How would the US fare in the next world war?

IMHO lets look at WW2 and consider that Germany had the Best airforce, the Best tanks, the Best small arms, and the Best training, the Best missile technology, the Best Subs, Very comitent generals, and a very nationalist population. Yet they lost. The world did not react militarly to Germany untill after they invaded 3 countries, as the USA/ Iran will be the third country we will invade... What will the rest of the world do? anything? nothing? who knows.

I also believe the war on terror is the beginnings of WW3 and IMHO will end in a huge nuclear exchange.

That's bullcrap. Germany never had the edge in aircraft, the British did (spitfire anybody?), Britain was producing more tanks and planes in 1939 than Germany was (and in the later war years as well), the Soviets had miracle weapons such as the Katyusha,the Stalin tank, and the T-34, they outnumbered the Germans 8 to 1, they had Winter on their side which disrupted German supply lines, the Luftwaffe was soundly defeated in the battle of Britain thus giving the allies air superiority for the last 3 years of the war (and threatening German production which had to be moved undeground- imagine how expensive that is), for every Panther tank produced by the Germans you had 5 shermans, not enough V-2s were produced to be threatening (in fact, producing V-2s was a nightmare in 1945, more people died in the factories making them then were killed by them). Also German Subs might have been good, but they were also soundly defeated due to the invention of Radar, a cheap effective means to prevent wolfpacks from reaching your ships. So no- Germany never really had that big an edge, certainly not the one America currently has. The Muslim dream of defeating American armies is precisely that- a pipedream, a fantasy. Fiction.

[edit on 6-5-2006 by Nakash]

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Hi Heckman How arrogant of you to think I am jealous of you or any American. Its to be expected I suppose, that's the trouble with some of you, you dont like hearing what is not pro American. You do not like hearing the truth, only your version of it. America today is seen as an aggressor by many people (just as we were with our empire). America in modern times has never been attacked or invavded so how well will you stand up to it when or if it comes either it be by EU, China, Russia, the mexicans (they might want New Mexico back). How well will you cope, no fighters available on 9/11, good job you were not invaded that day. How good are you at fighting defensively rather than offensively.
How arrogant for Americans to say only certain people can have nuclear weapons but not others. America is the only country to use atomic weapons against an unprotected civillian target, and no it was not used to save American lives it was about trying out the new technology. Your goverment is telling you lies to give you reasons to attack other countries who are no threat to you. You cannot have it bothways Heckman your telling me how capable America is so why do you or your goverment see these third world countries as a threat. Why should Iran or Korea want to attack America thats the question you should ask yourself. Maybe they are quite happy in the way they live and do not want American influence in their countries. Remember when Bush said any country that supports a terrorist group who attacks America then we will attack that country. Some American's supported the IRA financialy, do you think we would have had a just cause to bomb America using the same reasons. As for facts I have given them to you in my previous posting, and yes you are being beaten financially by the EU and China , check the figures. When you go shopping again check how many goods are from China or the EU, the more you buy of these products the quicker your economy will unraval. I know you find it unpalatable to see America taking a back seat but hey sh-t happens.

HAHA yea the kennedys supported the ira so what. Iam irish i didnt care. You didnt bomb us becuase you couldnt and cant. We were the power back then you were just like you are now americas wingman. China has not taking over financially where are you getting that we have a way higher gdp. We also still have one bigger than your group of 25 nations. Even if the eu had a bigger gdp it wouldnt matter because we are one country so when we say we have a gdp of 12 trillion we actaully mean it. Which means we have more money ,whats 12 trillion divided by 1 its 12. I wonder what 25 divided by 12 is??? So when the eu is actaully one country. Or when i see a single country getting close not a group of 25. If russia,china, or the eu tried to invade your ships wouldnt even get to shore to let your troops off. THe navy would sink your ships way before that. What reason would china have to invade us, we buy all their #, there is no other market that can take the usa place. so nice try it would be military and econ suicide. It was a airliner it wasnt planes coming across the ocean to hit us, its not where near the same. So was britain invaded when they blew up your train stations what about spain were they invaded to.

[edit on 6-5-2006 by shortmanx5]

Originally posted by shortmanx5

Flame EU, Flame EU, Flame EU.

[edit on 6-5-2006 by shortmanx5]

Just focus on this, it clarifies your pointless talk.

