Salute Israel for their tactics

Originally posted by bombers8
As regards your Mexican border analogy, you can rest assured that if the coyotes, or MS-13, or anyone else decided to escalate the action to include firing rockets over the border, our reaction would escalate rapidly, and not necessarily linearly.

My friend we have plenty of kidnappings that take place over the border, we have drugs coming over the border that kills our kids and adults on a daily basis. We still don't go and bomb entire countries, we go and put the fields on fire, we send in small forces to take out the drug cartels or we bring the guilty people to justice.


Believe me, you may have the support of people like George Bush , Condoleeza Rice, and all these other heads of state but they are not the ones that will have to live with the results of what will happen maybe not now, or 1 year later but these people that you remove now will be replaced by dozens more for each one you take out in this way . Your people have been very lucky so far and not many deaths on your side...this should be a message from someone higher then us to take your losses while they are low. All it will take is one lucky pot shot and hundreds could die in a minute if they hit a major city without warning. This is such a foolish plan your leaders are executing. Its a medieval plan in modern times gone wrong.


Pie

The attack on Lebanon has many reasons. The most obvious is the consistant unprovoled aggression of Hezbullah but that is a little nuicance. Hezbullah is eqivalent to jockage and therefore a small issue. The larger problem is the Iranian involvement which includes intelligence gathering, terrorist planning, assistance and support. Iran has created a fontline in Israel's backyard with the training, support and finance of Hezbullah which has grown into a sever case of Jockage in the last 6 years. Now Israel has taken out the Tinactin powder to resolve that problem. Problem is that Iran took over the command and Syrian army is assisting the supply of Hezbullah. It is now a matter of time bbefore this becomes a regional war. My guess is that the US, Uk and anyone who can understand the reprecussions of not ending this war with full victory on the side of the western world, will engage in this war.

Moreover it seems like Saudi Arabia is quietly supporting Israel - A saudi cleric issued a fatwa against Hezbullah and the government began speaking against Hezbullah.
Word in Israel is that the Saudis have intelligence that Iran wishes to control all oil rich lands that are considered Shiite or Alawi lands (Iraqi, Iranian and Saudi).

[edit on 22/7/06 by JudahMaccabbi]

Originally posted by bombers8
3 soldiers captured, plus one civilian kidnapped and murdered, plus countless Katushya's lobbed over the border with impugnity, plus a number of other soldiers killed.

I believe the rocket lobbing by Hezbulah started AFTER Israel started its campaign of murdering civilians. We know that Hezbulah captured 3 soldiers. SOLDIERS. Can you provide proof from an independent source that they captured and killed a civilian? Even if they killed one civilian which may not have even been a civilian it doesn't justify Israel murdering over 300 civilians in retaliation. After all this was not supported by the government. Israel's reign of terror over that region must be brought under control. They show absolutely no regard for human life and this is much of the reason why the problems exist the way they do today. The U.S. needs to cut off relations with this terrorist nation.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Originally posted by Indy
I hope the U.S. isn't dumb enough to come bail out Israel if they start sustaining heavy casualties. I'm sure the U.S. will but it would be foolish.

Even before they start sustaining light casualties we are bailing them out.

USA Expedites Precision-Guided Bombs to Israel
politics.abovetopsecret.com...

Pie

Has it ever occured to you that this is an additional reason to salute Israel. Israel is spending its money on purchasing weapons that can and will reduce civilian casulaties on both sides.
Hezbullah, Syria and Iran simply use weapons on civilains.

SO ONCE AGAIN - SALUTE ISRAEL!

Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
The attack on Lebanon has many reasons. The most obvious is the consistant unprovoled aggression of Hezbullah but that is a little nuicance. Hezbullah is eqivalent to jockage and therefore a small issue. The larger problem is the Iranian involvement which includes intelligence gathering, terrorist planning, assistance and support. Iran has created a fontline in Israel's backyard with the training, support and finance of Hezbullah which has grown into a sever case of Jockage in the last 6 years. Now Israel has taken out the Tinactin powder to resolve that problem. Problem is that Iran took over the command and Syrian army is assisting the supply of Hezbullah. It is now a matter of time bbefore this becomes a regional war. My guess is that the US, Uk and anyone who can understand the reprecussions of not ending this war with full victory on the side of the western world, will engage in this war.

Moreover it seems like Saudi Arabia is quietly supporting Israel - A saudi cleric issued a fatwa against Hezbullah and the government began speaking against Hezbullah.
Word in Israel is that the Saudis have intelligence that Iran wishes to control all oil rich lands that are considered Shiite or Alawi lands (Iraqi, Iranian and Saudi).

[edit on 22/7/06 by JudahMaccabbi]

I think you guys used DDT by accident and not only did you miss the JOCK ITCH you burnt your testicles instead. Im glad you look at all the kids that died as a fungus though. It shows a lot.

Who cares about Saudi Arabia? Its only the leaders. You have to worry about the PEOPLE that are in Saudi Arabia, not the king!!! Terrorists don't care what kings say.

