The Truth part 2

Originally posted by indsmb

Originally posted by articulateka0s
yeah i think i watched a southpark episode about this

me too.... jupiter... pfft

You know, i'm probably going to get in trouble for this one day, but sometimes I wonder if some people actually deserve to be here...

Originally posted by jaguarmike
Actually, I explained what all the chiiterchatter and naysayer and shytalking stems from far before any was said... Suppressive Persons and PTS... read back a few pages on this thread and you will see. I knew people like you would pop up, and I knew people like you would skip over it.

I did read everything in this thread. I read every single word you said, and what others said. I mean what better source than good information than an actual member of Scientology? If I were any more open-minded my brain would fall out. But I must say that from your replies I'm even more reluctant to take Scientology seriously.

My attacks (not really the correct term, but you'll probably see it as such) are not directed at you. You are clearly a good person with honest intentions. No. My "attacks" are towards Scientology. My agenda is not to shoot down Scientology, but to help you understand that you are destroying your life.

If I'm a Suppressive Person (people?) then so be it. At least I have the logic to see beyond lies. I guess everyone should have a fancy name for their supposed enemies. I am not your enemy JaguarMike. Really I'm not.

And I'm not the only "Suppressive Person" in this thread. Maybe you should read the thread again, and do a headcount?

(PS. Nested Quotes are a big no-no... Don't quote my entire post, just quote what you want to reply on.)

Originally posted by Gemwolf

Originally posted by jaguarmike
Actually, I explained what all the chiiterchatter and naysayer and shytalking stems from far before any was said... Suppressive Persons and PTS... read back a few pages on this thread and you will see. I knew people like you would pop up, and I knew people like you would skip over it.

I did read everything in this thread. I read every single word you said, and what others said. I mean what better source than good information than an actual member of Scientology? If I were any more open-minded my brain would fall out. But I must say that from your replies I'm even more reluctant to take Scientology seriously.

My attacks (not really the correct term, but you'll probably see it as such) are not directed at you. You are clearly a good person with honest intentions. No. My "attacks" are towards Scientology. My agenda is not to shoot down Scientology, but to help you understand that you are destroying your life.

If I'm a Suppressive Person (people?) then so be it. At least I have the logic to see beyond lies. I guess everyone should have a fancy name for their supposed enemies. I am not your enemy JaguarMike. Really I'm not.

And I'm not the only "Suppressive Person" in this thread. Maybe you should read the thread again, and do a headcount?

(PS. Nested Quotes are a big no-no... Don't quote my entire post, just quote what you want to reply on.)

Bro... how many people are on the planet? 6 or 7 billion? How many people know about this? Like less than a million. How elite does that make a Scientologist? More so than you know. I don't listen to people who attack my group, they might as well be ants in my kitchen. I respond to people who critique and ask questions. I respond to people who are misinformed. I respond to high-toned individuals I immediately feel affinity for and truly want to know because they see truth.

This operation is the biggest operation Earth has seen. It stretches far past that. I want to see Scientology be on every corner on the globe, and in everyone's hands. I know it is true... I was a huge skeptic, I thought it sounded weird, I didn't agree with certain things... until it hit me. It was all true. Then I started trying to find stuff that wasn' true, or that didn't work out there in life when you applied it... haven't found anything yet. It all works.

-Predicting Human Behavior
-Knowing tone levels of people
-Knowing who your friends are and your enemies
-Knowing how to solve conflicts
-Knowing how to source problems
-Knowing how to effectively organize a business
-Knowing how to be ethical
-Knowing how to have integrity

this is just the tip of the iceberg, and what pops into my head at 4 in the morning.

Notice how many times I say "knowing"



*It's all out there man, with my claims, it would be stupid NOT to see for yourself.

[edit on 15-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Originally posted by jaguarmike

*It's all out there man, with my claims, it would be stupid NOT to see for yourself.

[edit on 15-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Well that's that then. I did my best, but there's just no getting through. Good luck in your ventures. I'm outta here. G.

