North Korea fire missle. Lands 600km From Japan

Originally posted by lardo5150

For example, Bush has that Japanese PM over the other day. Went to Graceland and everything. I am sure they talked business in the days they were there. Why cant we do that with NK and Iran. Sure we dont agree with everything, but maybe us stepping up could really ease things a bit. I could be way off and if I am please explain to me why this would be a bad idea.

I wish it was that simple but it’s the mere fact that we have already done that once with NK and they turned their backs. However I strongly agree that we need to step up. Once again we will probably have to take care of world affairs on our own, or at least initiate actions. As for dealing with Russia and China, it is very difficult to talk with them because they are defensive and sensitive countries. If you were to try and push them into something they will just become defensive and not want to take part in things.

Good grief, make all this stuff stop! Can we just gather all the psychos, and the people who drive them, round them up, make them drop their pants and we get to shoot them in the ass with paintballs until we feel relief.

Troy

North Korea have 4 others missiles on launchpad. No links, i didn't search. I just heard this on news in Toronto.

abcnews.go.com...

[edit on 5-7-2006 by Vitchilo]

It ain't over yet
North Korea Has Three to Five More Missiles on Launch Pads

[edit on 7/5/2006 by aecreate]

I just got this breaking news email...

And just like I said earlier in this post...

NK will take sanctions as an "act of war"...

This is what I just received via CNN Breaking news email:

-Japanese media says North Korea's envoy to the United Nations has threatened "all-out countermeasures" in case of sanctions-

Did the security counsil decide on sanctions yet?

Is this just more brinksmanship?

And NK have his troops on the border. They could say that any sanctions against them will lead to an attack by them (they already did) against South Korea. That would very be UGLY. But it is possible??

news.bbc.co.uk...

They say they'll continue launching missiles and if pression is on them, they'll take STRONGER PHYSICAL ACTION.

[edit on 6-7-2006 by Vitchilo]

Wow, lot of debate here.

Two things:

Firstly, a few people mentioned that "there were no warnings". I'd like to ask as to how the media knew all about these launches before they happened?

Secondly, look at this from another angle:

The propaganda machine has worked well as most people believe Kim Jong is a madman. What's this based on? Mass killings or propaganda?

If NK was UK would this reaction be taking place? Probably not.

As I mentioned on another thread; when Richard Branson was ballooning around the world, there were many countries who wouldn't let Branson fly over their land due to security reasons etc. When Branson asked if he could fly over NK (while he was heading towards NK, ie real time), Kim Jong said "no worries - go for it". If he's a madman and a threat to the world, why would he say "no worries" - it doesn't make sense.

From what I've read, the propoganda machine has done well to label him and to convince the masses that he's a "madman". To date, I've seen no evidence whatsoever that he's a madman so unless someone can point me to some information (not propaganda) that proves he's a madman, I'm going to classify him the same as most of the other politicians of the world - spin-doctors.

Cheers

JS


[edit on 6-7-2006 by jumpspace]

These North koreans are some crazy people! What is going on? well here comes ww3 get your duct tape ready for your windows. Good thing I bought alot of peanut butter.

If you think of NK as a little kid, they just seem to be crying for attention in my opinion. If you think of NK as a bigger kid, they may not be satisfied until they get their toy missile to stay up long enough. Then, in my opinion, they may feel like one of the big kids on the block. They'll just have all of their neighbors up in arms ready to burn down their house by that time. Just how do you make or encourage NK to drop their nuclear program? That is a good question. I don't know anyone who really wants a lot of war and destruction. That seems to be a lose lose proposition. NK wants to see what it can get by acting up. Hopefully, NK will eventually come to their senses and realize firing missiles is not going to help their cause.

Why can't we all just get along? Everyone could be prosperous and happy if all of our economies were working and trading together. Perhaps someone needs to suggest to NK something that can make their nation look proud instead of firing up missiles that go nowhere. Perhaps NK could declare an independence day of their own and invite reporters to film a terrific fireworks display using real fireworks and proclaim this to be the mother of all fireworks display. They could invite tourists and gain money from tourism. my two cents rant

Is he a madman?
Well he certainly seems to run his country like one.
Look at the difference between SK and NK. Which one is happier and doing better?
Here we have a perfect example of how things go better, if the country is not run in a war like state.
I think he's absolutely crazy and stupid for running the country this way, he's acting like a kid that thinks everyones out to get him.

