The UK swing Euro Defence, away from US interests!

No Fulcrum, youre still not getting it.

They both are NWO. EU IS blatant NWO. PNAC is other side of NWO. The two are ALOT more closely related than you THINK.

THINK about it for a moment, and youlls ee what I mean.

The problem is, PNAC is more blatantly obvious that people except braindead right wingers can see it for what it is.

But the EU is not any different from PNAC either. PNAC favors a world dominated by America. EU favors a world dominated by Europe.

Even I can see this.

But both sides are still ruled by the good ol blue blooded Illuminati. So they are not so different.

Hence, Britains need to stay away from NWO on either side. Thier status as go between served them well. They should keep it that way.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Um, no Fulcrum, youre wrong.

Tony Blair after 9/11 decided to be Bush's puppet, this was pretty much the first time this # has happened. It was an unwise move on his part, a very foolish one, but one he made on his own. Had he stayed out and remained freindly, helpful, and neutral, he would have fared better in maintaining Britains relative position as a go between for Europe and the US.

The Brits are known as the bulldogs for their vicious tenacity.
I believe Blair was being blackmailed into supporting Bush's war.

They are both NWO..

And USA is bad..

Yes East Coast, you hit it on the nose. Blair is a chicken# PM. Maggie would have told Bush to go # himself and go fight his own stupid war.

And yes, tenacity. They were about the only ones who had the balls eventually to take on Hitler with Very little support from the rest of #ing Europe, and I blast anyone who says they couldnt have bitchslapped Adolf back across the Rhein without our help.

Perhaps Europe feels a little Jelous cuz Britain actually produced sucessful Colonies that didnt end up as third world #holes. We look at France, germany, Belguim, Spain, and thier former Colonies are pretty much Insignifigant now, most of them in Chaos.

Thats the problem with FULCRUMS Euro thinking. He cant accept the fact that people alligned or helped the US out of thier own free will and desire, he cant accept the fact that not every single alliance we have held hasnt been forced. Some people have aligned themselves with us out of thier own choice, even if it was a poor choice.

And remeber, FULCRUM< the US didnt start either of the two world wars, we were dragged in. If you wish to blame anyone for the US ascension to superpower status, blame youselves for cursing us with the Illuminati, for starting two stupid wars that you decided to bring a third party into, and your own machinations.

If you cant see that the EU agenda is pretty much the same as PNAC, man do you need a cup of coffee.

Hitlers agenda was the EU, and his agenda was domination of all Caucasian alnds and the suberversion and destruction of non Caucasian peoples.

Anything based on hitlers ideals has to be suspect, given his long term visions and dreams.

Yes, Fulcrum, we know you think the US is the source of all evil in the world and there is nothing in the world nor has thier ever been anything more evil than the US.

That aside, yes, PNAC is evil. Bush is evil. NWO is evil. EU is NWO. EU is evil like US.

Evil abounds. I am an evil elf. But I prefer my own brand of evil.

That is the evil of free will. I am evil because i support the evil idea of humanity as humans, and humans taking thier own responsibility and controling thier own fate, if capable of such a thing.

Something US AND EU wish to destroy.

And Hitler WAS evil. He took a fine idea and twisted it into evil. Hitler was evil. Even though he was generally a sound leader.

He was a sound evil leader.

i concur that the NWO is on both sides of the atlantic.

a theory i came up with ( though it may have holes in it swiss cheese style)

The EU and US are both NWO. what they cant do with goverments, they do with corporations

Originally posted by Daystar
i concur that the NWO is on both sides of the atlantic.

The EU and US are both NWO. what they cant do with goverments, they do with corporations

Forget nation states. Follow the money.

Is why America was created to be what it WAS,and what the costitution was designed to prevent.
The NWO Ideology and business practices are what the founding fathers of the US were trying to get away from.
It weaseled it's way back.
Now we have to fix it or live with the consequences of our ignorance.
Or just remain ignorant.
Politicians get paid to get laws passed which favor the corporations,they commit treason in the process.
This probably will not change,but there are other things coming which will make it impossible for the NWO to do what some fear it will.
Like lack of resources,give it a few years and you'll see the changes.
All these things you think you know are lies.

Originally posted by uNBaLaNCeD
Is why America was created to be what it WAS,and what the costitution was designed to prevent.
The NWO Ideology and business practices are what the founding fathers of the US were trying to get away from.
It weaseled it's way back.
Now we have to fix it or live with the consequences of our ignorance.
Or just remain ignorant.
Politicians get paid to get laws passed which favor the corporations,they commit treason in the process.

To quote an old friend: Look to 1913 for the answer to that.

Fulcrum, you're slipping or you just missed this:

The Brits have always held thier own on thier own, thier economy the strongest, thier militart bar none the best in Europe, man for man.

