The Knights Templars

a reply to: piney

There are no chants in Masonry, we are not Gregorian Monks.

a reply to: falcon

Why don't you ask the masons on site?

a reply to: EA006

He has not logged on in over six years.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: EA006

He has not logged on in over six years.

Did you guys bump him off?

....I only clocked the date after I posted.

I'll ask for him.

Are the Freemasons modern day templars? Are you engaged in a holy war with Islam?
Why are so many Freemason signs included in computer games?
Is the unfinished pyramid used on the $1 bill, a Freemason sign?

Are Freemasons just a big gang with world domination their goal through secrecy and capitalism?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: piney
...you live in a Freemasons town. Usually full of homosexuals.

Another anti-Masonic homophobe.

Welcome to the tired old party.

Are Masonic lodges LGBT headquarters?

originally posted by: EA006
Did you guys bump him off?

Not that I am aware of.

Are the Freemasons modern day templars?

There is a Knights Templar Degree in the York and Scottish Rite but we are not related to the historical Knights Templar.

Are you engaged in a holy war with Islam?

No. There are Muslims in my lodge.

Why are so many Freemason signs included in computer games?

Probably because the game designers like them.

Is the unfinished pyramid used on the $1 bill, a Freemason sign?

No, it was designed by a non-Mason.

Are Freemasons just a big gang with world domination their goal through secrecy and capitalism?

If we were we are doing a pretty poor job in the domination department.

originally posted by: EA006
Are Masonic lodges LGBT headquarters?

No.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

On fear of death by a higher power, are you telling the 100℅ truth?

A yes or no will suffice.

originally posted by: EA006
On fear of death by a higher power, are you telling the 100℅ truth?

A yes or no will suffice.

Yes.

As I mentioned in many other threads. the only 'secrets' are five handshakes and five passwords.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: EA006
On fear of death by a higher power, are you telling the 100℅ truth?

A yes or no will suffice.

Yes.

As I mentioned in many other threads. the only 'secrets' are five handshakes and five passwords.

I didn't read all the other threads.

5 handshakes and 5 passwords.....why five?

originally posted by: EA006
I didn't read all the other threads.

No worries, I am sure you will come across them eventually if you read the threads in this forum.

5 handshakes and 5 passwords.....why five?

Just the way it worked out.

originally posted by: EA006
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

On fear of death by a higher power, are you telling the 100℅ truth?

A yes or no will suffice.

I suggest you read through some of the older threads here and see the continuing pattern that has formed with the answers given by many masons here over the years. Most have never met each other, yet offer the exact same answers to the questions asked. I think that in itself is a good way to tell the truthfulness of the posts.

(or we are all part of the collective and controlled by the Borg, making all our answers the same due to coming from the hive)

RE: Templars, very interesting theory from this book. The book also agrees that the Templars were persecuted for their beliefs and the case that it was all a plot to rip them off is overblown. Yes, once they were deemed to be heretics the dismantling of their order and it's assets commenced. But it was their mystical beliefs and rituals that got them in trouble in the first place.

Global Freemasonry The Masonic Philosophy Unveiled and Refuted by Harun Yahya

the trial of the Templars ended with the termination of the order. But, although the order "officially" ceased to exist, it did not actually disappear. During the sudden arrest in 1307, some Templars escaped, managing to cover their tracks.

According to a thesis based on various historical documents, a significant number of them took refuge in the only kingdom in Europe that did not recognize the authority of the Catholic Church in the fourteenth century, Scotland.

There, they reorganized under the protection of the Scottish King, Robert the Bruce. Some time later, they found a convenient method of disguise by which to continue their clandestine existence: they infiltrated the most important guild in the medieval British Isles—the wall builders' lodge, and eventually, they fully seized control of these lodges. The wall-builders' lodge changed its name, at the beginning of the modern era, calling itself the "Masonic lodge."

