Behold a White Horse

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
You are not understanding, that to me, implys that GOD does not want us to fight Wars,

I follow ya so far...

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
Love does not always win,

"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away." - 1 Corinthians 13:8

"Because of the LORD's great love we are not consumed, for his compassions never fail." - Lamentations 3:22

"I will maintain my love to him forever, and my covenant with him will never fail." - Psalm 89:28

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
sometimes Force and War is necissary.

"For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does." - 2 Corinthians 10:3

"Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord." - Hebrews 12:14

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
Now the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not fear or be dismayed. Take all the people of war with you and arise, go up to Ai; see, I have given into your hand the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land.

There is more to that story. See here Isaiah 42:25:

"So he poured out on them his burning anger,
the violence of war.
It enveloped them in flames, yet they did not understand;
it consumed them, but they did not take it to heart."

Now do you see why Christ had come with this message of love?

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
The LORD is Vengeful and Jealous, He orders wars. He is fighting a War between Heaven and Hell right now, with Angels and Demons. I dont need to know all the "Love your neighbor" Though its relevent, its not what I was saying. Thanks

Dark

I totally agree there is a spiritual war to bring the hearts and spirits of man from evil to good. If this was the war you were speaking of then that's certainly true per both your and my quotes. But, in physical war, the Bible has the opposite to say about it.

[edit on 15-9-2006 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
Make Love Not War

Leviticus 19:18
"'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."

Zechariah 8:17
"do not plot evil against your neighbor, and do not love to swear falsely. I hate all this," declares the LORD."

Matthew 5:43-44
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
And be ready for I AM coming.

Revelation 22:7
"Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book."

Revelation 22:12
"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
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Question...where in the Good Book does it say that? I would like to know

See above

Matthew 5:43-44
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"

It says Love them and Pray for them, it says nothing about not going to War with them. It also says Hate your Enemy. Its a Love/Hate relationship I suppose.

So Again please show me where the LORD said "Make Love Not War " You have not convinced me of anything yet. Though I am not saying that you arent right Saint, but those are pretty self explanetory, nowhere do any of those verses say "Make Love Not War, And be ready for I AM coming." Because that sounds like it was added by someone speaking FOR the LORD, not from him or anywhere in the Bible.

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

"Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many."

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

I didnt find that in the Bible by the way, already searched the Electronic.

Dark


Well, I have to say we both have some very valid points, shall we end this small side talk on good terms? I agree you are right, but wars are fought regardless, God will not Judge Nations, but individuals but not for participating in Wars, but for their individual actions during those times of war. Please correct me if I am wrong.





[edit on 15-9-2006 by Dark_Seraph]

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
It says Love them and Pray for them, it says nothing about not going to War with them.

Question! How do you love and pray for someone while kililng them?

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
It also says Hate your Enemy. Its a Love/Hate relationship I suppose.

Where? And how does that cancel out what Christ said?

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
So Again please show me where the LORD said "Make Love Not War " You have not convinced me of anything yet.

You did not ask me to convince you. You asked me to show you where. I showed you where it says to make love and not war in many verses in this and the following post.

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
Though I am not saying that you arent right Saint, but those are pretty self explanetory, nowhere do any of those verses say "Make Love Not War, And be ready for I AM coming." Because that sounds like it was added by someone speaking FOR the LORD, not from him or anywhere in the Bible.

I quoted the Bible, and I've talked to Him. My advice is that if you have any doubts about what is written then to ask Him. This his how I've received validation from both sources. What source have you to say that these two things were added?

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

"Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many."

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Totally agree.

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
I didnt find that in the Bible by the way, already searched the Electronic.

Boo-ya

Dark

It doesn't matter how you found it, it only matters where it came from.

Do you agree that a person is only as good as their word? Because I seem to remember a bet...

[edit on 15-9-2006 by saint4God]

quote: Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
It says Love them and Pray for them, it says nothing about not going to War with them.


