Amazing UFO footage from Secret KGB UFO Files

Hmm. An interesting topic (and I'm not usually into UFO topics).

I'm kind of in the middle. I don't know rather or not the video is fake, and I could care less... But it's still damn interesting. I just finished reading about the man that hacked into NASA's website and claims to have found evidence of UFOs. So, I came onto this website to see if you guys were talking about that yet and possibly get updated on the old John Titor story while I'm here (hey, I haven't visited this site in months. give me a break). Then, I ran into this topic.

While reading the topic, I started looking at everyones keypoints as they were presented. I think there are some very interesting keypoints in determining rather or not this video is fake.

Some key points that have been presented that I think are valuable in determining rather or not the video is fake:

- The pilots helmet. Does it in fact follow the object? (See Musclors post)
- The objects shadow. Is the shadow real or not? Fanatic stated earlier that the shadow seems to disappear in the last 5 frames before the object disappears into the clouds. By the way, someone provided instructions earlier on how to look at the frame to frames in windows media (Enhancements > Play speed settings). You should definatly look into that if you plan on taking your chances at determining if the video is fake or not.
- Does the object disappear too soon? Personally, after looking at the video frame by frame, I don't think it does.
- The F-16. Someone stated earlier that the F-16 looks like a toy (this would be ruled out if it turns out the pilots helmet does move with the object). However, this could be a valid arguement considering that it was a common technique in the 80's.
- The object. To the naked eye, the object is nothing more then a black dot. The object could be almost anything. A bird, a plane, superman, etc. If the video were to be determined real, then the new arguement would be "what is the object?".

And a few points that I want to add:

- The F-16's color. I could be a complete moron, but why does the F-16's color seem inverted? Darker on the top, lighter on the bottom. Considering where the plane is in the sky and where the camera is shooting from, I would think that it would be the other way around (light on the top, dark on the bottom. Or partially dark on the top, partially dark on the bottom, and lighter in the middle).
- The other arguement about the actual video. I'm surprised nobody has presented this yet, but on other sites there is talk about the video that this was taken from. Supposedly, some of the russian scientists that were interviewed were real, but they thought they were being interviewed for something else. Also, many of the newspapers and books in the video have never existed. One person also said on another website that there were people that have stepped forward that thought they were playing a part in a movie during one scene of the video. I don't know how true that is.

Good watch. Interesting Clip.

Just watched the clip frame by frame and to me the shadow just doesn't look right at all even in normal speed.

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Well!!

Unless, i see an alien with my own eyes, i will not trust anyone, who tells aliens exist. Well, if i have to believe their existance...

How come, aliens, land just on few selective places, and are never seen/sighted in places like INDIA, RUSSIA, and many countries in ASIA?

If they could travel as far as the earth, from their planet, containing life, then, why did they not tour the earth?

Are they too shy, not to show their faces, to people, on some countries?

Or, are they the americans, playing a clown, to the world?

I`m infact open minded....
But, how long could i keep my mind open, without any real stuff?
It`s all a hoax.

These days, any1 could possible create a movie, using a computer, a recording studio, and any 3D software.....

And, we are the people getting fooled.

Are all mysteries are confined to Nevada, and the US?

How the hell?

Originally posted by ananth85

Are all mysteries are confined to Nevada, and the US?

How the hell?

Oh my friend, i despair when i hear comments like that.
This site is dedicated to denying ignorance, so please before you post comments like that, do some research.
www.google.com... &ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2005-45,RNWE:en&q=ufo+asia

An easy example is just to google it.

UFO's are spotted all over the place, by all sorts of different people from the "globe".

Check out NASA's own footage, debatable yes, but there even spotted in space.

Keep watching the sky's....

www.areadownload.com... 20Jet%20SSC.mpeg

Very similar, thoughts comments.

Watch the camera man/woman follow the UFO then back onto the airplane.

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Originally posted by Denied
Need to be brought up to the surface of the UFO topic.
This is taken from a documentary regarding the soviet UFO side, and is one of the best ones ive seen.

With footage like this, how can people say its a hoax?

Can they?

Ofcause they can. Tell a 5 year old his dad is not superman, and watch the arguments roll. The trap is getting caught in trying to convince them. Look. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, so just go search for the truth on your own terms, it's quite wonderful, when nobody has to agree.

This earth is swarmed by visitors, waiting for the human conciousness to evolve. I'm sure you've already checked out David Sereda and the Disclosure Project and those info speak for themselves.

