The Truth part 2

Originally posted by L1ghtSeekeR
Its funny how some people have to make these big negative statements to get their point across. What they are really after is the approval that they get from others when they resort to negativity.

But I don't blame them for that. They can only do what their mind commands them to do. Wether it be positive or negative, their psychology simply works that way.

But I do hope you guys find the self-approval you need instead of trying to impress us with your negativity. It will make your life a lot easier and happier too when you realize that the real enemy isn't out here, its right there inside your head.

Absolute truth. It is hard to really become mad at SP's when they talk badly about positive groups because you know it is all in their head and their negative attitude is a fabrication of past events that they didn't handle.

[edit on 15-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Originally posted by L1ghtSeekeR
Its funny how some people have to make these big negative statements to get their point across. What they are really after is the approval that they get from others when they resort to negativity.

But I don't blame them for that. They can only do what their mind commands them to do. Wether it be positive or negative, their psychology simply works that way.

But I do hope you guys find the self-approval you need instead of trying to impress us with your negativity. It will make your life a lot easier and happier too when you realize that the real enemy isn't out here, its right there inside your head.

I don't need approval, I just think this one of the most screwed up and hard to believe cults around.

It's amazing.

He wants us to believe we're aliens trapped on this planet because some alien bombed us on a volcano... COME ON...

Oh, and the fact that L. Ron was quoted as saying "Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion." and that he was a science FICTION writer, pretty much sums it up.

Either way, if it is true, this is one hell of a prison. I bet it's the only planet with apple pie, macaroni and cheese, and meatballs.


[edit on 16-6-2006 by Eteric Rice]

"Your claims of horrible allegations are a result of your need, and your group of Suppressive persons, to keep others down at all and any cost. Lies, deceit, and scandal are the tools in your bag, and people like you have been fighting from your blackened souls to stop Dianetics and Scientology since it was first invented.

Your screams are heard but will not last for the time is coming for all you SP's to own up to your high crimes with responsibility and ethics.

Do not be affected by these shady characters and their goal of preventing humanity to rise above the ashes. They will not succeed, Scientology will.

Browse or Buy the book "The Scientology Handbook" and you will see for yourself the information is correct, true, and appliable to any and all situations you will encounter in life to live a full, happy, knowledgable, and successful existance."
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"Your screams are heard but will not last for the time is coming for all you SP's to own up to your high crimes with responsibility and ethics."

It seems to me scientologists have committed more crimes again'st humanity then I have as for ethics your the last person i need a lecture from. I mean after all you consider me an 'ant'.

"Do not be affected by these shady characters and their goal of preventing humanity to rise above the ashes. They will not succeed, Scientology will."

The only shady character here is you. You cannot even own up to the crimes your religeos cult has committed. You place scientology a cult made by an old drug addict and wife beater/abusive father above humanity talk about a superiority complex.

"Browse or Buy the book "The Scientology Handbook" and you will see for yourself the information is correct, true, and appliable to any and all situations you will encounter in life to live a full, happy, knowledgable, and successful existance."

You know it's not that i can't afford to be a scientologist all the way it's just i know how to smell BS and scientology is like a 10 on my BS meter. Besides I have discovered my secret to success through my own means. I just so happen to live a happy and full existence with out the need of an extremist totalitarian attitude.

"Its funny how some people have to make these big negative statements to get their point across. What they are really after is the approval that they get from others when they resort to negativity.

But I don't blame them for that. They can only do what their mind commands them to do. Wether it be positive or negative, their psychology simply works that way.

But I do hope you guys find the self-approval you need instead of trying to impress us with your negativity. It will make your life a lot easier and happier too when you realize that the real enemy isn't out here, its right there inside your head."

I'm not resorting to being negative I am giving as much factual information I can. Reports from all around the world on the crimes of scientology.

the real enemy are those that use psychological warfare and brainwashing to get people to give them money The church of scientology being one of those 'enemies'. I will not stand by and watch people like them hurt people mentally, physically and financially.

The truth is out there somewhere but I am 100% sure that it is not the deluded scientologists who have it nor their demented founder L. Ron Hubbard.
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An interesting fact about hubbard is that even after he created the church he still practiced Satanism. He went so far after Crowleys death to put on a cape and claim he himself was the prince of darkness. (link is post before last)

Ironic how scientologists would accuse me of being a negative influence when Their leader tried to abort his son with a coat hangar at 6 and a half months. Or the fact he used to beat his wife and kids due to his "volcanic temper".

