May 1 Protest -Will it hurt or help illegals?

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"There will be 2 to 3 million people hitting the streets in Los Angeles alone. We're going to close down Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Tucson, Phoenix, Fresno," said Jorge Rodriguez, a union official who helped organize earlier rallies credited with rattling Congress as it debates the issue.

Immigration has split Congress, the Republican Party and public opinion. Conservatives want the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants classified as felons and a fence built along the Mexican border.

Do you think this will help or hurt? I am not sure. This may cause further problems and more divide among the people here.

[edit on 28-4-2006 by dgtempe]

I don't think this will do anything but have the continuing effect of showing the problem of the fact that neither side to this issue is going to back down.

These immigrant and immigrant-proponents are not going to budge on their position... and the conservatives, racist bigots included, aren't going to just suddenly decide to negotiate.

I don't think this rally will have any short-team significance to the issue... but it shows that we've got a huge problem here and regardless of which side one takes, a reasonable person has to see that we are going to have real trouble with this one. Might be the deciding issue in '08.

If they are illegal they do should not have the right to protest,and it should be veiwed as terroist acts

I've tried to stay fairly neutral and keep an open mind on this issue, but this pushes me farther towards the "deport 'em all" camp. I really don't think that could be a good idea, even if it could be accomplished without mass riots, but how many of the people protesting even have the right to protest. Any illegal protesting doesn't have the legal right to assembly in this country. How's that for irony...

I don't advocate kicking these people out, but we can't just bend over backwards to give them whatever they want either. That would be like telling everyone who wants to come here illegally that there's absolutely no downside to doing so.

deadcats read my mind and beat me to the punch LOL

[edit on 4/28/2006 by yadboy]

While I can understand their belief that they need some kind of protest so their collective voices can be heard, they need to be very careful. One outcome of their goal to boycot American goods, not show up for work, school etc. could be a realization that the American economy can do quite well without them. If there are no major disruptions to bussiness, no significant drops in a stores monetary intake, many people may simply say "Hey, we didn't notice any bad effects resulting from their protest, maybe we should boot them out of the country."

It will hurt them. Who they hell are they to DEMAND rights when they are here illegally. THey HAVE NO RIGHTS.

I received this email today and it made my blood boil. Now, these stats are from 1997. Can you imagine how much more the numbers have gone up since they illegally enter by the THOUSANDS every single day.

Here are some recent statistics gathered from LA times articles forwarded to me by a fiend of like thinking. This proves conclusively that sending them all back would save billions of dollars. I'd rather pay for expensive fruits and vegetalble rather than what they are doing to our Nation.

From the L. A Times

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County (L. A. County has 10 million people)

are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are
predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal
aliens.

4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien
Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican
nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in
garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely

illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak
Spanish (10.2 million people in L. A. County).

(All 10 from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on
welfare.

Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of
California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET
(after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor
Donald Huddle, Rice University].

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the
average
adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

Just watch the "demonstrations" and listen to the Villaraigosas of
Southern California, they want a Mexican Government in much of the United
States. He and many now in California Government were "Demonstrators" in
the 60's. Their radical agendas then are unchanged now. They want you
"old white fogeys" out of the "Aztlan" territories and they want to be
part of Mexico. They deny this vehemently, but you only need look at their
signs and banners in recent demonstrations all over this country but most
particularly in Los Angeles. The following sites are just the surface of
the opposition this nation and its true supporters face today. Take a look
and learn about your enemies. Loving these enemies will earn you nothing
but obscurity and loss of your nation.


Some enemy web sites:


www.azteca.net... ; www.maldef.org... ;
www.fightbacknews.org...

Dg, been a Latino woman I may agree or disagree with all the protest.

If they want to have their May 1 parade and make it a holiday in their own opinion, I mean the immigrants let them have it.

I will go on business as usual and I will go shopping if I have to as usual, it means nothing to me.

And for making a Holiday I disagree is not my holiday and is not the American people's holiday.

I don't even celebrate El Cinco De Mayo because is not my holiday plain and simple.

The only ones that will be hurt are the ones that depend in their income to survive and that is most of illegals in our country.

As I am a Canadian and avid American news watcher. I am actually more concerned with the rally than any other issue of the week. I don't really have a SIDE opinion but all I can say is whatever happens people will be angry! I think only because of human nature this will turn out bad. The Idea of shutting down cities and causing a mass disruption is only going to anger legal Americans (I used the word legal Americans because I think more than just Rednecks are going to be angry).

The rally in my opinion is what is going to be the problem. You can put 100 people in a small room and tell to act responible. I can almost say for sure someone will accidently nudge someone or have a differing view and something bad will happen.

Now put 3 million people into the street marching and chanting an already controvercial topic and see what happens
Just my opinion but I think Monday May 1st 2006 being the start of something horrible.

Good Luck America and all its people
Peace

I believe this is only going to hurt their cause more to be honest. This will undoubtly bring an enormous amount of publicity to an already issue that is in the headlines. This will affect alot of people in the area and will frustrate them to no end. I have tried to stay alittle neutral myself even leaning towards immigration from time to time but this is going to create even more friction between the aliens and American citizens.

Even if they are granted their citizenship, will they be accepted into the society? I see a backlash from some Americans in resent of this.

My only problem with this issue is that from time to time people begin to forget these people are humans. Regardless of descent, or if they are right or wrong, they are still people and deserve our respect. If they are deported so be it, but they are still human beings and we can not forget that.

[edit on 28-4-2006 by chissler]

Originally posted by chissler
My only problem with this issue is that from time to time people begin to forget these people are humans. Regardless of descent, or if they are right or wrong, they are still people and deserve our respect. If they are deported so be it, but they are still human beings and we can not forget that.

