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Originally posted by HowardRoark
Where is the concrete in this picture?
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Then you remeber wrong. The stair enclosures were gypsum board. That is why they people from the upper floors were unable to get down after the aircraft impacts.
This is well documented.
Originally posted by Griff
Well, it definately wasn't open holes. You can see some of the columns casting a shadow over the middle portion. Now, if it was concrete, who knows (well, some people know and they aren't telling). Does anyone have a quote from the structural engineer who designed the building? Have they or the architectural firm made any statements regaurding if there was or wasn't concrete in the core? I think everything else is only speculation and we should either find information from them or at least try and e-mail them.
Originally posted by Griff
Does anyone have a quote from the structural engineer who designed the building?
Originally posted by Christophera
The core had no steel columns in the center. If it did they would be seen piercing the stairwell.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Where are the concrete walls in this picture again?
Originally posted by Tha Troubleshoota
Originally posted by Leto
Nicely done Christophera and bsbray11.
Why don't you "experts" get into your vehicles right now, drive to N.Y., and offer your expert services? Certainly your expertise in contruction and internet forensics is needed back east. Don't worry about your jobs...if you are indeed as astute as you appear in this post, then you'll be paid very well for the amount of service that you can do for the intestigation that is currently taking place.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Where are the concrete walls in this picture again?
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Where is the concrete in this picture?
Originally posted by Christophera
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Where are the concrete walls in this picture again?
The walls are about 40 feet below the top floor.
Originally posted by Christophera
Here is the cast concrete core of WTC 2.
If there were steel core columns you need to explain why they are not seen protruding in this image.
Originally posted by Christophera
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Where is the concrete in this picture?
The concrete is no further down than 70 feet and could be down as little as 15 feet.
Originally posted by HowardRoark
BTW, that photo was clearly taken on a lower floor. Where are the concrete walls?
How can you possible claim to make out any detail in that photo?
Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Where are the concrete walls in this picture again?
Where are the concrete slabs in those photos, Howard?
You don't see those yet either. Does that mean there were no concrete floor slabs?
(They weren't laid yet in those photos.)
Originally posted by HowardRoark
Look again.
The concrete floor slab is definitely in place in this photo.
Originally posted by Christophera
The image below shows the 2 type cuts in the steel found at ground zero. Explosive shear on left, torch cut on right.
Originally posted by Christophera
About a year ago I realized that near the end of the documentary a set of plates were mentioned that were located where the floor panels joined with the interior box columns. the videographers had been trying to piece together the exact assembly method, parts etc, for the floors. They had reels of 16mm and thousands of stills but not quite enough data to get the full picture. From some sub contactor providing parts they found a detail of the plates that surrounded the columns at each floor/column intersection. They were astounded to find that the plates were spec'd with tolerences of like 0.035 inches clearance from the finished columns. The videographers were experienced in construction and went to the PA and asked about the precision as related to the cost to the public. They were definitely trying to show the public where the money went. The PA was actually upset momentarily that the videographers had went around them to a contractor and gotten information the PA considered sensitive at the time of construction. When pressed for why the tolerences were so tight the PA said that the plates were intended to "index the columns to the floors more perfectly". There were reasons the narrative put forth to question this and the expense, then the matter was left alone.
About a year ago I made this graphic to describe what I had remembered as it could relate to a method to create explosive shear of the columns. An extreme cutting charge built into the floors. The perspective is looking at the core face, or the steel in front of it.
After a year I added a second plate because with only one plate, 1 edge of 2, from the cut edges remaining, would be very ragged. In a year of looking at column ends I never found one. Both edges were clean, square cut tempered steel. So I added a plate that sandwiches C4 and is cast in concrete, around the column. The containment and resulting collapsing plane of high pressure gasses would leave a cut exactly like we see. Examine the edge left by modern LS charges and you'll see the column end above is very similar.
[edit on 21-5-2006 by Christophera]
[edit on 21-5-2006 by Christophera]