His son exposed him long ago I suggest you look up Ron DeWolf (L Ron jr.) he certainly had a lot to say about his dad not good things mind you.
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Those scientologists out there have been deceived and brainwashed. You have been wrong done by and you don't even know it. It puzzles me to this day how gullable and naive people can be even in the age of information.

Oh well scientology as an organization will be outlawed in north america i am sure following suit with other nations overseas. Scientologists aren't the only ones with the resources to get what they want that all i have to say about that.

Dear Malpractice,


Thank you for misquoting LightSeeker, lying, and spreading deceit that other's have created mixed in with some of your own. I am surprised people like you can function in society and that 2 out of 10 people will follow an insane anti-social personality. The day Scientology is outlawed is the day, you the SP ant, gets stepped on.

You can not debate me on the facts that Scientology works completely. You yourself can't even buy a book at the bookstore. Can't complete a cycle of action can you?

The only people who get hurt by Scientology "emotionally, mentally, and financially" are SUPPRESSIVE PEOPLE!! Suppressiv people, or SP's, get angry and upset and break things when they get better! This is why they create those stupid websites, this is why they are such losers. SP's are true losers.

Get out of here with your nonsense.



Despite this negativity from Malpractice and the confusion of others, my message is strong: buy a book, read it, and come back and tell me what you think of it and if it works. Let's open up some discussion.

[edit on 16-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Originally posted by jaguarmike

You can not debate me on the facts that Scientology works completely. You yourself can't even buy a book at the bookstore. Can't complete a cycle of action can you?

The only people who get hurt by Scientology "emotionally, mentally, and financially" are SUPPRESSIVE PEOPLE!! Suppressiv people, or SP's, get angry and upset and break things when they get better! This is why they create those stupid websites, this is why they are such losers. SP's are true losers.

Get out of here with your nonsense.



Despite this negativity from Malpractice and the confusion of others, my message is strong: buy a book, read it, and come back and tell me what you think of it and if it works. Let's open up some discussion.

[edit on 16-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

I don't think his problem is that he can't buy a book, I just think he's smart enough to not support your "cult."

Scientology is a cult, a scam, and one of the biggest cults in the United States. You Jaguar, are just an example to us as to how well they can brainwash someone and turn them into a drone. You're making a fool of yourself, and you can't even see it.

Basically, this is what we see from you.

1. Buy this book and you'll see! (support your cult)
2. If you don't agree with me you're a SP ant! (ignorance)
3. I hold the only truth in the universe and everything else is a lie! (more ignorance)

You're brainwashed sir. You think of yourself as greater than everyone else here. You lack humility.

So, get out of here with your worthless nonsense. You're not helping anyone in the UFO field, you're just trying to further your own means by recruiting people. And since you get money for it, you're even worse off.

Also, I wanted to add this.

www.lisamcpherson.org...

So this means besides being a scamming, brainwashing cult, they're possibly murderers.

[edit on 16-6-2006 by Eteric Rice]

All I can say is that everyone belongs to some form of cult or society. Although one does his best to lead a singular, independent life we are all confined within the realms of law and order. Everyone is in some form or another brainwashed or controlled, as without these boundaries we wouldnt be able to function within society.

Jaguarmike you make some interesting claims. I for one predominantly agree with some of your objective statements (aliens exist, different levels of spiritual beings).

While his method of attaining these ideologies is different to mine and many others, this is not to say it should be ridiculed and ignored. True knowledge is gained when you accept what everyone has to say, then formulate your own opinion.


[edit on 16-6-2006 by kolo_heights]

[edit on 16-6-2006 by kolo_heights]

" don't think his problem is that he can't buy a book, I just think he's smart enough to not support your "cult."

Scientology is a cult, a scam, and one of the biggest cults in the United States. You Jaguar, are just an example to us as to how well they can brainwash someone and turn them into a drone. You're making a fool of yourself, and you can't even see it.

Basically, this is what we see from you.

1. Buy this book and you'll see! (support your cult)
2. If you don't agree with me you're a SP ant! (ignorance)
3. I hold the only truth in the universe and everything else is a lie! (more ignorance)

You're brainwashed sir. You think of yourself as greater than everyone else here. You lack humility.

So, get out of here with your worthless nonsense. You're not helping anyone in the UFO field, you're just trying to further your own means by recruiting people. And since you get money for it, you're even worse off.

Also, I wanted to add this.

www.lisamcpherson.org...

So this means besides being a scamming, brainwashing cult, they're possibly murderers."

Rice I could not have said it better myself honestly...