No, we can not. I think most people have respect for the illegal immigrants, as human beings, including yours truly. I think that utmost respect should be exercised when the illegals are deported from USofA. Every law enforcement officer conducting this operation will be polite, professional and full of respect to the deportees.


[edit on 28-4-2006 by Aelita]

Originally posted by deadcatsrule
If they are illegal they do should not have the right to protest,and it should be veiwed as terroist acts

You are in fear of people protesting something they are not happy with, how bizzare.

You can only blame your government for not protecting their borders, you can also blame your commercial sector for employing them in the first place, had they not been employed they would not be there imo.

Finally blame yourself for using their service.

My mother, who lives in Phoenix, told me that the church she volunteers at taking care of kids, will be locked down for the day. She says she heard that the latinos will be actively looking in places for hispanics. She wants no part of is, she is an American citizen and at 79 yrs old, she most definatedly doesnt want to be involved in a potentially dangerous situation. The Phoenix police department suggested they be locked all day, just in case.

My mother is like me, she thinks as long as the law is to comply by coming here legally, they should be here legally.

I'll let you all know if a problem arises there, and keep you all to date.

You know, if they all moved BACK to Mexico, demanded better wages and did the same labor jobs, they could have some awesome construction projects, restaurants and hotels. This way you could rebuild you economy. It would also release 2 million jobs for lazy welfare Americans who are too proud to work for 7 bucks an hour, but OK with accepting that check each month. If I was an employer, I would not allow my workers to go for fear of losing all my employees.

I just hope that tensions are not raised to stupid levels in some areas of the country.

OO I think this will have a bad ending.

This situation is just boiling. The news has been telling of how these illegals are are pushing the National Anthum in Spanish, and people are not taking that well. On Paul Harvey the other day he was telling how the Mexicans treated illegals in their country. To sum it up and save all from the icky details, they do not stand for it and are down right brutal. Then, there was also that story of how they hung the Mexican flag above the upside down American flag......I feel they are pushing it. I am afraid that there will be a lot of extremists who will see this march as an invasion. If they are marching to shut down these towns that day, they are pushing a war that no one wants. I really feel that most Americans have had enough of the situation. Most views I run into are the same. If you want to come to America, great, welcome, its a great country, but make it legal. Stop trying to screw us over for lack of a better term.

I really dont think this will end well at all.

Originally posted by esdad71
I just hope that tensions are not raised to stupid levels in some areas of the country.

As I live in the southern California area, I am concerned for the violence which may erupt here. We have a divided city, and as an earlier post stated, there is a lot of illegal immigrants living in the area...This has the potential to end with lots of violence, and I, for one, am not looking forward to the first of May.

Regards,
Aimless

Originally posted by esdad71
You know, if they all moved BACK to Mexico, demanded better wages and did the same labor jobs, they could have some awesome construction projects, restaurants and hotels. This way you could rebuild you economy. It would also release 2 million jobs for lazy welfare Americans who are too proud to work for 7 bucks an hour, but OK with accepting that check each month. If I was an employer, I would not allow my workers to go for fear of losing all my employees.

I just hope that tensions are not raised to stupid levels in some areas of the country.

I thoroughly see your point and agree with you!
Just what is the matter with Vicente Fox, and where are they getting this feeling of entitlement? But Esdad, you have to admit that since Bush & Fox are tight, in a way you cant really blame them- They are getting mixed messages here. On the one hand, Bush wants them to stay and work something out. On the other hand the people want legalization. They are getting the message from our president.
If Bush had done something about the borders by now, somehow i think they would start to get the message.
Mixed messages are a trait in this government when it comes to illegals. Nobody knows what to do.
I submit to you, that offices should be set us across the united states so that illegals can go and register as illegals-Give them maybe 6 months to do this. This way WE dont have to go looking for them. Then, when everyone is supposedly registered, the government should send the appropriate paper work to them to fill and start the ball rolling towards work permits, a probation period which they should meet, then citizenship.
For those who will not check in and fill out the initial paperwork, then that percentage can be charged with a non-complyment felony and be deported. It would be much easier to deport 1 million, than 15 million.

I agree the laws need an overhaul, but i am also peeved that seemingly, these people think proper documentation does not apply to them. That's what makes me angry.
I also hope they are smart enough to protest very peacefully and not get out of hand- to do that would be suicide for them.

Excuse me. no idea why the double post.

[edit on 28-4-2006 by The Links]

I agree with MauiStacey's point in that THEY ARE ILLEGAL! What are they protesting? They have no rights as citizens of the USA because they aren't! I'm not saying they don't have rights as human beings. They should not be here in the first place and anyone who breaks the law should get punished, in this case, send them packing.

If they want citizen rights then come in through the front door like the rest of us and be proud to be a citizen of the USA. We would welcome you with open arms. Problem is that they want it the easy way. Break in, get all the benefits of citizneship, and pay no consequences. And then they have the balls to protest... Gimme a break.

To me this is like stealing and not only getting away with it, but protesting because I want to kick you out of my home. Sotrry, but they are wrong... PERIOD.

I think this will make things worse for them and I hope it does. By the way, does anyone know of any anti-illegal (pro-immigration enforcement) protests going on? Preferablly in Milwaukee, WI area?

I'm thinking it will hinder them in some aspects,it gives others a reason to hate and point fingers,do it on time off,I see repricussions from it

I think it will hurt their cause. Even if they don't get violent, I imagine some people will. And that will reflect on the 'protesters'.

I can't take a firm position on this issue. I am on one side, then the other then firmly on the fence. I feel like an observer.

I just hope no one gets hurt...