Wow, I haven't heard such a cold response to others perceptions in quite sometime. That a great view you have everyone else are just ants.... And the most closed minded individual award goes to.... jaguarmike. Dude you need to lighten up a little bit. I am ok with your ideas and views on Scientology. All we are trying to do is help you keep an understanding of everyones views. I do not subscribe to the ideas of Scientology. I'm sure some I would agree with and some I wouldn't however, I am not about to start bashing someone just cause they don't see things my way. You have just hurt your argument more than help it. I hope you ponder these words, and if I were you I would apologize to gemwolf, he did not attack he just stated his view on it, or does your religion not believe in being humble and kind to others. Absolute Love is the only truth, everything else is illusion, think about it. Good luck in research, and I hope you open your view up a little bit.

Researcher,

Blake K. Stoltman

I concur.jaguarmike you must understand that this is a alien\ufo forum.If you want scientology disscusion then try the religion conspiracy forum.I would love to hear more about the annunaki and specifically the shadow aliens who created the annunaki.

[edit on 15-6-2006 by warthog911]

"How elite does that make a Scientologist? More so than you know. I don't listen to people who attack my group, they might as well be ants in my kitchen. I respond to people who critique and ask questions."

"How elite does that make a Scientologist? More so than you know."

Scientologists generally take on this view as being better then the rest of humanity because they spent the money to be better. Psychological manipulation is clearly evident in the church. Seems like to me anyway you and other scientologists share this view and suffer from delusions of grandure.

"I don't listen to people who attack my group, they might as well be ants in my kitchen."

So then you view those who oppose you as ants. I have noticed scientologists take on the mentality that those who oppose them or even in the case of south park are the enemy. I remember another group of people who thought they were better then the rest of us they were called Nazi's. Perhaps the founder of these ideologies had a form of schizophrenia called megalomania.
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Time to post some reading for people in regards to the criminal acts that scietologists have been arrested and accused of.....

www.raids.org...
The link above has the links to all sorts of information regarding everything from fraud to domestic terrorism

www.ecclesia.gr... (accusations of brainwashing, totalitarianism)
www.raids.org... (IRS letter from 89)
www.raids.org... (terrorist attack)
www.lermanet.com... (taught it's ok to break laws for the church)
www.raids.org... (corruption of govt officials)
www.raids.org... (epionage)
www.raids.org... (view of law enforcement)
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It seems to me that scientology is nothing more then a group of radical ideologists, criminals, terrorists, spies.....

At least i will provide information in regards to my accusations made earlier.

Scientology is guilty of many crimes something that none of you seem to address. Perhaps you can explain to these people why scientologists are involved in so many criminal activities.
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"One has the choice of being dead with drugs or being alive without them. Drugs rob life of the sensations and joys which are the only reason for living anyhow.” `L Ron Hubbard
www.narconon.org...
Link to narconon website (owned by scientology)

"At various times, just about everything, because he was quite a hypocondriac. Cocaine, peyote, amphetamines, barbiturates. It would be shorter to list what he didn't take." `Ron DeWolf (L Ron junior)
www.rickross.com...
link to pentohouse interview

So an organization that denounces drug use followed a leader that used almost every mind altering substance available during his life time....

I'll beleive in scientology when lord xenu, comes over for breakfast...I love that guy. xenuxenu.ytmnd.com...

[edit on 15-6-2006 by waffleprime]

Hey Jag, I know this is completely off topic, but do you have a shirt like this?

Originally posted by Eteric Rice
Hey Jag, I know this is completely off topic, but do you have a shirt like this?

Crying wolf? Animals howling at something bigger then them? A cool t shirt?

No I don't, what does this mean?

All the people attacking jaguarmike have such low comprehension levels that they wouldn't believe a thing unless their parents told them. These are the kind of people who form the "Flat Earth Society".

But all ignorance aside, I am glad some people have the integrity to be true to themselves like jaguarmike. All the greatest thinkers have this quality. Most people would rather just conform.

But remember:

"Those whose approval you seek most give you the least"
-Maurice Chevalier

Thanks LightSeeker!


You all owe you, me, the country, the globe, the galaxy... one favor.

And just to prove I am not out for cash since I have been occused of this many times, just go to a book store, and read part of "The Scientology Handbook." I guarantee you will buy it after you see the truth in it, but just go look at it.

