The Truth part 2

Originally posted by Duzey
It is not true that people have to pay to learn the tech. They only have to pay if they practice within the church.

The tech is available to anyone who wants it, free of charge. And more importantly, free of the church.

I don't have time for your Freezone nonsense talking nonsense about RTC. Those people don't have the system set up as Scientology does, and case-gain is not guaranteed through that seperate non-RTC group.

Yes, you can get the information FREE through Freezone. The case-gain you can expect will be nowehre near what you will achieve at the church. Do not go through Freezone you'll regret it later when more work is required on your part to correct mishaps in the past, guaranteed.

[edit on 14-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Gemwolf,


Listen- all of those allegations and confusions on your part is a result of my mistake in not fully explaining everything because it would take hours. Find out the information for yourself.

We are all in a bad position right now on the planet, you know it, I know it. Humans have developed Nuclear Weapons all over the globe and its just a matter of time before someone uses one. I think it's a pretty good idea to get technology and information across that gaurantees War, Crime, and Insanity will not prevail.

Despite your assumptions, preconceived notions, fears, regrets, disinformation, etc...

THIS IS THE ONLY CHANCE WE'VE GOT... and I apologize if I make any of you feel uneasy- God knows I have for a while- but i'm finally coming to my senses and able to act and not remain boxed knowing what I know.


It's a time crunch man, and the clock is tickin'


[edit on 14-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com...

waffleprime goodlink all so true .
people can believe in what they like and no one has the right to tell them thier wrong
but i cant help thinking when people get hooked into this type of cult thing and theres more than just scientoligy that use the same methods to hold sway over others and it is a form of brainwashing is when presented with facts that counter the ideoligy of the gruop concerned even when its refutable proof, you get a response of no way cant be true the evil ones put that there to keep us down and when someone dies because of their actions its we actually released from the prison they were in.
there is another gruop witch calls itself a reliegon that i would call shonky also started by someone of maybee shady background and today is thriving world wide maybee people need this in their lives dont know i couldnt

Originally posted by jaguarmike
Am I trying to recruit? Of course, they sure need the help.

Well are you??? Or aren’t you recruiting???

Originally posted by jaguarmike
recruiting would say go work for them. Would I like you to work for them? Of course, but that is not why i'm posting- i'm posting to get you to realize the truth is out there and to go in and find out for yourself.

First let me say I’m sorry for making poking fun at you yesterday, that wasn’t very polite, nor lady-like. I do believe Scientology is a cult, just like the majority of my mother’s family is in a cult (JW). If that’s what you believe…. then have at it. It is what it is though…it’s a CULT pure and simple. I hope you break free from it

JagMike: My goal is to get more people who are starving for the truth and ufo knowledge into a group that will give them all the asnwers they want and crave- that is the extent of what I care about on this forum. I went into deeper detail in my other posts, but this one is more direct.

Can this be achieved without handing over a dime?

Please U2U Me with your plan - I will be interested if the goal is pure and beneficial to the wider community and more importantly can save our brothers and sisters who are not as fortunate as us.....

From what I percieve Scientology is just another tool of segregation. It promotes the have's & have nots' and global unity is not on the agenda.


So personally, L Ron and all his clones can go .... themselves.

One World - One Race.

Originally posted by jaguarmike
Gemwolf,

Listen- all of those allegations and confusions on your part is a result of my mistake in not fully explaining everything because it would take hours. Find out the information for yourself.
[edit on 14-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

My friend, I actually spent some time to create my post. All of what I posted is information I found by myself. Most of it facts, some interpretations. Point is, if this is your reaction to those questions, then you don't have the answers to them yourself, do you? I mean you could have answered the simple questions like whether you'll get money for recruiting anyone here, or how much money an "OT" could expect to spent to go through the different levels. But your avoidance of these questions is answer enough.

You say that you are not here for the sole purpose of recruiting. You say you are here to give us information, i.e. inform us. Then when we ask some information, you tell us to join the ranks to get the information. That, my friend, is pure recruitment.