The word in Israel should be that they are concerned about what they are doing is wrong and not worried about Iran, spies and oil. Killing people and still worried about what Iran is trying to do? No one sees Iran killing anyone right now. Just Israel and Hizbollah thats all. Iran gives weapons to Hizbollah its up to them if they use it or not. We give your country weapons and its your discretion on how you use them or not. No one can force you to use a weapon.

Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Israel is spending its money on purchasing weapons that can and will reduce civilian casulaties on both sides.

Ummmm, slight correction, Israel is spending the USA's money on this stuff.

.. and a question,

If the aim is to reduce civilian casualties why did it spend vast sums of money, (of whatever origin), to develop its nuclear, biological and chemical weapons - they're hardly civilian friendly are they?

Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Has it ever occured to you that this is an additional reason to salute Israel. Israel is spending its money on purchasing weapons that can and will reduce civilian casulaties on both sides.
Hezbullah, Syria and Iran simply use weapons on civilains.

SO ONCE AGAIN - SALUTE ISRAEL!

Salute Israel for murdering civilians. It doesn't matter how accurate the bombs are when Israel drops them where they want. You can have the most accurate bomb in the world but if you are aiming at an apartment building with civilians in it all you will be assured of is that you can accurately kill civilians. But go ahead and salute that.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
My friend we have plenty of kidnappings that take place over the border, we have drugs coming over the border that kills our kids and adults on a daily basis. We still don't go and bomb entire countries, we go and put the fields on fire, we send in small forces to take out the drug cartels or we bring the guilty people to justice

You're ignoring what I said about what would happen if MS-13 decided to lob rockets across the border.

And what you say about sending in small forces and bringing the guilty to justice is not true. They just run across the border and thumb their nose at us.

Originally posted by Indy

Originally posted by bombers8
3 soldiers captured, plus one civilian kidnapped and murdered, plus countless Katushya's lobbed over the border with impugnity, plus a number of other soldiers killed.

I believe the rocket lobbing by Hezbulah started AFTER Israel started its campaign of murdering civilians. We know that Hezbulah captured 3 soldiers. SOLDIERS. Can you provide proof from an independent source that they captured and killed a civilian? Even if they killed one civilian which may not have even been a civilian it doesn't justify Israel murdering over 300 civilians in retaliation. After all this was not supported by the government. Israel's reign of terror over that region must be brought under control. They show absolutely no regard for human life and this is much of the reason why the problems exist the way they do today. The U.S. needs to cut off relations with this terrorist nation.

actully,it didn't.......
the bombing of levanon Started AFTER hizballa kidnapped our two soldiers.
plus,they also attack our outposts (relly relly aggresivly)
than they started throwing in rockets at the northen cities....
and after that,the IDF decided it had nuff' ,and thank god they made that decision.
if we'de follow europien instruction ,we be dead,long time ago...

Originally posted by Indy
I believe the rocket lobbing by Hezbulah started AFTER Israel started its campaign of murdering civilians. We know that Hezbulah captured 3 soldiers. SOLDIERS. Can you provide proof from an independent source that they captured and killed a civilian?

It's only been all over the news:
Kidnapping

Execution

Even if they killed one civilian which may not have even been a civilian it doesn't justify Israel murdering over 300 civilians in retaliation.

Who told you that war should be fair?

After all this was not supported by the government.

It most certainly was. Go back and read the various discussions of Resolution 1559.

Originally posted by Jewish_hammer
actully,it didn't.......
the bombing of levanon Started AFTER hizballa kidnapped our two soldiers.
plus,they also attack our outposts (relly relly aggresivly)
than they started throwing in rockets at the northen cities....
and after that,the IDF decided it had nuff' ,and thank god they made that decision.
if we'de follow europien instruction ,we be dead,long time ago...

Your timeline is off. After the kidnap..Irsaeli soldiers went in with tanks trying to rescue the soldiers, the tank got blown up with an IED and all 4 Irsaeli soldiers inside died. Another soldier attempting to rescue the dead Irsaeli soldiers was also killed. The following day Irsael imposes a blockade and begins the airstrikes in Lebanon. Hizbollah begins returning fire. The outpost attack was the first captive Irsaeli soldier in Gaza who was cpl Shalit.

Originally posted by bombers8

Even if they killed one civilian which may not have even been a civilian it doesn't justify Israel murdering over 300 civilians in retaliation.

Who told you that war should be fair?

I hate to bring this up to you, but I can almost remember seeing Osama at one point discussing this in one of his videos. Justifying the murder of innocents to punish the "infidels." Is this where we have gotten to? I can more than understand, though it pains me to, the idea that innocents will die, but it seems to me that far too many are dying. Of course, as I have said many many times, I think there is a bit of wrongful action on both sides, and I take no side. However, I do see that Israel can include their reckless killing spree as one of their wrongful actions. After all, I do know that it is incredibly fair to look at both sides of an issue instead of marrying yourself to one side and defending it no matter what the cost.

