Not many people here seem to like rap. Whats you opinion on rap?

Originally posted by urmomma158

bias yet again. You're on of those people that only listens to what is played on MTV what igorance!!! Rock is old, dead, not o mention garbage. Rap is for the new generation. What do SAt scores have anything to do with RAP why did you bring it up?

Yeh these are the sort of heroes that put me off rap. Your claiming bias!! read what youve just written Duuuude.

I think Rap is misspelled, it's missing a "C". That being said, I grew up in the Golden Age of Rock, the 70's and I LOVED Body Count. Not really Rap but a mutation of Rock and Rap.

IceT RULES!!!

It just like any other style you have good and bad, on the whole I don't mind a couple of tunes at a time. I like all style of music, country to heavy metal yea and even rap, but it must be good. But then again I'm just an old head-banger

Originally posted by intrepid
I think Rap is misspelled, it's missing a "C". That being said, I grew up in the Golden Age of Rock, the 70's and I LOVED Body Count. Not really Rap but a mutation of Rock and Rap.

IceT RULES!!!

Which is why it's outdated. Im don't wanna start smething here man.

Originally posted by Sauron
It just like any other style you have good and bad, on the whole I don't mind a couple of tunes at a time. I like all style of music, country to heavy metal yea and even rap, but it must be good. But then again I'm just an old head-banger

Now there's momeone with the right attude excellent post.

Originally posted by urmomma158
Which is why it's outdated. Im don't wanna start smething here man.

Things are dated? Good tunes are NEVER out of date, it's just the chillins that can't catch up.

I'm not trying to start something here. Just letting you know that NEW doesn't equal better.

cRap Music. Thats all it is. Boring talentless crap that glorifies ignorance,violence, racial stereotypes. Chanting several obscentities over baselines you ripped off from REAL bands is not talent. Its simplied garbage to stimulate dull minds.

cRap when it first started out was actually new, fresh, and innovative. Old skool, like breakdancing tracks, RunDMC, Beastie Boys, Easy E, Ice T, Sugar Hill Gang, ect. Back then, they really were exploring some new frontiers in music. Very impromptu, informal, and interesting. They were mixing some crazy sh*t that normally didn't mix together. But they pulled it off, and it was good.

Now any idiot with enough gold chains, limited vocabulary, and who can flash supposed gang signs can make millions. It aint an art form anymore.

And even though he was certainly in my generation, I do not understand how anyone can say Tupac was some kind of genuis and poet.

Even 2 Live Crew was more thought provoking than Tupac.

:shk:

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
And even though he was certainly in my generation, I do not understand how anyone can say Tupac was some kind of genuis and poet.

Even 2 Live Crew was more thought provoking than Tupac.

:shk:

Tupac
Cops give a damn about a negro
pull the trigger kill a nigga he's a hero
Give the crack to the kids who the hell cares
one less hungry mouth on the welfare
First ship 'em dope & let 'em deal the brothers
give 'em guns step back watch 'em kill each other
It's time to fight back that's what Huey said
2 shots in the dark now Huey's dead
I got love for my brother but we can never go nowhere
unless we share with each other
We gotta start makin' changes
learn to see me as a brother instead of 2 distant strangers
and that's how it's supposed to be
How can the Devil take a brother if he's close to me?
I'd love to go back to when we played as kids
but things changed, and that's the way it is

Ok Skadi, how long have you lived in the ghetto? I can see how Sugar Hill Gang speaks to you more than Tupac, after all the message of sour macaroni and peas that taste like wood really mean something to the black community. Why bother listening to a message about brotherhood and unity, with lyrics like

"He can't satisfy you with his little worm, but I can bust you out with my super-sperm"

Again, I make the point of listening to things other than Mtv and Clearchannel communications as your source for cultural understanding.



[edit on 2-6-2006 by Rasobasi420]

Mod Edit: Derogatory content removed.


[edit on 12-6-2006 by TheBandit795]

Originally posted by urmomma158

Originally posted by Russian soldier
Like I said, theres different kinds of rap. Some rap DOES reach out to people.

Listening to RIDIN FOR PAC by Guce and Killa Tay. That song's clean.

Not to mention eminems songs reach out like Mockingbird,Mosh, and Whem in Gone. They have some curses but they're highly meaninful.Rap is not all bad and thanks for pointing that out RussianSoldier I appreciate that.Check this out Russian soldier its quite interesting. blogs.sohh.com...

[edit on 2-6-2006 by urmomma158]

Yeah I saw that. I tell EVERYONE that rap is great.