Ask yourself this. Are all of us wrong, and you the only one that's right? We are a collection of probably the most open-minded people out there. But only one person so far is willing to give scientology a second thought. Please think about the warnings. Did you read what makes cult a cult? Have they really brainwashed you beyond repair?

Originally posted by one_small_step

JagMike: My goal is to get more people who are starving for the truth and ufo knowledge into a group that will give them all the asnwers they want and crave- that is the extent of what I care about on this forum. I went into deeper detail in my other posts, but this one is more direct.

Can this be achieved without handing over a dime?

Please U2U Me with your plan - I will be interested if the goal is pure and beneficial to the wider community and more importantly can save our brothers and sisters who are not as fortunate as us.....

From what I percieve Scientology is just another tool of segregation. It promotes the have's & have nots' and global unity is not on the agenda.


So personally, L Ron and all his clones can go .... themselves.

One World - One Race.

Can you find out some information without handing over a dime? Of course- but trust me, you will pay money once you realize what you can learn and do for your own spirit, mind, and body. Scientology is most certainly not a tool of segregation, as a matter of fact it is the opposite. Go to your local church, watch a video, read free stuff, talk to anyone, and make your own conclusions.

Again, I know this is a hard concept to swallow- I have said a lot of stuff on here that I am realizing only one person was able to confront and deal with. Just because you have an open mind doesn't mean you can accept truth.



[edit on 15-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Originally posted by Gemwolf

Originally posted by jaguarmike
Gemwolf,

Listen- all of those allegations and confusions on your part is a result of my mistake in not fully explaining everything because it would take hours. Find out the information for yourself.
[edit on 14-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

My friend, I actually spent some time to create my post. All of what I posted is information I found by myself. Most of it facts, some interpretations. Point is, if this is your reaction to those questions, then you don't have the answers to them yourself, do you? I mean you could have answered the simple questions like whether you'll get money for recruiting anyone here, or how much money an "OT" could expect to spent to go through the different levels. But your avoidance of these questions is answer enough.

You say that you are not here for the sole purpose of recruiting. You say you are here to give us information, i.e. inform us. Then when we ask some information, you tell us to join the ranks to get the information. That, my friend, is pure recruitment.

Ask yourself this. Are all of us wrong, and you the only one that's right? We are a collection of probably the most open-minded people out there. But only one person so far is willing to give scientology a second thought. Please think about the warnings. Did you read what makes cult a cult? Have they really brainwashed you beyond repair?

*I already answered if i'd get money by recruiting people or getting people interested or whatever you want to call it- the answer is no. I don't work for Scientology. My payment is getting you all interested enough to make stuff happen that needs to happen in this world. When I say we can have a society free of War, Crime, and Insanity i'm not kidding... steps are being done and programs are operating now with pure success.

*Why do I tell you to get information through yourself? Because I will not spread false Scientology information on this thread or to anyone. Like I have stated, I do not have the technology memorized, therefor unless I am quoting direct from the texts, I will not post it... it's that simple. This information can't be changed for it messesup the whole meaning of it. The only way to get the full picture, to get the real texts, is to go there.

And if you're so worried about me recruiting... then go buy a book for God's sake... barnes and noble- "The Scientology Handbook" that book alone will give you tools to kick arse in life and live a happier life. If you don't want to buy it, at least READ SOME OF IT at the book store.

*Am I the only one that is right on this thread? Yes. My message has truth in it. My message is bringing to you for the first time on this planet a truly new technology made known to us by LRH.

*As for your cult stuff... bro, I don't care what wog term you use for my group. When you are bending matter, making things go right, exteriorizing your thetan (you think of it as a soul), making others succeed, living in eternity, achieving total happiness, and never having a bad day... talk to me about "cult." This is the only organization that can do what I say and it rips modern day figureheads to shreds knowing their monoloply is garbage and they will never have this information for their usage.


We're on a whole new level man.

"I don't have time for your Freezone nonsense talking nonsense about RTC. Those people don't have the system set up as Scientology does, and case-gain is not guaranteed through that seperate non-RTC group.