Question! How do you love and pray for someone while kililng them?

ANSWER:
Matthew 5:43-44
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"



quote: Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
It also says Hate your Enemy. Its a Love/Hate relationship I suppose.


Where? And how does that cancel out what Christ said?

ANSWER: Same Verse as above. It doesnt cancel anything, GOD said it. Christ, GOD, and the HOLY SPIRIT are the same entity.

quote: Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
So Again please show me where the LORD said "Make Love Not War " You have not convinced me of anything yet.


You did not ask me to convince you. You asked me to show you where. I showed you where it says to make love and not war in many verses in this and the following post.

Please post those Verses alone in another post after this one, so that I can see them, you and I have exchanged many.

quote: Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
Though I am not saying that you arent right Saint, but those are pretty self explanetory, nowhere do any of those verses say "Make Love Not War, And be ready for I AM coming." Because that sounds like it was added by someone speaking FOR the LORD, not from him or anywhere in the Bible.


I quoted the Bible, and I've talked to Him. My advice is that if you have any doubts about what is written then to ask Him. This his how I've received validation from both sources. What source have you to say that these two things were added?

Lets see, here are a couple of verses you threw into the mix trying to explain why we should not go to war with our enemies.

Leviticus 19:18
"'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."

This one could be interpreted as one of your Country men, religios men, or just your neighbor down the street. How do you Interpret this?

Matthew 5:43-44
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"

This was your verse you put up. How do you hate someone and love them? Thats exactly what I asked up there and you treated me like a crazy?It says Love them and Pray for them, it says nothing about not going to War with them. Question! How do you love and pray for someone while kililng them?

See?

Make Love Not War
And be ready for I AM coming.

This is what im talking about, I know HE is coming, but why did she put Make Love not War? I understand your Revalation Verses perfectly well, scariest book known to man. Man was created in GODs image, We have the Spirit of GOD in us, GOD wages war, Man wages war. Is it right? No, but is it necessary? Yes, sometimes it is.

Dark

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
Make Love Not War
And be ready for I AM coming.

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Question...where in the Good Book does it say that? I would like to know because I am pretty sure that God has been apart of many Wars... He did help David Kill Goliath, he did destroy Sodem and Gamora (Im sorry if my spellings are wrong, I dont have my Bible here in front of me ATM). I am not attacking your beliefs, but I would like this clarified from you, your explination of that. When did GOD ever say that?! Because I will bet my life and soul that he never ever did. Is it something you made up? Give me a verse, and I will appologize. This isnt an attack, I know that everyone is asking you questions on this. If anyone else can answer this for her, please feel free to do so

V/R
Dark

Now as far as you getting my soul and whatnot, you still havent shown me the verse Queen got "Make Love Not War, And be ready for I AM coming."

That sure sounds like she must have pulled it out of the Bible, because she isnt GOD, and can't possibly have the tenacity to speak for him unless she is a Prophet, and by what I have read from her posts thus far, she is not...That my friend is why I added the False Prophets Verses in there. Got me?

Dark

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
Now as far as you getting my soul and whatnot,

WHOA HEY! NO, I DID NOT SAY ME GETTING YOUR SOUL AT ALL! There's nothing I possibly do to help it by being in its charge. I cannot save it, I cannot give it eternal life, I cannot even give it peace. Though I would advice caution against putting such high stakes gambling upon it, speaking from experience. Forever is a long time.

can you kindly willingly turn the prize over to the One who said these things?

I am not the One, nor did I say these things -_-. I was quoting God.

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
you still havent shown me the verse Queen got "Make Love Not War, And be ready for I AM coming."

That sure sounds like she must have pulled it out of the Bible, because she isnt GOD, and can't possibly have the tenacity to speak for him unless she is a Prophet, and by what I have read from her posts thus far, she is not...That my friend is why I added the False Prophets Verses in there. Got me?