That's where you are supposed to say Finland is better...

Now your cookin with Crisco, Daystar.

Im surprised no one else can see it, #, I aint a genius, yet its glaringly obvious to me:

Both are NWO. Two different wrappings, but same sentiment: one world govornment, one world power exercising dominance over the rest of planet earth!

If people could see what EU and PNAC really are, will there be progress?

Yep, Look to 1913. Look to 1931. Look to 1933. 1936. Keep looking. Its all there in front of you.

Originally posted by Fry2
Fulcrum, you're slipping or you just missed this:

The Brits have always held thier own on thier own, thier economy the strongest, thier militart bar none the best in Europe, man for man.

That's where you are supposed to say Finland is better...

I am not today in the mood to sell my fathers land as the best..

Besides, every nation has some good, some bad..

Finland just has more good than others.. but belive me when i say.. there is much crappy things here also..

No place / nation is perfect..

And be that as it may, the topic here is UK and NWO!

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Um, no Fulcrum, youre wrong.

The Us had no puppets until after the war. The UK wasnt one of them. They chose to side with us because of the benefit against the Nazis.

US arrogance and blindness to fact.
Let's get this absolutely right shall we?
We didn't choose to side with the US because of the Nazis.

World War 2 actually started in 1939 and Great Britain fought alone whilst the US sat on it's collective ass for 2 years.
The US chose to side with the UK.

And as for being puppets? Ever heard of lend-lease?
The US charged us for the weapons we borrowed from them to fight the war and it wasn't until the 70s that the UK managed to clear the debt.

Originally posted by Leveller

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Um, no Fulcrum, youre wrong.

The Us had no puppets until after the war. The UK wasnt one of them. They chose to side with us because of the benefit against the Nazis.

World War 2 actually started in 1939 and Great Britain fought alone whilst the US sat on it's collective ass for 2 years.
The US chose to side with the UK.

And as for being puppets? Ever heard of lend-lease?
The US charged us for the weapons we borrowed from them to fight the war and it wasn't until the 70s that the UK managed to clear the debt.

FDR was itching to get into it, but Americans were totally isolationist. (He knew what it would take to pull us in and he did a fine job of manipulating Japan.)

Churchill was begging FDR to come to the rescue, altho the Brits fought valiantly with one hand tied behind their back until the cavalry finally came.

Blair was told in told uncertain terms by his cabinet recently that he must back away from the U.S if he wants to stay in power and win the next election. Remember the U.S has a conservative government and Blair's is (meant to be) to the left. Their ideologies don't fit and the British public would only see further co-operation on everything with Bush's government as nothing but toadying.

I'm with Fulcrum on this one.

The NWO is the British press and Media against the Euro owned by Americans and Murdoch who staunchly oppose the Euro for the sole purpose of saving America�s position in the world by stopping Europe from happening. We need to join Europe. A united Europe is the only thing that can stand up to America now and stop it from trying to form the world in its own guise. America is deeply afraid of Europe for several reasons. For one a united Europe with a single currency would be the biggest economic center in the world and would most likely mean OPEC's currency standard being changed to the Euro across the board. A united military in Europe (which admittedly would be a long way off if at all) would see Europe seriously challenging America for the role of the biggest military might in the world. Any of these changes would also psychologically hurt the fragile American ethos of 'we're number one', which would no longer be the case.
The Euro will not affect the culture or the people. Nothing will change but the money. Spain will still have its Siestas, Germans will still munch Sausages and the French will still be haughtily aloof. Major decisions will still have to be taken with a broad consensus, the countries will bitch about each other and things will still take ages to be decided upon. Of course there will be things decided in the background, mostly economic and military, just as there is anywhere else. It is and will not be anywhere near perfect.

The NWO is PNAC, the WTO and Globalization lead by American companies and back by American government for American interests. The NWO is not military; you won�t see troops in your street. Physical takeovers are not needed these days, the power lies in the money and the power of the money lies with America. It is that which is threatened. The NWO is America promoting its predatory form of capitalism across the globe. Britain succumbed to this under Thatcher when the last remaining socialist principles of Britain were ripped up and we bought into the 'greed is good' manta. The NWO agenda that you see largely promoted (and on this site) is the form promoted by right wing propaganda with the aim of instilling the fear of uniting people. (For isn't that what most truly want? a world united as one in harmony?) Being united does not mean losing identity. They want to keep us divided, the old principal 'divide and rule'. America has the true NWO agenda of uniting the world through money and capitalism, under its control and in its image. You can see this happening everywhere under your very nose, far more than any construed European NWO incidences. Of course I�m not saying some elements of Europe are not involved, but they are not in control. They are not the masters; new money has long since replaced the old.
If you need a military point of view of the NWO America has troops positioned in something like 150 countries worldwide. No one else even comes close.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Now your cookin with Crisco, Daystar.