Yes, you can get the information FREE through Freezone. The case-gain you can expect will be nowehre near what you will achieve at the church. Do not go through Freezone you'll regret it later when more work is required on your part to correct mishaps in the past, guaranteed."

You know what I have noticed after looking at some files pertaining to scientology??

Government infiltraters, psychological manipulation, character assasination, fraud, embezzelment.....

There are many other things you can do with your money other then put it in someone elses pocket.

By the time you obtain the level clear in the church you would have spent tens of thousands of dollars and many hours listening to why humanity is so #ed up and why scientology is the way to become a better person. All I have seen so far is an absense in south park (Isaac Hayes) and the idiotic Tom Cruise.

Why people would even bother with such non-sense is beyond me.

JaguarMike you are obviously a scientologist agent trying to push a BS religeos system created from the mind of a Sci-Fi author. Trying to make the church a little more money.

You would'nt be the first to attempt this on the internet or elseware spreading false truths to recruit scientologists. Though you might be oblivious and blinded by your own ego as a scientologist what you are doing here is wrong. You are a horrible sales person and you have even admitted to have an agenda here.

If there is any conspiracy here sir it is crap being advertised on the most popular conspiracy forums on the webernet by you.

Scientology hangs a lot of conspiracy theory as well pharma corps accused of having an agenda for aliens to dumb down the population so a battlefield Earth scenario can happen and we can be enslaved by John Travolta.

You are a looney just like anyone else who follows BS

Originally posted by The_Doctor
"I don't have time for your Freezone nonsense talking nonsense about RTC. Those people don't have the system set up as Scientology does, and case-gain is not guaranteed through that seperate non-RTC group.

Yes, you can get the information FREE through Freezone. The case-gain you can expect will be nowehre near what you will achieve at the church. Do not go through Freezone you'll regret it later when more work is required on your part to correct mishaps in the past, guaranteed."

You know what I have noticed after looking at some files pertaining to scientology??

Government infiltraters, psychological manipulation, character assasination, fraud, embezzelment.....

There are many other things you can do with your money other then put it in someone elses pocket.

By the time you obtain the level clear in the church you would have spent tens of thousands of dollars and many hours listening to why humanity is so #ed up and why scientology is the way to become a better person. All I have seen so far is an absense in south park (Isaac Hayes) and the idiotic Tom Cruise.

Why people would even bother with such non-sense is beyond me.

JaguarMike you are obviously a scientologist agent trying to push a BS religeos system created from the mind of a Sci-Fi author. Trying to make the church a little more money.

You would'nt be the first to attempt this on the internet or elseware spreading false truths to recruit scientologists. Though you might be oblivious and blinded by your own ego as a scientologist what you are doing here is wrong. You are a horrible sales person and you have even admitted to have an agenda here.

If there is any conspiracy here sir it is crap being advertised on the most popular conspiracy forums on the webernet by you.

Scientology hangs a lot of conspiracy theory as well pharma corps accused of having an agenda for aliens to dumb down the population so a battlefield Earth scenario can happen and we can be enslaved by John Travolta.

You are a looney just like anyone else who follows BS

I am a rediculously awesome salesman. My agenda is the size of infinity. Things like you will never stand in my way.

.. Go to your local church, watch a video, read free stuff, talk to anyone, and make your own conclusions.

Again, I know this is a hard concept to swallow- I have said a lot of stuff on here that I am realizing only one person was able to confront and deal with. Just because you have an open mind doesn't mean you can accept truth.

[edit on 15-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Ok, I'm going against my non feeding schedule.

With all this money talk, would scientology deny my sponsored child in Africa the truth because he has no money?!?!?!

YES - That is segregation.

Please feel free to offer some generic rhetoric response.

Black & White my friend. The only grey area is our brains.


Mike, I am not trying to attack you or your beliefs. I am just trying to offer another view point.

The 'truth' and the search for it is a personal one.