Originally posted by BStoltman
Wow, I haven't heard such a cold response to others perceptions in quite sometime. That a great view you have everyone else are just ants.... And the most closed minded individual award goes to.... jaguarmike. Dude you need to lighten up a little bit. I am ok with your ideas and views on Scientology. All we are trying to do is help you keep an understanding of everyones views. I do not subscribe to the ideas of Scientology. I'm sure some I would agree with and some I wouldn't however, I am not about to start bashing someone just cause they don't see things my way. You have just hurt your argument more than help it. I hope you ponder these words, and if I were you I would apologize to gemwolf, he did not attack he just stated his view on it, or does your religion not believe in being humble and kind to others. Absolute Love is the only truth, everything else is illusion, think about it. Good luck in research, and I hope you open your view up a little bit.

Researcher,

Blake K. Stoltman

Unfortunately my view can't be opened on this topic- I have gone a long time asking the same questions many here have asked, had to digest so much information, and finally understand to where I have certainty. When figure A realizes something to be absolute truth, then it is impossible for figure B to argue with figure A when A believes he knows the truth. That's kind of an example.

When someone argues with me about Scn, it is like someone picking up a slice of cheese, and saying it is lamb meat. It reminds me of back when I was 3 and my neighbor would hold out three fingers proclaiming he was holding out four, and I would argue and say he was not.

The dog with the cigar is not a bad person but is misinformed to a huge degree- Scn does believe you should be nice to people, but i'm not always nice, and neither am I perfect. I am not an example of Scn, and should not be viewed as such- i'm just a person. The dog with the cigar poster has been actively involved in this thread and ofr that I give him credit because it opens me up more to spread truth even though his information is not credited.

If you notice, there are some people I won't respond to, because their claims and sources are from Suppressive people that want to see any betterment group fail, got kicked out of Scn, or just have way too much time on their hands.

My message is simpe: Buy a book, Read a book, Go to your local Church... but most importantly- find out first hand this knowledge.

If I was running Scn, i'd hire airplanes dropping off fliers in the cities and paying the litter bill, but it's not like that so I am giving information to PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KNOW- you all are in a alien/ufo forum and this is so up your alley you don't even know yet.



[edit on 15-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Originally posted by warthog911
I concur.jaguarmike you must understand that this is a alien\ufo forum.If you want scientology disscusion then try the religion conspiracy forum.I would love to hear more about the annunaki and specifically the shadow aliens who created the annunaki.

[edit on 15-6-2006 by warthog911]

I could put Scn in any forum and have information to back up why it belongs to be there. This isn't religious consipacy, I solely want Alien/Ufo interested people here. If you want to know that information you will have to read or listen to different congresses and piece it all together. I haven't done this, most of that information I got from outside sources via Jim Maars and some from David Icke. They are both good but I want to hear more of LRH. It'll just take time.

*If anyone is wondering what we are talking about, we're talking about a previous thread that explains a lot more information called "Spanish Inquisition, NWO, Reptilian Annunaki, Immortality"

[edit on 15-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Originally posted by jaguarmike

Originally posted by Eteric Rice
Hey Jag, I know this is completely off topic, but do you have a shirt like this?

Crying wolf? Animals howling at something bigger then them? A cool t shirt?

No I don't, what does this mean?

Nothing really, was just curious.

Originally posted by Eteric Rice

Originally posted by jaguarmike

Originally posted by Eteric Rice
Hey Jag, I know this is completely off topic, but do you have a shirt like this?

Crying wolf? Animals howling at something bigger then them? A cool t shirt?

No I don't, what does this mean?

Nothing really, was just curious.

There's something very intriguing about this shirt for me personally, please explain yourself.

"You all owe you, me, the country, the globe, the galaxy... one favor."

I nor anyone else owes you anything that is the view of a egotistical delusional scientologist who can't even defend the criminal organization he belongs too.

I have provided ample documented evidence to say scientology was started as a big scam and still is a big scam.

As for Jag being a great thinker yeah right all I have seen is BS and rhetoric non-sense.