Im surprised no one else can see it, #, I aint a genius, yet its glaringly obvious to me:

Both are NWO. Two different wrappings, but same sentiment: one world govornment, one world power exercising dominance over the rest of planet earth!

If people could see what EU and PNAC really are, will there be progress?

Yep, Look to 1913. Look to 1931. Look to 1933. 1936. Keep looking. Its all there in front of you.

One more thing - these powers DO NOT OWE ALLEGIENCE to ANY nation. NWOers come from both sides of the pond.

The problem to your question lies in the utter LAZINESS of the people - at least in America. Try getting an average American to turn off the TV (America's number one drug) long enuff to read a paragraph of anything. GOOD LUCK, mates!

It seems that every day...another little roadsign to WWIII pops up.... It's proceeding at a quicker pace than I ever feared... The hell with terrorism... That's nothing compared to what will eventually hit the fan.... DR, I'd agree with your scenario, but add the inclusion of China's actions as well, as they too will be a major player in this...

Kegs, step back away for a minute and look at your own post.

Challange the US for world military might. Global dominance. Basically, dethrone us and take over as the ruler of the world, the global power.

And this is different from the US PNAC HOW?

Isnt it friggin obvious? This isnt about preventing the US from taking over the world and imposing thier NWO and letting people live and let live.

This is about imposing your own NWO!

You dont want to keep the US in check, you want to REPLACE it. So basically, were not getting a change in principals here. Were not getting a change in security, were not undoing anything here....

Were simply trading the name and identity of the oppresive overlord! How hard is it to comprehend?

This is basically the other side of the coin ehre. We have the Bu#e crowd cheering for American global domion, and the Euro crowd cheering for Euro global dominion.

Its a #ing ball game, the same kind of teams playing the same #ing ball game for the same #ing prize! the world!

And both sides who support are blind to obvious.

Jesus we really are doomed!

#, maybe world war 3 isnt such a bad idea after all! Once and for all the total annihilation of the superpowers, total destruction, and then the third world can finally breathe a sigh of relief and have a moment of peace!

Originally posted by Gazrok
It seems that every day...another little roadsign to WWIII pops up.... It's proceeding at a quicker pace than I ever feared... The hell with terrorism... That's nothing compared to what will eventually hit the fan.... DR, I'd agree with your scenario, but add the inclusion of China's actions as well, as they too will be a major player in this...

Simple and well-said, Gazrok.

Leveler, I didnt even notice the post there...

Ill forgive your anal retentive nit picking of the gramtical order of who joined with who because of what ect. Obviously the intent of that state emnt was clear, but since you chose to linger on such minor and pointless things, Ill let you play with that one.

However, we did not sit on our ass during the first few years of the war. That would be implying that somehow, it was our responsibility.

But it wasnt. IT WASNT OUR #ING FIGHT PERIOD, AND WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE WHOLE #ING THING, LEVELER.

Its not like you were having any problems really holding them off in the first place, US involevement in that theater was TOTALLY unnecessary, and look what it brought you: Us ascension as a superpower and occupation fo your #ing continent for 60 years and still counting!

Tou should have left us out of it and weathered it on your own, you would have withstood it, #, you were the only power in Europe against them. Even the Russians until the Germans actually invaded THEM, were making backdoor deals with Hitler over Poland.

The US intervention was NOT necessary, and I will kick the # out of this horse long after he is desceased because no one on either side can seem to grasp this basic point.

We didnt show up because it had NOTHING to do with us, and what goes on in Europe should #ing STAY in europe, ebcause when you bring outside intervention and third parties into your intracontinetal messes, you are asking for trouble. period.

World war 1, again, was not our fight. You seem to have no respect for the original US policy and mentality of Isolation that was prevalent at the day and age. The attitude of the American public and most of our politicans was simply, you do your thing well do ours, well stay out of your affairs, you stay out of ours. It worked quite fine, and should have been left alone. Germany allied with Japan, bringing its third party into the war, and the UK, years later, brought US is.

When people learn to keep thier own messes contained within thier borders or landmasses, wed not have world wars. Something Europe failed to learn long ago, and may never learn in the future.

Its the birthplace of the Illuminati, the birthplace of NWO, the birthplace of Freemasonry, fascism, communism, and, even PNAC, since we were once your rouge brats anyway.
'
Choose your allies carefully, look to the long term for allies instead of the short term quick fixes, ebacsue you never know what your allies can turn into.

The US was transformed from an afterthought and a land of rejects and criminals into a world power within a short time because of Europes short term thinking and inability to contain its own wars.

'Somehow, I dont think the EU is gonna change this fact. makes you wonder..........