If you want to spread your word and your cult go promote it's egotistical,totalitarian,un-ethical....brainwashing in the religeon forum where I am sure you will meet many scientologists who share your lack of moral integrity.

I unlike some people here will not stand by and watch as you spread lies and brag up an extremist cult. If I had to rank scientology with another group that shares the views of your cult it is infact the Adolf hitler and his Nazi's who shared the view that those who weren't good enough deserved to be quashed.

I will not be quashed by a brainwashed peon who's own lack of mental strength prevents him from seeing reality.

Apologies to get caught up in logistics but what exactly do you define as reality then?

While Scientology may subsequently be a vicious, exploitative concept, do you expect "the truth" to be packaged in a user-friendly, moral form?

What I'm trying to say is that while Scientology in itself may be corrupt, what it points to may be closer to the truth then we know.

Malpractice,

Brainwashed? I have removed the brainwashing that normal people go through via the internet, media, human religions, and the government throughout their lives. No reality? I have more reality than most people because of the knowledge I have gained- 97 1/2% of the population can be just like me and even ten times better (except for Suppressives... the 2 1/2%). Need to show humility? No time for useless human emotion pal- time is ticking and my game is big.

Scientology works, I have used it, it is GOLDEN.

You are a Suppressive Person. You must live a horrible existance- when was the last time you felt happiness? When was the last time you felt love? When was the last time you did something for other people? Ask yourself those questions, I know you come up with blanks. You come up with blanks becaue you view life as everyone drowning in a pool of water... with you needing to climb up on top of the masses so they drown and not you. You're the scum of the planet, and you are unable to see it. I feel empathy for you, but I have to say with the track record of people like you throughout history doing horrible and vile things, it is a struggle to show empathy.

Genghis Khan, Ivan the Terrible, countless government's in history, Stalin, Hitler, Grey aliens... all SP/PTS. This is just in the last flash in the pan of true history... it goes back longer than you would expect.

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Everyone else:

Do not listen to people against Scientology, there is a reason they are against it, and I have explained earlier in my post before any negativity started, defined as Suppressive Persons. They are scum of the earth, and are the one's like Hitler... funny how he compares myself and my group as "Nazi's." The horrible part about Suppressive People is they can't see it! They believe they are sane, and everyone else on the planet is insane. If you just wondered if you might be suppressive, don't worry, you are not. Self-criticism is a trait Suppressives cannot do. Doctor, All your allegations are lies, and you and people like you will never win by keeping humanity down, especially while i'm on this planet. Your war was over before it even started.


Buy the book, "The Scientology Handbook" and debate me on the facts of Scientology. The information is fact and works in life- you will see for yourself. Scientology technology WORKS.

Go to your local Church of Scientology and talk to the people there about informing you of what Scientology can do for you.





[edit on 16-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Originally posted by jaguarmike

Do not listen to people against Scientology, there is a reason they are against it, and I have explained earlier in my post before any negativity started, defined as Suppressive Persons. They are scum of the earth, and are the one's like Hitler... funny how he compares myself and my group as "Nazi's." The horrible part about Suppressive People is they can't see it! They believe they are sane, and everyone else on the planet is insane. If you just wondered if you might be suppressive, don't worry, you are not. Self-criticism is a trait Suppressives cannot do. Doctor, All your allegations are lies, and you and people like you will never win by keeping humanity down, especially while i'm on this planet. Your war was over before it even started.


Buy the book, "The Scientology Handbook" and debate me on the facts of Scientology. The information is fact and works in life- you will see for yourself. Scientology technology WORKS.

Go to your local Church of Scientology and talk to the people there about informing you of what Scientology can do for you.





[edit on 16-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Dude, I am beginning to think you are joking around. You cannot really believe the garbage that you are saying! It's amazing in this day and age how people can still be brainwashed. You jaguar- are brainwashed. PERIOD.

Skepticism is a form of brainwashing aswell

It's hard to challenge an idea, let alone a belief...

[edit on 16-6-2006 by kolo_heights]

Originally posted by jaguarmike
Do not listen to people against Scientology, there is a reason they are against it, and I have explained earlier in my post before any negativity started, defined as Suppressive Persons.
Buy the book, "The Scientology Handbook" and debate me on the facts of Scientology. The information is fact and works in life- you will see for yourself. Scientology technology WORKS.

Go to your local Church of Scientology and talk to the people there about informing you of what Scientology can do for you.
[edit on 16-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Is this not advertisement???? I find it hard to believe ATS would allow a member to advertise, for a profit, their religion/cult/whatever.