Scientologists on this forum have a chance with my last post to defend the crimes carried out by scientology and it's members. If no scientologist will take on any of the accusations I have made or the accusations made globally by not only civilians but governments and law enforcement regarding the organization then so be it. I find it funny how I can look at guys like Tom Cruise on TV and read what Jag is posting here and notice a corralation in the mentality of both. Yet some here would regard these men as great thinkers....wow people are getting just plain stupid. Great thinkers are people like Ben Franklin, Albert Einstein, Steven Hawking and others.

People would claim I am no different then those who thought the world flat. I disagree with this strongly since I am not completely oblivious to the possibilities of ET life and other paranormal subjects as well as science.

Jaguar Mike himself admitted that those who oppose them are merely ants in his kitchen and that need to be quashed... He has also called himself elite... yet people would still regard him as a great thinker hardly. Great thinkers of today are trying to cure disease, end wars, feed the hungry without making them accept a radical ideology in return.

You may not be directly making money off of your expliots but your superiors certainly are everytime a book is sold and everytime someone throws a dollar at them for bogus knowledge. You have admitted before to having an agenda to get people to sign up.

Scientologists = brainwashed trash who can't discern their mouths from their a-holes since they both spew crap.

Originally posted by The_Doctor
"You all owe you, me, the country, the globe, the galaxy... one favor."

I nor anyone else owes you anything that is the view of a egotistical delusional scientologist who can't even defend the criminal organization he belongs too.

I have provided ample documented evidence to say scientology was started as a big scam and still is a big scam.

As for Jag being a great thinker yeah right all I have seen is BS and rhetoric non-sense.

Scientologists on this forum have a chance with my last post to defend the crimes carried out by scientology and it's members. If no scientologist will take on any of the accusations I have made or the accusations made globally by not only civilians but governments and law enforcement regarding the organization then so be it. I find it funny how I can look at guys like Tom Cruise on TV and read what Jag is posting here and notice a corralation in the mentality of both. Yet some here would regard these men as great thinkers....wow people are getting just plain stupid. Great thinkers are people like Ben Franklin, Albert Einstein, Steven Hawking and others.

People would claim I am no different then those who thought the world flat. I disagree with this strongly since I am not completely oblivious to the possibilities of ET life and other paranormal subjects as well as science.

Jaguar Mike himself admitted that those who oppose them are merely ants in his kitchen and that need to be quashed... He has also called himself elite... yet people would still regard him as a great thinker hardly. Great thinkers of today are trying to cure disease, end wars, feed the hungry without making them accept a radical ideology in return.

You may not be directly making money off of your expliots but your superiors certainly are everytime a book is sold and everytime someone throws a dollar at them for bogus knowledge. You have admitted before to having an agenda to get people to sign up.

Scientologists = brainwashed trash who can't discern their mouths from their a-holes since they both spew crap.

Your claims of horrible allegations are a result of your need, and your group of Suppressive persons, to keep others down at all and any cost. Lies, deceit, and scandal are the tools in your bag, and people like you have been fighting from your blackened souls to stop Dianetics and Scientology since it was first invented.

Your screams are heard but will not last for the time is coming for all you SP's to own up to your high crimes with responsibility and ethics.

Do not be affected by these shady characters and their goal of preventing humanity to rise above the ashes. They will not succeed, Scientology will.

Browse or Buy the book "The Scientology Handbook" and you will see for yourself the information is correct, true, and appliable to any and all situations you will encounter in life to live a full, happy, knowledgable, and successful existance.

Yeah, yeah, the only way to save us is to buy that Scientology book.

Right...

It amazes me that you can't see your own foolishness here. When someone goes against you, all of sudden he's a "shady character."

Pfft, this was funny at first but its getting boring.

ALL HAIL EXENU!

Its funny how some people have to make these big negative statements to get their point across. What they are really after is the approval that they get from others when they resort to negativity.

But I don't blame them for that. They can only do what their mind commands them to do. Wether it be positive or negative, their psychology simply works that way.

But I do hope you guys find the self-approval you need instead of trying to impress us with your negativity. It will make your life a lot easier and happier too when you realize that the real enemy isn't out here, its right there inside your head.