Average IQ of someone from:
Germany: 107
Netherlands: 107
Poland: 106
Sweden: 104
Italy: 102
UK: 100
Belgium: 99
US: 98
Canada: 97
Turkey: 90





[edit on 6-5-2006 by Mdv2]

America is the only country to use atomic weapons against an unprotected civillian target, and no it was not used to save American lives it was about trying out the new technology.

the cities if hiroshima and nagasaki were NOT " unprotected civilian targets " , please stop lying .

the aim point of hirosima , was hiroshima castle -- the sector army head quaters -- both cities were garrison toowns -- and had anti aircraft defences and were on a war footing .

why are you so fixated on the A-bomb strikes -- neither caused as many casualties as the tokyo firebomb raids

so perversley -- the a-bomb saved both american and japanese lives

without the atom bomb , the USAAF would have contunuted hundred bomber incendary raids , day after day , the USN vlockade would have been tightened

without the atom bomb -- the atiitudes of the japanese general staff would have remained pro war -- and horohito would not have been heard --

[ blatant speculation ] without the a-bomb , the coup against horohito may have been persued [ /blatant speculation ]

so yes - the a-bomb strikes did save both american AND japanes lives

I must have a low iq since i made a typo. I see your reasoning here. You couldnt even come up with an agruement , so you attack my iq lol. I dont claim to be the smartest person or have i said people in the usa are smarter than others. Yet it doesnt really have any baring of what we are talking about. Asians are smart but we are still more powerful. Its not how smart you are. I wonder how many of those people with high iq's come to america for bussiness, and stay here. the smart ones in canada come down to the usa to make money and get into bussiness. So as long as we still got the money and power the smart people to here to work for us.

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You really don't have a clue, have you?

What's the link between your IQ and foreigners moving to the States? Do you really think foreigners go to the US because they love to live in harmony with people like you?

Fortunately, not all Americans are like you. I know some in personal, (exchange students) and they are great people. However, people with these arrogant 'I don't care', and principally ignorant attitudes like yours, make the US hated.

Guys like you currently become the reflection of the American people. Be proud on it!

Quoting – Please Review This Link.


[edit on 5/8/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

Very interesting IQ stats!! I have for quite some time believed the US educational system needs to be revamped!!! Especially in the area of advanced education (collage level).

Well, IQ tests have poor validity in my opinion, they favour white protestant children. The Stanford-Binet for example was designed by a racist, and for 20 years you could only administer one if you were affiliated with him. That's the reason why Jews and Blacks are always on the low end. The tests have a bias towards spatial reasoning and Verbal ability, as well as clear cultural biases (ie: why should a child from Turkey know what happens in the 4th of July?) Binet had the better idea in just making it a measure of mental age (in fact, according to the testing paradigm given, a 50 year old is "dumber" than a 30 year old, which is ridiculous). Never been that much a fan of psychometrics. Since I was a psych student when I took my SATs though, I knew all the tricks to get high scores. The best ones are:

1)Ask for a tester of your skin colour (sounds ridiculous right? Well, research shows that if your white you'll get a higher score from a white tester, black from a black tester, chinese a better score from a chinese tester, and so forth)

2) Practice with the tests themselves (the tests measure for the most part your skill in taking the tests, so doing as many SATs possible will give you a much higher score)

3) Answer ALL questions (they don't subtract a 1/4 point for wrong answers, that's bull# they feed to people to lower scores)

4) While practicing with the tests look for patterns in the questions. See what they are attempting to test you for (Verbal reasoning? Logic? Spatial ability?)

Using these tricks I aced my SAT

ah lordy , this idiocy has now degenerated into a " our iq is higher than yours " pissing contest .

here read this :

iq_and _nations

pay very close attention to the critique chapter , it s a clear case of " lies , dammed lies and statistics "

reading from the wikipedia site -- such assertions as ` nepal = IQ 78 ` , are IMHO total bollix

iq tscores are more about the ability to take iq tests , than any real measure of intelligence

Originally posted by Nakash
Well, IQ tests have poor validity in my opinion, they favour white protestant children.

Its not racist its just that blacks dont go take school seriously , i mean the poor ones which is most of them.I would like to see it broken down by race. Of course ours is gonna be lower he have 13 % blacks and more than half live in poverty. thats hardly the fault of the nation.

*Trimmed excessive quoting*

[edit on 8-5-2006 by dbates]

Originally posted by Mdv2

You really don't have a clue, have you?

What's the link between your IQ and foreigners moving to the States? Do you really think foreigners go to the US because they love to live in harmony with people like you?

Fortunately, not all Americans are like you. I know some in personal, (exchange students) and they are great people. However, people with these arrogant 'I don't care', and principally ignorant attitudes like yours, make the US hated.