Originally posted by one_small_step

.. Go to your local church, watch a video, read free stuff, talk to anyone, and make your own conclusions.

Again, I know this is a hard concept to swallow- I have said a lot of stuff on here that I am realizing only one person was able to confront and deal with. Just because you have an open mind doesn't mean you can accept truth.

[edit on 15-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

Ok, I'm going against my non feeding schedule.

With all this money talk, would scientology deny my sponsored child in Africa the truth because he has no money?!?!?!

YES - That is segregation.

Please feel free to offer some generic rhetoric response.

Black & White my friend. The only grey area is our brains.


Mike, I am not trying to attack you or your beliefs. I am just trying to offer another view point.

The 'truth' and the search for it is a personal one.

generic rhetoric resonse: That child can go work for Scientology and they will cloth, feed, and give him free tech.

Scientology is about making the able more able. If we only focused on world hunger issues right now and didn't tell people like all of you this, it would get pretty messy... remember, human's have invented Nukes.

Saying "your days are numbered" is not even a joke when you concider what history has taught us.

[edit on 15-6-2006 by jaguarmike]

This is dedicated to the author of this article. I have to say you need to open your mind a little bit more. I'll agree with a good portion of your statements, however you shouldn't be 100% on any of those idea, unless you have personally seen a reptilian/alien, and actually experienced all the others. I would agree with be 95% sure if that be your decision; however I would strongly recommend you ponder your statement a little bit more. Otherwise all you have done is do what so many people who join a religion do. They take it overboard without knowing all the facts, and background. I have been research many of those topics in your list for quite sometime, and some of them I believe very strongly almost to the point of for sure in agreeance. However I always leave room to change my view. Our basis of reality is based on your experience. If you haven't experienced everything you can't be 100% positive. Keep up the research, and please ponder my words a little bit.

Researcher,

Blake K. Stoltman

This post is in response to the comment about Scientology being the only way to acquire freedom, or salvation or whatever. I have research religions the most out of any topic. There is no correct religion. I support full hardedly the believe in a God. However the answer to not lie with conforming to another establishment in order to band together and proclaim to the world that I am right and you are wrong. There have been far more bad thing to come from Religion then good. How many wars have been brought about from religion, and in comparison how many peace treaties have been brought about..... Exactly there have been far more wars.

Heres where you say that there have been no wars over Scientology. My reply to this is that it is far too new, and far too underdeveloped in terms of participant counts. If you wish to be a part of Scientology this is your choice, you have that right to that choice, but when you push the idea on others and proclaim it is the only way to salvation, you are just doing what every other religion and government have done that have failed or are failing. I push the idea of love, and respect. Be willing to listen to others with different opinions, but do not force your opinion on others. Religion is just another way of segragating people out. We do not need to band into multiple group. There is only one group and that is the group of loving creature we are and should be. Keep up the research and good luck.

Researcher,

Blake K. Stoltman

Although I don't agree with Jaguar at all, I think you guys are being a bit too hard on him. Like he said, he's not in this to make money. To me, he seems to genuinely believe this stuff and he's just trying to help people out in the same way that Christians try to save people from Hell.

No offense Jaguar, but you have to understand that it does sound like complete nonsense to an outsider like me. If the church was really in it for the people, why charge for their information? And the creator of the religion being a science fiction write? I mean come on. How did he come across all of this knowlege? Was it enlightenment? Did it come to him in dreams?

Originally posted by jaguarmike
*Why do I tell you to get information through yourself? Because I will not spread false Scientology information on this thread or to anyone. Like I have stated, I do not have the technology memorized, therefor unless I am quoting direct from the texts, I will not post it... it's that simple. This information can't be changed for it messesup the whole meaning of it. The only way to get the full picture, to get the real texts, is to go there.

It saddens me to see this. A good man being dragged down.

You are fighting a loosing battle here. Clearly more harm than good is done with this thread? There are several posts revealing harmful information about Scientology, and your only retaliation is "nay-sayers" and lies. You have the opportunity to correct misconceptions, but you don't. A neutral person reading this thread will most likely turn against Scientology when finished.