"What I'm trying to say is that while Scientology in itself may be corrupt, what it points to may be closer to the truth then we know."

No it's not close to any truth it was made simply to be a get rich quick scheme that is the reality of scientology. Skepticism is not a form of brain washing...You have to be a skeptic in this day and age due to the ammount of crap on television and the internet as well. For instance if I said I went to Burgar King with a reptillian would you beleive me or would you question the valididity of my story? I know I would certainly question this.

I will question any story or cult that claims aliens are involved because no one ever has the proof.

Hi, I know very little of scientology but I'm slightly interested. I have thought for a while some of the "truths" you mentioned on the first page may be possible.

I am going to put a + for agree and I will leave - if I don't agree and I will put = if I don't know.

+Aliens exist
+Our souls are alien souls... I.E. we are all aliens trapped in these bodies
+-Our soul is immortal and records everything we experience
=When we die, we do not go to hell or heaven, we go to a soul processing base on Jupitor and are sent where the system sends us, brainwashed, and given a gameplan in life... I.E. fate
+God exists
=Grey's, Reptilians, other aliens resembling us... all exist
+We have lived countless times before
+There is a great chance you have lived on an "alien" (not Earth) planet before
+There are countless other prison planets in the galaxy, we are not the only one that has no idea
=The pyramids were built by homo sapien or alien with the use of telekenisis
-The reason Earth is so ridden with crime is because a big number of people were sent here for crimes and banished from other alien civilization
-The only way out of this prison is Scientology

There you have it. Now I have a couple quick questions if you could please answer Mike.

1) If I don't agree with somthing would that mean I'm not allowed in?
2) If I don't agree with somthing or don't know about it for example, =The pyramids were built by homo sapien or alien with the use of telekenisis, does the church have any evidence for such a claim that might help me believe this?
3)How much does it cost, exactly, to join?

"You are a Suppressive Person. You must live a horrible existance-"

thats just it, it doesn't matter if someones being suppressed or not, and just because your insulted, your supressing that they are making facts as well. the insult to you are unwarrented either. I expect u to jab into me after I write this in a scoffing or ignorant matter...to say anyone is supressing anything is supression of life, and thats where u scientologist got it all wrong...The right way to any way..is your own personal way..as long it helps everyone get by on this planet..on their own. realize that. quit, pushing views on other people...on the ufo/alien forum nonetheless.

[edit on 16-6-2006 by waffleprime]

Originally posted by jaguarmike

-Our souls are alien souls... I.E. we are all aliens trapped in these bodies
-Our soul is immortal and records everything we experience.

Look in science...there is no soul...as of yet. There may be, but how would you feel if I said once you die your like a drop of water in the sea...your particles spread out everywhere...and you can call it reincarnation as bits of you feed earthworms, other bits make the flowers grow.

What if thats it for you? NO ONE has PROOF of life after death. sorry, all is hope and stories cause none of us can fess up and say we are scared of the potential that we will go back into nothingness which we came.

Old wise solomon...read his stuff...he said enjoy life, as afterwards you wont know a thing as you will be in the grave.

As for immortality, it may be possible, but you better figure it out before the earth worms get you.
As I posted somewhere else, even if someone were to clone you, would it be the same true essence? If you have a soul, than I guess not.

Something for us all to ponder.

peace

dalen

I have now read the whole thread. (waist of time might I add)

While reading, I kept an open mind to what mike has been saying, until I reached the end.


I started a thread a while back where I talk about going to the COS wanting to learn more info and the thread shows the results.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The whole experiance was a complete waist of my time. The people there were wierd and untrustworthy. (just got that feeling)

I totally got the sense that they were trying to get my money and that was it.

Mike: to you , I would say practice what you preach. You should show more humility and more understanding.

The way it sounds to me is you need some more auditing yourself.

Jagmike, as I said earlier, I removed myself from this 'discussion'. Can I just ask you not to refer to me as 'the dog with the cigar'. It's Gemwolf. Really not that hard. The dog's name is Frank Btw. And I did some more homework and saw that I can't afford to be a member of scientology on my salary. Lucky me? I'll say!


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"The whole experiance was a complete waist of my time. The people there were wierd and untrustworthy. (just got that feeling)

I totally got the sense that they were trying to get my money and that was it."

Your not the only person who has had these types of experiences. I know people who feel the exact same way you do infact one was even taken into it for a while then when she realized that it was to cost her tens of thousands of dollars she started asking questions and left. She has since changed her name and number and sold her property due to harrassing phone calls, threats, verbal abuse....