Again, I have to repeat myself, THERE"S DIFFERENT KINDS OF RAP!!!!!!!!!!!NOT ALL OF IT GLORIFIES VIOLENCE, NOT ALL OF IT IS ABOUT RAP. *sniff**sniff* I smell Ignorance. Hey check out my rap on LAST TO POST WINS. Its hella clean. Peace out brothaz.

More Pac

Attempt to reach each and every brother on the streets
If not peace then at least let's get a piece
I'm tired of seeing bodies on the streets- deceased
Lookin' through my highschool yearbook
Reminiscin' of the tears as the years took
One homie, two homie, three homies - POOF
We used to have troops but now there's no more youth to shoot
God come save the misbegotten
Lost ghetto souls of Black Cotton (In God's eyes)

IF you can say nothing else, set aside the beat, this is poetry. It was written from the experience of a black man in the ghetto, who has long been oppressed, and uses words and poetry as his outlet. WHether you like it or not depends on your understanding of where he's coming from.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
More Pac

Attempt to reach each and every brother on the streets
If not peace then at least let's get a piece
I'm tired of seeing bodies on the streets- deceased
Lookin' through my highschool yearbook
Reminiscin' of the tears as the years took
One homie, two homie, three homies - POOF
We used to have troops but now there's no more youth to shoot
God come save the misbegotten
Lost ghetto souls of Black Cotton (In God's eyes)

IF you can say nothing else, set aside the beat, this is poetry. It was written from the experience of a black man in the ghetto, who has long been oppressed, and uses words and poetry as his outlet. WHether you like it or not depends on your understanding of where he's coming from.

Nice one

Here's more Tupac: Dear Mama:You are appreciated...

When I was young, me and my mama had beef
17 years old kicked out on tha streets
though back in tha time, I never thought I'd see her face
ain't a woman alive that can take my momma's place
suspended from school, scared ta go home
I was a fool with tha big boys breaking all tha rules
shed tears with my baby sister
over tha years we wuz poorer than tha other little kids
and even though we had different daddies
tha same drama when things went wrong we blamed mama
I reminised on tha stress I caused, it wuz hell
hugg'en on my mama from a jail cell
and who'ed think in elementary, heeeey i'd see tha penitentiary
One day
running from tha Police, that's right
Momma catch me--put a whoop'en to my backside
and even as a crack fiend mama,
ya always was a black queen mama
I finally understand for a woman
it ain't easy--trying ta raise a man
ya always wuz commited, a poor single mother on welfare,
tell me how ya did it
there's no way I can pay ya back
but tha plan is ta show ya that I understand.
you are appreciated......



Chorus
Laaaaady, don't cha know we luv ya
Sweeeet Laaaady, place no one above ya
Sweeeet Laaaady, don't cha know we luv ya

Ain't nobody tell us it wuz fair
no luv for my daddy, cause tha coward wuzn't there
he passed away and I didn't cry
cause my anger, wouldn't let me feel for a stranger
they say i'm wrong and i'm heartless
but all along I wuz looking for a father--he wuz gone
I hung around with tha thug's and even though they sold drugs
they showed a young brother luv
I moved out and started really hang'in
I needed money of my own so I started slang'in
I ain't guilty cause, even though I sell rocks
It feels good, putting money in your mailbox
I love paying rent when tha rents due
I hope ya got tha diamond necklace that I sent to you
cause when I wuz low, you was there for me
ya never left me alone, cause ya cared for me
and I can see ya coming home after work late
ya in tha kitchen trying ta fix us a hot plate
just working with tha scraps you wuz given
and mama made miracles every Thanksgiving
but now tha road got rough, your alone
trying ta raise two bad kids on your own
and there's no way I can pay ya back
but my plan is ta show ya that I understand
you are appreciated.....
Chorus
Laaaaady, don't cha know we luv ya
Sweeeet Laaaady, place no one above ya
Sweeeet Laaaady, don't cha know we luv ya

pour out some liquor and I remenise
cause through tha drama, I can always depend on my mama
and when it seems that i'm hopeless
you say tha words that can get me back in focus
when I wuz sick as a little kid
ta keep me happy theres no limit to tha things ya did
and all my childhood memories
are full of all tha sweet things ya did for me
and even though I act craaaazy
I got ta thank tha Lord that ya maaaade me
There are no words that can express how I feel
Ya never kept a secret, always stayed real
and I appreciate how ya raised me
and all tha extra love that ya gave me
I wish I could take tha pain away
If you can make it through tha night, there's a brighter day
everything'll be alright if ya hold on
it's a struggle
everyday gotta roll on
and there's no way I can pay ya back
but my plan is ta show ya that I understand
you are appreciated.......
www.lyrics007.com...(Tupac%20Shakur)%20Lyrics/Dear%20Mama%20Lyrics.html

I didn't copy it all. There. What do you think of rap now? Promoting violence or glorifying rape? That's ignorance man, and I have just given you proof.