Originally posted by jaguarmike
And if you're so worried about me recruiting... then go buy a book for God's sake... barnes and noble- "The Scientology Handbook" that book alone will give you tools to kick arse in life and live a happier life. If you don't want to buy it, at least READ SOME OF IT at the book store.

I am not about to give any supporter of the Church of Scientology a dime! They are rich enough as it is. Information should be free to everyone. I use the information freely available, and my conclusion is Scientology is not the truth. Why should I pay to be part of a religion? I can be a Christian, Buddhist, Muslim or whatever, without anyone ever asking me a cent.

Originally posted by jaguarmike
*Am I the only one that is right on this thread? Yes. My message has truth in it. My message is bringing to you for the first time on this planet a truly new technology made known to us by LRH.

Dogmatism - Cults believe that they alone have the truth

And again - you take the word of one single man - Hubbard - as the gospel, the one and only truth. Just remind me again where and what Mr Hubbard was at the time of his death?

Originally posted by jaguarmike
*As for your cult stuff... bro, I don't care what wog term you use for my group. When you are bending matter, making things go right, exteriorizing your thetan (you think of it as a soul), making others succeed, living in eternity, achieving total happiness, and never having a bad day... talk to me about "cult." This is the only organization that can do what I say and it rips modern day figureheads to shreds knowing their monoloply is garbage and they will never have this information for their usage.

Close-mindedness - Cult members are so devoted to their cult that they are unwilling to even consider any other point of view even if they know they are wrong.

Well to the answer if you've been brainwashed beyond help the answer seems to be Yes. I'm sorry my friend. Really I am. In a couple of years we'll read about you in the newspaper. Jaguar Mike dies mysteriously in Hotel room with only a handful of dollars behind his name.

A tragedy.

Originally posted by BStoltman
This post is in response to the comment about Scientology being the only way to acquire freedom, or salvation or whatever. I have research religions the most out of any topic. There is no correct religion. I support full hardedly the believe in a God. However the answer to not lie with conforming to another establishment in order to band together and proclaim to the world that I am right and you are wrong. There have been far more bad thing to come from Religion then good. How many wars have been brought about from religion, and in comparison how many peace treaties have been brought about..... Exactly there have been far more wars.

Heres where you say that there have been no wars over Scientology. My reply to this is that it is far too new, and far too underdeveloped in terms of participant counts. If you wish to be a part of Scientology this is your choice, you have that right to that choice, but when you push the idea on others and proclaim it is the only way to salvation, you are just doing what every other religion and government have done that have failed or are failing. I push the idea of love, and respect. Be willing to listen to others with different opinions, but do not force your opinion on others. Religion is just another way of segragating people out. We do not need to band into multiple group. There is only one group and that is the group of loving creature we are and should be. Keep up the research and good luck.

Researcher,

Blake K. Stoltman

The questions that you have brought up were similar questions that I have asked in the past, but now have certainty on. LRH started clearing people, sort of, a while ago. As a result of that (Buddhism), we got Jesus, Mohommad, and some others I forgot... all because the first go at the technology was attempted and these amazing figure-heads meditated through Buddhism. Clears, as a result of LRH's thetan, have changed the globe. Unfortunately, it wasn't good enough. LRH finally got it right as L. Ron Hubbard and has finally achieved his goal for Earth. We have lived in this constant circle of affairs for too long now, it's time to get out of old habits and problems. We have lived countless lives be it human on this planet or whatever on another planet. Our Thetans record it all. We are natively Thetans. When non-OT people talk about traveling to other lands and galaxies through meditation they were lucky enough to have exteriorized... this means the Thetan (you) leaves the body momentarily. This is a rare occurance, not many people can do this on their own. However... imagine being your thetan, and being in control of yourself, your power, and everything in your vascinity, immortality, with unlimited powers and the choice of where to live next and what body to use?