Dark

Understood and apologize for the confusion. When you said "I AM" I thought you were talking about the I AM of the Bible, since that is the title God uses for himself. Thank you for clarifying and shall sit and zippit if I'm not requested further.

Over to Queenie for her response then...

[edit on 15-9-2006 by saint4God]

Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

1-- For every matter there is an appointed time, even a time for every pursuit under the heavens:

2-- A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to uproot;

3-- a time to slay, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4-- a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5-- a time to throw away stones, and a time to gather stones; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6-- a time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to throw away;

7-- a time to tear, and a time to sew; a time to be silent, and a time to speak;

8-- a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for battle, and a time for peace.

Heh, Not a problem Brother, Thanks for the appology Your a good man, Im not always very clear when I try and put things to Forum. Good discussion though. Keep it up, glad it didnt turn into a flame war, I think we handled it pretty well.

To Annie n her 'moonies' of madness !

have withdrawn my personal 'blessing' from Annie, please do not bother me with your/Annie madness anymore, shakes the 'dust' from my feet as I move on !
[ as one sows, so shall they reap ! ]

Infinity

So she was able to distance herself from you after all.

If you try hard enough, you can accomplish anything.

Even when you think you know
What God it is you serve
And dividing lines you smugly draw
It is God that fires your nerve

There is but one who rules us all
Whether we like the idea or not
Just when you think you've won
You feel the wheel remake your pot

So laugh and scorn and judge me false
It's God who will have the last laugh
Not me or you or your laws or eyes
But the God (All AH) and right hand staff

The pony-boys are coming, boys
Better don your worldly tin armor
To fight against what you can't beat
While I Rapunzel watch from the tower

And when it's over we'll all sit down
together at the wedding feast
His banner over the world is LOVE!
When beauty weds beloved beast!

(All = ALL of US & AH = Anael Heliel this is *God Is Real*)

[edit on 1/16/2007 by queenannie38]

The Birth of Babalon

What is the tumult among the stars
that have shone so still till now?
What are the furrows of pain and wrath
upon the immortal brow?

Why is the face of God turned grey
and his angels all grown white?
What is the terrible ruby star
that burns down the crimson night?

What is the beauty that flames so bright
athwart the awful dawn?
She has taken flesh, she is come to judge
the thrones ye rule upon.

Quail ye kings for an end is come
in the birth of BABALON.

I have walked three dreadful nights away
in halls beyond despair,
I have given marrow and tears and sweat
and blood to make her fair.

I have lain my love and smashed my heart
and filled her cup with blood,
That blood might flow from the loins of woe
to the cup of brotherhood.

The cities reel in the shout of steel
where the sword of war is drawn.
Sing ye saints for the day is come
in the birth of BABALON.

Now God has called for his judgment book
and seen his name therein
And the grace of God and the guilt of God
have spelt it out as sin

His bloody priests have clutched his robes
and stained his linen gown
And his victims swarm from his broken hell
to drag his kingdom down.

O popes and kings and the little gods
are sick and sad and wan
To see the crimson star that bursts
like blood upon the dawn

While trumpets sound and stars rejoice
at the birth of BABALON.

BABALON is too beautiful
for sight of mortal eyes
She has hidden her loveliness away
in lonely midnight skies,

She has clothed her beauty in robes of sin
and pledged her heart to swine
And loving and giving all she has
brewed for saints immortal wine.

But now the darkness is riven through
and the robes of sin are gone,
And naked she stands as a terrible blade
and a flame and a splendid song

Naked in radiant mortal flesh
at the Birth of BABALON.

She is come new born as a mortal maid
forgetting her high estate,
She has opened her arms to pain and death
and dared the doom of fate,

And death and hell are at her back,
but her eyes are bright with life,
Her heart is high and her sword is strong
to meet the deadly strife,

Her voice is sure as the judgemnt trump
to crack the house of wrong,
Though walls are high and stone is hard
and the rule of hell was long

The gates shall fall and the irons break
in the Birth of BABALON.