Anything can be debunked in the public concensus. The earth is round claim was once debunked and laughed at, and yet...

It's hard to find the truth, but trying to reach a concensus with those who will hear nothing of it, doesn't help you much.

It's a wonderful and incredible reality were are closing our eyes to her on earth, you can start just by opening yours (like it sounds you already have) and simply enjoy it. Tell others they don't have to agree and that you respect their opinion, but that you at the same time have a right to have your own opinion.

....oh my God....it's full of stars....

We have visitors....


Sincerely

Cade

As a whole we are not evolved enough emotionally and mentally to enter a new phase in human history with an extraterrestrial influence.

It is frustrating though, for me Aliens exist, it just hasn't been publicly accepted yet by governments etc, that's my opinion, and I'm sure people will have very different ones to me as well.

Originally posted by ananth85
Well!!

Unless, i see an alien with my own eyes, i will not trust anyone, who tells aliens exist.

Fair enough.

How come, aliens, land just on few selective places, and are never seen/sighted in places like INDIA, RUSSIA, and many countries in ASIA?

I've been interested in this question since I starting thinking about this last year. But I'm not qualified to answer the question itself.

If they could travel as far as the earth, from their planet, containing life, then, why did they not tour the earth?

This question contains an inherent fallacy, that of anthropomorphism. We cannot think of anything alien in terms of motivation. Motivation is a human trait. Why do green sea turtles travel across the ocean to mate on a particular beach? Alien behavior might be even more exotic.

Are they too shy, not to show their faces, to people, on some countries?

Again, this is argument is based on anthropomorphism. I realize you are partially joking with this question. But none-the-less, assessing alien behavior as a factor in its incredibility, based on human behavioral assumptions, is empty.

But I understand your point. Again, the fundamental question is whether or not the phenomena is only known in certain countries. This is the fundamental point that needs to be addressed.

Or, are they the americans, playing a clown, to the world?

Personally, I would appreciate if you would differentiate between "Americans" and our "leadership". We are not the same thing. Now, as for our collective passivity even after the exposure of our government's manipulation.....I personally think this is a combination of passivity due to standards of living (which are excellent for most) and a nieve insistance on trusting Daddy (the government.)

I`m infact open minded....

Then I would challenge you to consider that rare phenomena might exist. While phenomenology may be an impractical trap, it is not necessarily ill founded.

But, how long could i keep my mind open, without any real stuff?

The key would be to interview people who have seen stuff. Keep in mind, it isn't necessarily of alien origin.

It`s all a hoax.

This, I believe, is an incorrect statement.

A police officer who stays up all night in the office typing up a report of what he (and many other independent police officers saw) is not, in my mind, a likely hoaxer. That just isn't hoaxer behavior. We all know how a chronic liar behaves.

Now, were the policemen in Illinois, USA, mass hallucinating? I doubt it.

They saw something. It was unconventional. Is it a military craft? Possibly.

But I also tend to believe that the helicopter crews, airplane crews, ex Presidents, Astronauts, and military officials are not disinformation agents nor hallucinators nor hoaxers.

So we disagree on that point.

There are, of course, other possible psychological explanations, but I am not inclined towards those at this point. That may change with time, but I am not there yet.

I still seek an answer to your original point about the nature of sightings being in particular cultures.

Now, as for reports of Greys, human aliens, etc, I have no opinion on any of that.

As for UFO sightings of saucer and triangular craft: I think that there have been enough credible observers for me to believe it would be a fallacy on my part to discount the pheonomena. These observations, unlike ghost stories, are not vauge feelings and fleeting shadows. They are directly observed objective phenomena, but only caught by individuals.

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Originally posted by helium3

How can you not understand if this is an actual UFO why would if conform to our laws of physics ?. I could never understand why people continue to draw comparison with a alien science they have no clue on ?. Its like me saying "nah man that video of bigfoot IS SOOO FAKE, he walk more like this..." get my point ?

Also when certain astronomers say things like "the distance between stars is so vast it would a spacecraft thousands of years to reach earth" - Yes, it would take US thousands of years with our current technology but how the hell can we say that a civilisation that has been around for 100,000 years or more than ours would not have solved the problems of inter-stellar travel? There is no reason why General Relativity should not be proved wrong or modified in the centuries to come, just as almost every scientific theory has.