Scientology is new, there is no question... but the difference, is that it is the first religion to offer freedom while you are alive. The questions you have brought up were good questions- however you will have no power to offer your input unless you yourself are in the organization... not to sound arrogant, but it is simply too powerful for just one person to change things unless you are involved.

No other religion can promise this freedom while being alive... the only one that comes second is Buddhism. However, the highest state you can reach in Buddhism is our equivalent to Clear. OT is as different as homo sapien is to homo novis (Clear). We are one group of loving creatures as you say, and one day we will all be back as we used to be eons and eons and eons ago without war, crime, and insanity- affinity, reality, and communication between all, and totally complete and happy... where the sky is no longer the limit, because the sky is not an end.

We have been trapped as beings for too long, and just now we have the ability to escape... while still being alive. Scientology is the only group/religion/whatever than can claim this.




Unless you automatically see the truth in this and get a boost of energy or charge or whatever or it makes you feel good knowing you were right all along, i'd say go into the church or a mission or w/e... OR buy a book, my favorite being "The Scientology Handbook" or just read it at the bookstore. Call me on whatever you want, but do not throw information at me when you have not studied what I have studied- it is too much knowledge, information, and ideas to have an argument with me without you knowing what I know.

Good luck.

Originally posted by Gemwolf

Originally posted by jaguarmike
*Why do I tell you to get information through yourself? Because I will not spread false Scientology information on this thread or to anyone. Like I have stated, I do not have the technology memorized, therefor unless I am quoting direct from the texts, I will not post it... it's that simple. This information can't be changed for it messesup the whole meaning of it. The only way to get the full picture, to get the real texts, is to go there.

It saddens me to see this. A good man being dragged down.

You are fighting a loosing battle here. Clearly more harm than good is done with this thread? There are several posts revealing harmful information about Scientology, and your only retaliation is "nay-sayers" and lies. You have the opportunity to correct misconceptions, but you don't. A neutral person reading this thread will most likely turn against Scientology when finished.

Originally posted by jaguarmike
And if you're so worried about me recruiting... then go buy a book for God's sake... barnes and noble- "The Scientology Handbook" that book alone will give you tools to kick arse in life and live a happier life. If you don't want to buy it, at least READ SOME OF IT at the book store.

I am not about to give any supporter of the Church of Scientology a dime! They are rich enough as it is. Information should be free to everyone. I use the information freely available, and my conclusion is Scientology is not the truth. Why should I pay to be part of a religion? I can be a Christian, Buddhist, Muslim or whatever, without anyone ever asking me a cent.

Originally posted by jaguarmike
*Am I the only one that is right on this thread? Yes. My message has truth in it. My message is bringing to you for the first time on this planet a truly new technology made known to us by LRH.

Dogmatism - Cults believe that they alone have the truth

And again - you take the word of one single man - Hubbard - as the gospel, the one and only truth. Just remind me again where and what Mr Hubbard was at the time of his death?

Originally posted by jaguarmike
*As for your cult stuff... bro, I don't care what wog term you use for my group. When you are bending matter, making things go right, exteriorizing your thetan (you think of it as a soul), making others succeed, living in eternity, achieving total happiness, and never having a bad day... talk to me about "cult." This is the only organization that can do what I say and it rips modern day figureheads to shreds knowing their monoloply is garbage and they will never have this information for their usage.

Close-mindedness - Cult members are so devoted to their cult that they are unwilling to even consider any other point of view even if they know they are wrong.

Well to the answer if you've been brainwashed beyond help the answer seems to be Yes. I'm sorry my friend. Really I am. In a couple of years we'll read about you in the newspaper. Jaguar Mike dies mysteriously in Hotel room with only a handful of dollars behind his name.

A tragedy.

Actually, I explained what all the chiiterchatter and naysayer and shytalking stems from far before any was said... Suppressive Persons and PTS... read back a few pages on this thread and you will see. I knew people like you would pop up, and I knew people like you would skip over it.

Originally posted by articulateka0s
yeah i think i watched a southpark episode about this

me too.... jupiter... pfft