Oh god change you avatar...George Bush in drag is too much for my delicate constituition to take.

Another Issue to SALUTE ISRAEL.

A Lebanese woman was from Marun A Ras was injured from gunfire to the chest. Her 28 YO son asked for Israeli assistance in treating her. Israel mobilized an ACP to bring her into Israel. According to the son, Hezbullah attacked the ACP which resulted in the delay of her treatment. Eventually the woman reached Ziv Hospital in Safed and is being treated. The son now fears to return to Lebanon.

Another interesting peice of NEWS.
Supposedly, the Palestinian factions in Gaza and the West Bank have decided upon a unilateral cease-fire with Israel hoping Israel would reciprocate.

Questions that arise is:
A- Will this actually occur?
B- Is it because of the HEAVY losses of militant they took in the last few days?
C- Do the Saudis (their financial backers) have anything to do with this.

On the latter, the Saudis have recently spoke against Hezbullah and issued a Fatwa against them. Saudis have a dislike for Shiites especially Iran. My guess is that this may be the issue behind the surprise statement by the Palestinians.

If that is true it is a slap in the face of Hezbullah. In Nabalus this week Hezbullah operatives have been captured by the IDF and 2 terror attacks averted in the last moment as a result of the capture.

Originally posted by ZMax
It seems the GWB is a whole lot smarter than most of the liberals on this forum.

For sure he has better grades than John Kerry when they were in the college:
76 vs 78...Funny that Kerry is the "smarter"...

What is your criteria for labeling somebody a liberal? Somebody who disagrees with you?

I am against warmongering for profit. Does that make me a liberal?
I am for the death penalty and against endless appeals. Does that make me a conservative?
I am for legalizing marijuana and psilocybin. Does that make me a liberal?
I am for private handgun ownership and killing criminals. Does that make me a conservative?

Originally posted by ZMax
It seems the GWB is a whole lot smarter than most of the liberals on this forum.

For sure he has better grades than John Kerry when they were in the college:
76 vs 78...Funny that Kerry is the "smarter"...

What is your criteria for labeling somebody a liberal? Somebody who disagrees with you?

I am against warmongering for profit. Does that make me a liberal?
I am for the death penalty and against endless appeals. Does that make me a conservative?
I am for legalizing marijuana and psilocybin. Does that make me a liberal?
I am for private handgun ownership and killing criminals. Does that make me a conservative?

The only way to bring change is to change those who hold power. Tired of the way the government is run? Vote out everybody who is currently in office and replace them with leaders who do not belong to the Republican or Democratic parties.

[edit on 7-22-2006 by groingrinder]

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Believe me, you may have the support of people like George Bush , Condoleeza Rice, and all these other heads of state but they are not the ones that will have to live with the results of what will happen maybe not now, or 1 year later but these people that you remove now will be replaced by dozens more for each one you take out in this way . Your people have been very lucky so far and not many deaths on your side...this should be a message from someone higher then us to take your losses while they are low. All it will take is one lucky pot shot and hundreds could die in a minute if they hit a major city without warning. This is such a foolish plan your leaders are executing. Its a medieval plan in modern times gone wrong.


Pie

And if you were a head of state, what would be your solution?

Originally posted by Langolier
I salute them.

I salute them for standing against against murderers.

I salute them for fighting on despite the hail of flak rained on them by their detractors.

I salute the Isrealis.

The fact is Hizbollah and Hamas are the guilty parties in provoking this past week's violence.

Isreal has retreated to the agreed upon 1967 boarders. They were attacked. They have the right to defend themselves; they have the right to bomb the positions that their enemies fire rockets from, even if those enemies deliberately hide amongst the innocent.

No one ever said fighting the good fight was easy or without its own tragedies. I blame the enemy, and the enemy is radical islam.

Yeah, finally!!!! Good post and good rebuttal!

When they started the bombing did the Lebanese really imagine that some of their children and women, and oldsters wouldn't die? Get real! You liberals are only so because someone is out in front taking care that your soft-bellied self isn't in the line of fire. Let some suicide bomber come to your local mall and take out several of your family members and see how concerned you'd be about where the retalitory bombs fell.

PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM!!!!

[edit on 22-7-2006 by curiousity]

Originally posted by niteboy82
I hate to bring this up to you, but I can almost remember seeing Osama at one point discussing this in one of his videos. Justifying the murder of innocents to punish the "infidels."

Nobody is advocating the murder of innocents here, and I think you know that.

When you go to war, you go to win. You don't go to trade slaps with pretty smelling gloves across each other's faces. You bring everything you have, and then some.

It's actually more humane that way - the quicker your opponent concedes, the less bloodshed necessary.

After all, I do know that it is incredibly fair to look at both sides of an issue instead of marrying yourself to one side and defending it no matter what the cost.

Well, that's good. When you find out what is incredibly fair about deliberately executing civilians and indiscriminately firing rockets over the border into a sovereign nation, let me know, OK?