Guys like you currently become the reflection of the American people. Be proud on it!

no they come to usa to make money, our econ is better than the countries in europe thats why they come. I dont care if they live in harmony with me? i have nothin againist them coming here. Arrogant is a bad thing, ive been like that my whole life and i dont plan on changing. Why shouldnt i be , iam american,white, educated, got money, why not. Why would i change because people from europe dont like me, lol.

[edit on 6-5-2006 by mrwupy]
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[edit on 5/8/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

The topic of this thread is:

How would the US fare in the next world war?

Could we please remain on topic?

wupy

Originally posted by verymad
i think that if england went agaisnt the usa in this war the usa would take one hell of a beating because of us. We probably woudnt beat you unless we had some really good plan but we would really hurt you

lol we would stip england of it's army in 2 days.

[edit on 7-5-2006 by NegativeBeef]

dont remember saying anything about carts idoit. Dont tell me to go read up on it, lol brilliant generals , yea those wars they've fought must have taught them. I think brilliant is over doing it, for a country that has been involved in a major war since before ww2 and during. and by involved i mean got slaughtered. Yes china has a capaple brown water navy, nothing to threat the usa. And yes compared to other nations its a good airforce, but not when you compare it to the usaf. You need to stop over estimating them, everyone acts like this is a new russia. it cnat fight a war away from them homeland, and it has about the same amount of nukes and france. so its not like they are a huge power... once again there a regional power.

Don't be an idiot... I am not overestimating China AT ALL. All I said was that China has a well trained army and a capable air force, navy and leaders. THAT IS NOT overestimating WHATSOEVER.

YOU however, speak as if China's tactics for war is by sending in hundreds of thousands of peasants with AKs. Now... that is complete ignorance and underestimation.

Your right... China's air force and navy are not as great as the United States'... HOWEVER, to even THINK that China's airforce and navy will be easy to cut through is completely stupid. They are capable of giving the U.S. air force and navy hell and anything less is truly underestimating them.

Even if the U.S. has a superior navy and airforce... SO WHAT? Is that what won the Vietnam war? As according to a repoter at that time " We did not lose the battle in the Mekong Valley, we lost the battle in the Mississippi valley." Do you honestly think that the American public will support a war against one of the most powerful armies in the world? Don't be ridiculous, even now in a war against Iraq (uncomparable to China's armed forces) there are constant daily protests for the IMMEDIATE withdrawal of troops.

Ok so then where does china sell all of there goods, which run there econ. they dont import alls they do is export thats not a good postion to be in. Because we can do without the crap from china. But without us there econ goes down the toilet. Thats why there wont be a war for awhile over tawain.

Um.. China's economy is not 100% dependant of selling goods to America. They have a 1.6 billion person economy and it's economy is sustainable. Sure, they will get hit hard by not exporting to the US, but if you know anything about economics, the US would be hit quite hard as well.

And about Taiwan, there isn't a war BECAUSE the KMT party has a landslide control of the Parliament and President Chen is being recalled. And if you know ANYTHING about politics in Taiwan, you would know that the KMT is pro reunification.

Please shortman, don't argue against something you are completely ignorant about.


[edit on 7-5-2006 by k4rupt]

Absolutely. Just as long as it's a face on face battles. But if it's guerilla/insurgency tactis like the one in Iraq and in the past Vietnam, then it's going to be very hard.

I'm with Wupy, KEEP THE THREAD ON TOPIC, ENOUGH OF THE FLAMING

next ww will be:

russia vs all the statilites putin wants back and North Korea on its last legs, china vs the small se asian nations and jungle wars of South America.

6 to 10 years here is would happens

before the world war for a couple years:
The US ordered by isreal attacks Iran causes an upheavel in the muslim world

1. iraq which is in civil war already becomes open civil war between Saudi Arabian and Iran backed forces.
2. isreal is attack for its crimes agianst the palastinians by a suitcase bomber Tele Vive is flatted.
3. Turkey attacks and slaughters the kurds greek realations in cyprus degrade new fighting
4. Syria is blamed by Isreal is is attack which in turn they control lebenon agian
5. Pakistan revolts the government becomes hardliner
6. the us having destroyed the nukes sends more troops to take care of the colony along with the Eu nations they need the oil too.
7. marshal law is declared and the civil war is halted with three areas are carved up.

the aftermath 4-5years the brink:

1. russia putin is still in power becoming more KGB czarish protests the US and EU dealings of Iran and the EU sided former satiltites increasly controls the population.
2. for years putin has been rebuildings its military places spies in every statilite
3. NK ailing with russia declearing a rebirth of the soviet block (much agianst putin's wishes) putin has been giving Nk food for a couple years now.
4. the rift grows between india pakistan and china over kashmir and the islamic gov of pakistan funding the islamic fighters in western china (bombing because wide spread now too much for the chinese to cover up)
5. taiwan buckles under china and china doesnt invade but needs more oil which it lost when iran was attacked
6. china is growing and cracks down on protests and readiness for action plan

the brink:

1. for years the nations around venzula and in the south part of sa have had a cold war but venz buying russian fighters causes an arms race.
2. colombia and chile buy buy 120mm armed (previously banned) leapard 2a4s from a third party
3, which causes argentina and others to invest in rockets and missiles some with secret deals with nk and pakistan maybe iran
4. the "drug lords" fighting each grows as they start to side with each others enemy attacking as militias

flashpoint:

1. ukraine splits into port west and east pro and a proxy war erupts with putin's forces moving into the pro terrory and EU forces (first time the new eu army is used) in the west
2. russian gurillas attack russian areas near the lith and other nations blaming terroists putin makes stabs into the defensies of the exsoviet states.
3, china's oil forces come under "pirate" attack in the sea of vietnam thus the chinese navy moves inot to secure all the oil mounds
4, protests make the US navy and colliction of forces move to counter
5. indonesia becomes hasstle agianst the us and other forces using raids to attack shipping witht he help of china
6. NK blaming japan of spying and trying to assasinate KIM lauches SF forces onto japanese soil
7. Russia moves to claim the disputed islands from japan
8. china moves om japanese island west of japan

boom:

1. a pakistan force attacks indians in forces in kashmir with hit in run tactics
2. missiles and rounds are fired appon chines and us led forces in se asia
3. australia is bombed by islamic fighters from indo fight breaks out between islam and australia
4. japan while fighting russia and china is attacked by nk missile as the sf nk forces bomb civils
5. south korea is invaded
6. russia invades finland and other former terrories including the EU held areas
7. the open fighting of the drug milititas becomes open fighting military conflicts across SA and africa
8. the US is locked down the border is built after an "uprising of imgrants" and attacks by gangs increases on border states.

during the ww:

1. the rationing of everything stats in the us and eu
2. russian backed pro soviet forces start off by winning battles early as the EU realizes the full threat and moves
3. thers is a long draw out series of battles on the sea and in the philipeans and indosenia against china and islam
4. open conflicti between india and pakistan with india pooring troops to fight for full control of kasmir
5. the middle east explodes the us is forced out and isreal is attacked on all sides her nukes never getting off the round
6. japan fights back china and russia and invades nk along with south korea but its bloody and the economy of the area is ruined
7. oils is runing out the world grinds to a halt 8 years of war depletes all of the major powers for no real gain and oils is all but gone

statemate and world crash

1. the us russian eu china india middle east economies all crash from the fighting and lack of oil
2. the fighting slows to a halt desiese spreads the un crumbles

new world order
1. the fighting creates a World council bent on preventing this sort of destruction agian by government.

the US after the ww doesnt exist but is replaced with the USNA United States of North America: Canada, US and Mexico

the USCCA United states of Central and Carribean America

the USSA - Untied states of South America

all 3 zones falling under the DWEH -District of Western Economic Hemisphere

Europe and Africa falling under the District of the Central Economic Hemisphere

the middles east russia china indian subcon and se falling under the Asian Economic Zone

AUS japan Korea indo philipeans tiawan island under the Pacific Economic Zone

the 4 parts make the THE WORLD COUNCIL OF TERRA aka the United Federation of Earth

Originally posted by k4rupt

Ok so then where does china sell all of there goods, which run there econ. they dont import alls they do is export thats not a good postion to be in. Because we can do without the crap from china. But without us there econ goes down the toilet. Thats why there wont be a war for awhile over tawain.

Um.. China's economy is not 100% dependant of selling goods to America. They have a 1.6 billion person economy and it's economy is sustainable. Sure, they will get hit hard by not exporting to the US, but if you know anything about economics, the US would be hit quite hard as well.

Sorry to burst your bubble, China's economy is unsustainable withouth their $US100+ billion trade surplus with the US. Both economies have become interdependant on each other. The US needs its cheap commercial goods and the Chinese need the hard currency so they can buy what they need - military equipment, strategic minerals etc.
They are both each others largest trading partners, to say one could do without the other shows a complete lack of economic knowledge.