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Originally posted by M6D
its also very ignorant and very cocky to make such bold statements, i not anti american,but i can see why people ARE anti american when they see such outlandish and overboard statements like that, which is basically saying 'america, ub3r force of the world'!! america is NOT invincible,however they ARE highly capable in theyre own right.
Originally posted by magicmushroom
Hi Heckman How arrogant of you to think I am jealous of you or any American. Its to be expected I suppose, that's the trouble with some of you, you dont like hearing what is not pro American. You do not like hearing the truth, only your version of it. America today is seen as an aggressor by many people (just as we were with our empire).
America in modern times has never been attacked or invavded so how well will you stand up to it when or if it comes either it be by EU, China, Russia, the mexicans (they might want New Mexico back). How well will you cope, no fighters available on 9/11, good job you were not invaded that day. How good are you at fighting defensively rather than offensively.
How arrogant for Americans to say only certain people can have nuclear weapons but not others. America is the only country to use atomic weapons against an unprotected civillian target, and no it was not used to save American lives it was about trying out the new technology.
As for facts I have given them to you in my previous posting, and yes you are being beaten financially by the EU and China , check the figures. When you go shopping again check how many goods are from China or the EU, the more you buy of these products the quicker your economy will unraval. I know you find it unpalatable to see America taking a back seat but hey sh-t happens.
Originally posted by magicmushroom
As for facts I have given them to you in my previous posting, and yes you are being beaten financially by the EU and China , check the figures. When you go shopping again check how many goods are from China or the EU, the more you buy of these products the quicker your economy will unraval. I know you find it unpalatable to see America taking a back seat but hey sh-t happens.
Originally posted by LAWNMOWERMAN
reason
even by the US own admission, by this time CHINA would have the capability to challenge it's status. by 2050 CHINA would have a "true Blue water Navy" of advance surfaces ships and subs(including aircraft carriers) that would be able to counter an US lead naval task force.
CHINA would also have "stealth capability" and technology, advanced missiles system, advanced bombers, 4.5 to 5 generation fighters(who's pilots "are highly skilled" in air combat tactics)to counter US lead air strikes, and including a vast advanced space based systems program to rival that of the US.
Originally posted by Shortmanx5
How are you gonna do that ask france if you can use there aircraft carrier for a while,
Originally posted by Shortmanx5
We have 12 large carriers and some other small ones, the rest of the world has like 4 and they arent even all full size if any.
Originally posted by Shortmanx5
Maybe that would help if you had enough planes, your airforce has around 300, the usa would send a lot of carriers , we would have more planes even tho you wqould be fighting from your homeland.
Originally posted by Shortmanx5
we have more fighters on 4 or 5 carriers than your whole af.
Originally posted by Shortmanx5
And if it came to a land war, you have the second best tank ,first if you ask a brit, but again you have 300 challengers while we have thousands of m1's. So not much of a fight.
Originally posted by NegativeBeef
lol we would stip england of it's army in 2 days.
Originally posted by mAg1q
Originally posted by k4rupt
Haha shortmanx5 is too hillarious.... I don't think anyone can really pay attention to that kid.
He gets his info from hollywood movies and tries to act like hes a military genius...
That guy thinks that the Chinese army is a bunch of peasants with aks and that China's only military tactic is to rush millions of them to suicide.
Welcome to ATS mag1q... sadly, there are plenty like shortman roaming around here
Originally posted by Shortmanx5
Yes but there are only 4 full sized ones iam not talking about ones that only hold 35 planes. And when i said 300 i meant fighter planes, i was not including helios. [Bold]HAHA your subs are gonna take out ours and then the transports...keep dreaming. Also to let you know we have tanks in your country already. We might have an alliance but not to my knowledge...dumbass.[/Bold] Its not worth agruing about , most people know england would not be able to defend it self from the united states. if could defend yourself you wouldnt have needed us to keep a bunch of troops, tanks ,etc in your country during the cold war. Your navy isnt going to stop the usa if they wanted to invade. we wont but it could be done.
Originally posted by rogue1
They are both each others largest trading partners, to say one could do without the other shows a complete lack of economic knowledge.
Originally posted by shortmanx5
But to compare usa to china;s troops is a joke and i would hope you know that. Chinas troops arent the best trained in the world , no where near it.
Originally posted by truttseeker
Originally posted by Shortmanx5
Yes but there are only 4 full sized ones iam not talking about ones that only hold 35 planes. And when i said 300 i meant fighter planes, i was not including helios. [Bold]HAHA your subs are gonna take out ours and then the transports...keep dreaming. Also to let you know we have tanks in your country already. We might have an alliance but not to my knowledge...dumbass.[/Bold] Its not worth agruing about , most people know england would not be able to defend it self from the united states. if could defend yourself you wouldnt have needed us to keep a bunch of troops, tanks ,etc in your country during the cold war. Your navy isnt going to stop the usa if they wanted to invade. we wont but it could be done.
seriously, enough of the flaming, calling someone a dumbass is NOT needed. Try to keep the discussion intelligent and not flaming each other.
[edit on 9-5-2006 by truttseeker]
[edit on 9-5-2006 by truttseeker]
Originally posted by chinawhite
Anyone want to start a thread about chinas economy?
Look at your dicrection rouge1
Originally posted by rogue1
They are both each others largest trading partners, to say one could do without the other shows a complete lack of economic knowledge.
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Originally posted by shortmanx5
But to compare usa to china;s troops is a joke and i would hope you know that. Chinas troops arent the best trained in the world , no where near it.
And you would know how?
Originally posted by shortmanx5
Actaully canada is americas largest trading partner not china. A billion a day. How do i know americas are better... your joking right?
Originally posted by shortmanx5 How do i know americas are better... your joking right?
Even at 90 and that the high end. americas is over 400 and that the low ball offical budget.
Iraq said they americans couldnt beat their army...and look at what happened to their military
Originally posted by chinawhite
Originally posted by k4rupt
Shortman... LOL?! Your statements are too funny to read.
First of all, I am an American, and second of all... I NEVER said China's military was BETTER than the United States'.All I did was address what you have said. You have mentioned that China's army was a hundreds of millions of peasants with it's sole tactic of suicide. All I did was point out your complete ignorance on this issue.
I mean... come on shortman, it's not too hard to look up info on China's military. I STRONGLY, STRONGLY urge you read up a bit before you utter your... hillarious? statements.
sinodefence.com...
Secondly, do you think military might is all that is needed to win a war? Seriously, is that what you honestly believe? Have you already forgotten the Vietnam war? We didn't lose that war because we had a superior army, navy, or airforce... We LOST that war because the public had no heart to fight it. War is not all about military might... MANY, MANY factors come into play such as capable leadership, the will and heart of the soldiers to fight for a cause they believe in, etc.
It doesn't take a genius to realize that everything you say, shortman, is completely... foolish.
Whatever you say, buddy. The only reason we would even think about fighting china is if were a good reason. like if they attacked tawain, look at history if someone #s with us we pretty much vaporize you . Just ask the japs. If china did something to make america mad enough it wouldnt be good for china. Everytime america was attacked the people get mad and they support war and if that happens bye bye china.
[edit on 9-5-2006 by k4rupt]