The Scottish Rite is the oldest branch of Masonry, and dates back to the beginning of the fourteenth century, to those Templars who took refuge in Scotland. And, the names given to the highest degrees in Scottish Rite are titles attributed centuries earlier to knights in the order of Templars.

originally posted by: DannyTorrance

The Scottish Rite is the oldest branch of Masonry, and dates back to the beginning of the fourteenth century

Is that a WAG or a FACT? Masonic Scholars have been looking for proof of claims like this for centuries and have yet to find it.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: DannyTorrance

The Scottish Rite is the oldest branch of Masonry, and dates back to the beginning of the fourteenth century

Is that a WAG or a FACT? Masonic Scholars have been looking for proof of claims like this for centuries and have yet to find it.

Not my guess, I copied that passage from a book. Here are some citations for that section of the chapter -

7 For this thesis about Freemasonry, see.
John J. Robinson, Born in Blood: The Lost
Secrets of Freemasonry, New York, M.
Evans & Company, 1989

8 Ender Arkun, "Masonlarin Dusunce
Evrimine Katkisina Kisa Bir Bakis" (A
Short Look at the Contribution of
Freemasonry to the Evolution of
Thought), Mimar Sinan, 1990, No. 77,
p.68, (emphasis added)

9 Teoman Biyikoglu, "Tampliyeler ve
Hurmasonlar" (Templars and Freemasons),
Mimar Sinan, 1997, No.106, p.11,
(emphasis added)

10 Teoman Biyikoglu, "Tampliyeler ve
Hurmasonlar" (Templars and Freemasons),
Mimar Sinan, 1997, No.106, p.9,
(emphasis added)

11 Teoman Biyikoglu, "Tampliyeler ve
Hurmasonlar" (Templars and Freemasons),
Mimar Sinan, 1997, No.106, p.19,
(emphasis added)

12 Christopher Knight and Robert
Lomas, The Hiram Key, Arrow Books,
1997, p.37

a reply to: DannyTorrance

The Scottish Rite itself seems to disagree.
scottishrite.org...

Pike erroneously thought the same thing but also came to the conclusion that no viable link existed. I realize you have books that claim otherwise, but unless they offer proof, they are works of fiction for entertainment purposes.

I would like for the connection to be there, but so far, the facts seem to point away from that. I hope I am proven wrong.

a reply to: piney
If the theory of discovery was true, they would not have sent it to England. The center of authority for the Templar Order was France.

I'd say most Freemasons could really care less whether we are descendants of the Templars. I think it would be cool if we found a "smoking gun", but most of the theories of Templar continuation into the Freemasons is based on bad information and has been debunked by scholars and historians.

If you have government buildings that look like works of art or artwork in parks then sure enough you live in a Freemasons town. Usually full of homosexuals. I live in one of these towns. I can't be a Freemason unless I denounce the Catholic Church. That Will never happen.

WHAT?! LOL First off, just because there is artwork in the town (which is not a bad thing), that doesn't mean its a "Freemasons town." Second, you have no way of saying that if it was a "Freemasons town," that it would be filled with homosexuals. Third, you are not required to denounce any church to join the fraternity.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
I do love me some Gregorian chants though.

OK, sometimes logic is enough.

Obviously the origin of freemasonry is lost to history, however one can still pose questions and use logic to explore possibilities. Examples-

Would the Catholic Church have successfully persecuted ALL of the order?
Highly unlikely. Once the word was out that the church was torturing and persecuting the order, you can imagine that many of the Templars absconded as quickly as they could.

Would the Templars abandon their belief system after the order was destroyed?
All the evidence says these guys were a fanatical and tight knit group, who were practicing mystery religions and mysticism.

Wouldn't it seem logical that they would A. Leave France. B. Go underground and try to reconstitute the order. C. Make every effort to conceal their identity.

The theory makes perfect sense to me. Maybe they didn't end up in Scotland, but I still have a hard time believing there wasn't some effort to continue the order in some form. It so easy to imagine them being the precursor to Masonry in some way even if it is not a direct link.

Double post.

originally posted by: DannyTorrance
It so easy to imagine them being the precursor to Masonry in some way even if it is not a direct link.

Except there is evidence that Masonry predates the Templars by a couple of hundred years.