Originally posted by jumpspace
Wow, lot of debate here.

Two things:

Firstly, a few people mentioned that "there were no warnings". I'd like to ask as to how the media knew all about these launches before they happened?

Secondly, look at this from another angle:

As I mentioned on another thread; when Richard Branson was ballooning around the world, there were many countries who wouldn't let Branson fly over their land due to security reasons etc. When Branson asked if he could fly over NK (while he was heading towards NK, ie real time), Kim Jong said "no worries - go for it". If he's a madman and a threat to the world, why would he say "no worries" - it doesn't make sense.

1. - Information like this is usually leaked to the media on purpose to create hype. How else are you gonna make the world know what you're doing. Its not like they were trying to be secretive about it.

2. - Governments keep weapons of that nature in underground bunkers. I'm sure some dude in a blimp wouldnt pose much of a security risk. They would know where is at all times when flying over.

N Korea claims that they have missiles that can reach 10,000 miles... Whats our best guess on the validity of this claim? Last time I heard they could hardly hit Japan, but if they can actually hit 10,000 miles I'm legitimately worried. Its time to take these fanatics out.

Do you have a quote and a link for the 10000 mile speculation?

Thanks

Cant Sleep so am turning on CNN now

Can they donkey-cart a nuke or two into SK and hit US bases? That's probably a bigger threat than a 10,000 mile ICBM delivery from their "big dong" that may or may not exist or work.

Look like the US is going to have a 2nd chance trying its anti-rocket system guys:

New Taepodong 2 Missile

If this one doesn't break, lets see where this missile is going to end up, in the sea, or onto foreign soil.

[edit on 6-7-2006 by Mammoth]

T0by:

>Well, he seems to be running his country like one?

OK, then point me to the information you're speaking about and I'll take a read...and please, no propoganda articles

Zenem:

>I'm sure some dude in a blimp wouldn't pose much of a security risk.

That's what I believe also, however Russia's and China's worries would be that he had high zoom camera's etc. Russia and China have far more capabilities to hide installations and track balloons yet they "insisted" that he not fly over. The way I see it, if you've got nothing to hide and you're "open" (like Kim Jong was) then let Branson fly over.

Like I said, something's fishy about this whole "madman" tag. Everyone seems to be accepting this via "news streams" without questioning it.

He *may* be a madman, however like I said before, I've seen no proof yet.

Cheers

JS

Yip, I completely agree.

I bet there are probably special forces in the area and no doubt spy satellites have been diverted to NK.

Does anyone know the location of where the missiles are being launched from?

I have said my thoughts and observations of the matter already, but some posters have talked of Japan taking the lead in a any military action on North Korea.

I would say this: The Korean Penninsula has a long memory of the Japanese brutal occupation of all of Korea pre-WW2 to 1945.

I can tell you, that whether North Koreans support Kim or not, they will resist at their most hardest against any Japanese military action, it would raise too many ghosts, too many horrible memories.

I would say also that South Korea would not like it either, they were occupied by the Japanese too remember, and would not like seeing Japanese forces on North Korea.....South Korea may think Japan will try to take Korea again......South Korean opinion seeing North Korea invaded by Japanese forces.....it could swing North Korea's way.

South Korea and Japan have tensions already, over disputed islands.

China will CERTAINLY not like it. Chinese-Japanese tension are high......Chinese outrage at the Japanese rape of Nanjing still high.....which Japan calls "The Chinese incident" in reference to it's history, while it's PM pays tribute to Japanese war criminals in China and Korea at a shrine to the dead....China was occupied by Japan too.

Both South Korea and China have condemned China for this Japanese dismissal of history.


In all, it would be messy.....and that's without US involvement which would have bad blood too.


Japan would have to break it's Pacifist stance.....indeed, a couple of hundred of Japanese troops went to Iraq, but we are talking hundreds of thousands if it is not to be a token force alongside say, US troops.

Could take Japan years to work out.

It would be vey, very, messy indeed and controversial if it happened.

Originally posted by Zenem
Does anyone know the location of where the missiles are being launched from?

Here's a Satellite image of one of them:

www.digitalglobe.com...

You will get a picture of Las Vegas first, but fear not, this is not a secret North Korean missile base (Or......is......it?)

Simply click on the next image, to image 2, you will get a picture of a place called No Dong, and a T-2 Missile there.

Thanks for the link