Originally posted by Denied
www.areadownload.com... 20Jet%20SSC.mpeg
Very similar, thoughts comments.

Why is the frame speed sped up? To show the UFO better? If the UFO is so obvious, and the cameraman apparently has a zoom lens (assumed from the first, regular speed shot), why doesn't he zoom in on the UFO when it becomes noticed? I know I would. Jets are boring. UFOs are cool.

Originally posted by Cade
This earth is swarmed by visitors, waiting for the human conciousness to evolve.

I guess I don't have enough consciousness to know what you even mean by this. I feel my consciousness is plenty evolved, thankyouverymuch.

Originally posted by Hermes Trismegitus

Originally posted by Cade
This earth is swarmed by visitors, waiting for the human conciousness to evolve.

I guess I don't have enough consciousness to know what you even mean by this. I feel my consciousness is plenty evolved, thankyouverymuch.

well we wouldn't want to disagree with your own assessments. However just know that we would really LIKE to disagree


Sincerely

Cade

interesting video, but I cant really make out what the object is. It looks like it could be another plane, but it does dive really fast.



Some of my questions are:

How come you never see the tail section of the F16? Was the mig pilot able to match his airspeed tha perfectly?? Someone mentioned it looked like a toy F16 so that made me wonder if thats how the F16 is being held? If you were to film a toy plane like shown in the video you could hold it by the tail but no one would be able to see that. I'm not saying thats what this video is, but the thought crossed my mind so I figured I'd throw it out there.

What is the light is that blinks for a fraction of a second just below and to the rear or left of the UFO??

It about 2-3 seconds in just as the word Helium 3 disappers from the top and the UFO appears from behind the cloud. It also shows again at about 16 seconds in the slow motion view.








[edit on 11-5-2006 by warpboost]

A cruise missile. They are long, grey and have tiny wings, and fly exactly like that.

Makes sense that the US pilot would be looking at it, and the MiG pilot, filming them.

It's possible also that a real video was artificially altered to make the object look less identifiable.

People here seem to think that for an aircraft to descend in altitude it must be "pointing" down.

This is incorrect.

All that has to happen is for the lift to be less than gravity, and the altitude will decrease.

This can happen quite easily without pointing down.

The angle upwards (angle of attack) plus the shape of the wings plus the thrust added determine overall lift.

You have all experienced this as well. Commercial aircraft, upon landing, are tilted upwards and yet their overall flight path is downard in altitude.

Hence it is very possible, and in fact likely, for an aircraft to maintain horizontal attitude and yet "fall" like that does.

A slight change in attitude or thrust or both could easily do that.

Consider another fact---the UFO (and I mean Unidentified, and not necessarily ET) must of course be flying forward at nearly exactly the same speed as the other aircraft.

Why would ETs be doing that? Where are they going and why at the same direction and speed and just descending in altitude?

It seems more likely to me that they are looking at another aircraft on maneuvers with them, or (my favorite) watching a cruise missile on exercises, a missile that they knew would be there.

Originally posted by onbekend59

Originally posted by Drexon
Looks fake to me. The shadow on the cloud, the animation, doesn't look too good to me.

Been checking the vid at a very low speed and i cant see any major flaw that would prove that someone altered this vid visually.The shadow on the clouds looks very real to me.No doubt that it was really there.

if it casts a shadow, it is solid, right ?

then why is there no effect on the cloud when the object moves through it ????

Nice UFO,Pics?,wrong place?

So does anyone have any idea what that light to the bottom left of the UFO could be? I posted a screenshot with the light circled a few posts above so you can see what I'm asking about.

You can see the shadow on the clouds.

A dark triangle craft.

See more here:

airlinemusic.mysite.com...

and on various other pages.

Any more from KGB like the ones from Antarctica?

Saucers at that time. Triangle have same motor arrangement as the
Haunebu II.

Very interesting!
Without the "insider" detail, radar, pilots dialog, ect., we are left again to trust our eyes, and beliefs...something our kind has had a hard time doing for a few thousand years now on almost every topic.
Admit I waffle back and forth on the UFO, balloons and hoxes really turn me off, distance of stars from us..but like poster said, future technology might make that problem a moot point. Police reports, pilots, radar, as multiple sightings pull me back in again.
This might be the most interesting times for us, not really knowing...and reminds me of the old saying, be careful what we wish for...
On a lighter note, if disclosure of visitors really does happen in our life times, can you imagine going back over all the old vids and pics...