I CANNOT BELIEVE the back and forth bs going on in here....this is a conspiracy forum, come on now....

Rap and Hip Hop have been used and twisted by the illuminati imo...that's WHY all the mainstream rap (aka, radio, mtv, muchmusic, bet) you see and hear promotes either sex, violence, drug abuse and the such....IMO, the illuminati got a grip on the mainstream rap/hip hop scene after they killed Tupac And Biggie...and yes, I do believe they had the whole eastside/westside debachle set up up...with Suge being Pac's handler, and P. Diddy being Biggy's handler (remember, P.Diddy went to college, got into the producer biz through apprenticeships and what not, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's in cahootz with the elite)....and they had to get rid of Biggie and Tupac, cuz the way things were progressing, them 2 together could have helped start a huge movement amongst the lower class citizens, and the illuminati couldn't have that, atleast not back then, they wouldn't have been able to handle it back then, but now they are more prepared.....

And,any song that happens to get into the mainstream, that actually has something to say, could subtly be being used by the illuminati for different reasons...like, you might here a rap song talking about the illuminati, or the elite...but they will bring "the white man" into the mix...which only helps the illuminati with their racial splitting angle....

serious, I'm honestly very surprised at all the responses in this thread, considering the forum we're on here.....

I guess Im more old school when it comes to rap...I dont know if its me maturing or just the crap on the radio is pretty much the same old stuff now a days. To me, during the early nineties through 2002, there was a lot of new ideas, new expression out there. East coast had its style, west coast had its style...they were different. But as with any business in trying to make money, these styles got copied and imitated soooooooo much, that everything became a rehash. Then the dirty south style started getting big and thats about the time I started losing interest. Not to knock anyone, but I truly hate the dirty south style. Plus I think that in the early 90's, hip hop and rap had heavy political messages and gave us suburbanites an inside into the gritty inner city street life. Now that inner city street life is a cliche, where you got to ride rims and carry heat, and all these rappers supposedly still hustle and deal dope. Just the overall negativity of the content in most of todays rap has really turned me off. I still like Nas though, to me he warns people of the evils of the "gangsta lifestyle" and tries to get the message out there that there is a lot more to life then getting high, riding chrome, shooting other people and selling drugs to people

Nothing wrong with riding chrome, listening to loud music, or sagging pants. It is wrong, though to sell drugs, rape women, and kill people for no reason. There are other rights and wrongs but I'm too bussy to list them. Peace out, comrades.

Most "mass produced" rap is total junk. There are a few diamonds in the rough out there.

I remember a unique almost 70s sounding rap song, except it was also rapped in Japanese. It actually sounded pretty awesome.

Back in the day, we use to play, NO WORRIES!/
ignoring little babies and our friends, get burried/
watching all my friends growin up to be/
these dead beat products of society/

now I know life aint suppose to be fair/
child in a violent home, aint suppose to be there/
how can ya change when people never seem to care/
thinking that your just leechin off of welfare/

same people saying rid social programs/
but they aint livin in these crime lands/
dont give a damn, cause they tellin me that im a sinner/
but I gotta pay the gas bills, in the winter/

whatda they know?! aint walk a mile in my shoes/
think that they know my life cause they watch the news?/
Saying a women shouldnt be able to choose/
wait a second Im confused, choice aint a freedom to lose/


lil bit written by me just now. I have my music too, gotten pretty good, this was just off the top of my head.

Rap sucks most of it atleast . I still have alot of respect for GOOD rappers like eminem,tupac,notorious b.i.g.,pdiddy,and snoop dogg but thats about it all the rest blows how many times can you hear a song about chains cars and b!tches it gets tiring . ROCK RULES LONG LIVE ROCK

Originally posted by diazrichard
Rap sucks most of it atleast . I still have alot of respect for GOOD rappers like eminem,tupac,notorious b.i.g.,pdiddy,and snoop dogg but thats about it all the rest blows how many times can you hear a song about chains cars and b!tches it gets tiring . ROCK RULES LONG LIVE ROCK

Eminem?
Pdiddy?
Snoop?

Wow, we have very different ideas of good rappers.

gotta keep bone thugs n harmony in mind when we talk about the best.