Her mouth is red and her breasts are fair
and her loins are full of fire,
And her lust is strong as a man is strong
in the heat of her desire,

And her whoredom is holy as virtue is foul
beneath the holy sky,
And her kisses will wanton the world away
in passion that shall not die.

Ye shall laugh and love and follow her dance
when the wrath of God is gone
And dream no more of hell and hate
in the Birth of BABALON.

[© JWP and LAM]

You don't know where I live , do you?
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tee hee that's the best line so far......eeeeeeehahahahahaha

Originally posted by Dark_Seraph
Heh, Not a problem Brother, Thanks for the appology

Your a good man, Im not always very clear when I try and put things to Forum.

Good discussion though. Keep it up, glad it didnt turn into a flame war, I think we handled it pretty well.

Well Dark, Sum it up in one word..........fanatic. I really feel sorry for Queenie,
perhaps a different prescription would help. IMO

Why feel sorry for me? I have nothing that even causes me anxiety - nothing unknown unless I choose not to know. If I ask, I am told - the truth straight from God - over dinner. Can you say the same? Does God eat dinner at your house with you?

Oh...never mind...I forgot you guys are incognito. Too bad. God is more fun than anyone I've ever known.

BTW - I don't take Rx. When your mind is balanced and at-ease, the body has no dis-ease.

[edit on 1/18/2007 by queenannie38]

Hello Annie how are ya?

I have to admit that I've not read through all of the thread (the bulk of the middle part mostly) nor followed it much since I originally posted, but...

Have you had a change of heart or interpretation wrt your vision [is 'vision' accurate here] of a world-wide calamity that was supposed to happen, if memory serves, in six months [from your post in June of last year]?

I see you guys are arguing many things now (these topics always do that don't they lol) and I may have missed the update somewhere in the malay.

*not pickin' on ya here Annie. I remember being caught off guard by what you 'saw' and posted and was curious what your thoughts on this are now in hindsight. Anybody else posts a 'vision' of the future like yours and I probably, for right or wrong, wouldn't give it a second thought... but it was you so I'm intriqued... still.

Perhaps what you 'saw' was a personal message for you and not a picture of what's to come for us all, maybe? Anywho... what are your thoughts now Annie?


Thanks ma'am and good to 'see' ya... I do love your posts.

Regards,
~Rob

Hi Rob!

Good to 'see' ya, too!

No...the thing is, i (we) changed our mind.
I softened up.
It is a woman's perogative to change her mind, isn't it?



Truth be told i've learned somewhat to control my temper. Still haven't mastered it yet...but i think the natural disasters, at least, are somewhat more under control.

Originally posted by queenannie38
Hi Rob!

Good to 'see' ya, too!

No...the thing is, i (we) changed our mind.
I softened up.
It is a woman's perogative to change her mind, isn't it?

I um (me) have one of those woman things... you aint gotta tell me.

Truth be told i've learned somewhat to control my temper. Still haven't mastered it yet...but i think the natural disasters, at least, are somewhat more under control.

Well I'm as confused as I was before but I feel better knowing you're good.

Enjoy your weekend.

Originally posted by queenannie38
I don't usually speak so boldly, but to you, in the present, I don't mind saying, straight up, that I know I have read the bible more than you can even know--more times than I could count--so much that my mind echoes with the spirit's words every minute I'm awake--and then I dream about things I cannot conceive--and as far as what you think you know--what you know comes from men who go to school to be taught by men about God. I have been taught by the MASTER.

Amen!


[edit on 5-11-2007 by Sunnydays]

why is her-highness now riding a 'pale-horse'??? have you been 'hanging-out' with that vicious/Veraa/Vampire??? well Penelopeee, what happened to your 'White-Horse'???

hohohoho, saint~Nicholas is~coming
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