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Originally posted by Masonic Light
I don't think that gods have color or any other physical attributes, but if you can provide a photo, I'd be willing to concede.
It was Pike's belief that the ancient Aryans were the possessors of the original and pure religion, which were corrupted by the Egyptians, Hebrews, and even the Aryans' own descendants (Hindus, Zoroastrians, and modern Europeans and Americans).
Pike was of the opinion that the ancient Aryans constituted the first real civilization and religion, and that all others were derived from them in a degraded form. For example, he believed that the seven potencies of the Deity recognized by the ancient Aryans were misunderstood by Hebrew scholars at Babylon when they first became exposed to the doctrines of Pythagoras. Misunderstanding the esoteric meaning of the Tetractys, they instituted ten emanations instead of the original seven, which became the Sephiroth (see Pike's "Lectures On The Indo-Aryans" and Legenda B of the 32nd degree)
I don't recall Pike mentioning Higgins, but refers to Blavatsky as a charlatan on p. 135 of his "Symbolism of the Blue Degrees".
I agree that it was not necessarily a bad thing to have been an original member; however, there is not the slightest bit of evidence that Pike was a member. In the abovementioned book, Pike relates that outside of Masonry, the only Society which he belonged was the Oddfellows. Furthermore, even then, the KKK required Protestant Christianity as a prerequisite to membership, and Pike despised sectarian societies, as is evidenced by many passages in "Morals and Dogmas".
Where did Hall say such a thing?
Collected Writings: Early Works
..."Races are like individuals. We try to teach the child; we try to cooperate with the man, while age receives our veneration and respect. Why do we not show the same respect to those old white-haired nations who have racially given us birth?
From ancient empires comes all that we are and have- our genius as well as the foundation of our arts and sciences.
While the Anglo-Saxon race was still wandering, fierce and wild, through uncultivated wastes, living in holes dug out of the sides of hills, and fighting like harry anthropoids for the rotting bones of beasts they had slain, the ancient Indian Empire was sitting in meditation or deep-buried in libraries filled with books bearing upon their hand-illumined pages of wisdom of a hundred generations.
Thier Emperors, robed in cloth of gold, wielded scepters of jade and amber over teeming millions while the white man was still a wild, uncouth savage, riding shaggy ponies and gnawing at the outskirts of this ancient civilization.
Where is the respect and veneration that we owe to Egypt, Chaldea, and Phoenicia, cradle of human progress? Has man forgotten the most ancient of all proverbs, "Honor thy father and thy mother?"
Our race was born somewhere in the heart of India, nourished upon the wisdom of the East, and launched upon its way to carry the standards of human progress through the generations to follow. Can we not realize that we are all one family, and that man's inhumanity to man is the reason why the nations of the past lie hungry and starved while the child to which they gave birth goes heedlessly on its way?"
In this part, Manly P. Hall mentions that the Great White Lodge(of which the Trans-Himalayan Brotherhood is part of) rules the World from Shamballa in the Gobi desert, guarded by Nagas or Serpent Angels):
"The Aryan race (of which both the modern Hindu and the Anglo-Saxon are sub-races) had its beginning somewhere in Central Asia. While Western anthropologists even admit this, they do not link this fact in any way with the Hindu belief that the race migrated from the Gobi desert, where the first white man was born."
"Tibet knows all too well that in the wake of the white man there follows desolation and ruin: hence the struggle to prevent its national treasures from being dissipated and its religion from being over-thrown by the vandalism of foreign nations"
My Return to Tibet
"How much pain I felt when walking through all of the towns and villages of Tibet!
Everywhere, here, there and further, I could see the Chinese Communist troops that perfidiously had invaded the sacred land of the Adepts.
How frightful the profaners are! Behold there the red soldiers at the doors of the very sacred pagodas, cynically making a mockery of what they do not understand.
Unto the divine Padma Sambhava, incarnation of the Lotus and protector for all the Conscious Beings, I supplicate freedom for Tibet.
Unto all the sublime Fathers and Mothers of all Buddhas from the five Orders, I beseech to remove forever the barbarian hordes who have assassinated the Saints.
Bhagavan Aklaiva, protector Master of our Sacred Order, help us. Remove from Tibet the brutalising hordes of Marxism.
Ah! The Tathagata (Buddha) knows very well how much I had to suffer when contemplating the terrible solitude of the valley of Amitabha.
What happened with those religious festivities, which in a fore time were cheering the sublime valley?
Now, only the sanguinary troops of Marxism are seen everywhere. Until when will this bitterness have to continue?
Fortunately, the Monastery of the Sacred Order of Tibet is very well-protected inside the Fourth Dimension." - Samael Aun Weor
That an imposter such as Elijah Muhammed said it is not surprising, or at least no more so than Farrakhan saying that white folks were created by black scientists. Anthropology, however, nominally agrees with Pike.
Originally posted by Tamahu
When you look in the mirror everyday you do see a potential God.
But most of us, including myself of course, are no more than rice eating worms.
Well who are these "Aryans", and where did they come from?
The Gnostic/Theosophical view is that the first sub-race of the Aryan Root-Race were the Mongolians and Tibetans of the Gobi desert, if I'm not mistaken.
"Aryan" is an Ancient term for Noble One.
In Buddhism it is in reference to a certain level of Initiation.
It does not necessarily refer to those of a pale skin color; even though the latter adopted the term for themselves.
Well I'm of the opinion that this can be reconciled, at that the Babylonians and Hebrews and Kemetians all knew it.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
But we are neither gods nor worms. For better or for worse, we are Men.
I think we can safely ignore such pseudo-Gnostic and theosophical speculations, since anthropology and archaeology have proved them incorrect.
The Truth
...Likewise, a blind-person can also give to him/herself the luxury of believing in the Sun or not believing in the Sun - and even doubting about its existence – nevertheless, the King Star (the Sun) will continue giving light and life to everything that exists, without giving the slightest value to whimsical opinions...
It is generally conceded that the Aryans were pale of skin.
It was Pike's contention that the mysterious Hyksos, who invaded, conquered, and civilzed Egypt, were of Aryan descent
I too believe it can be reconciled, but tend to agree with Pike that the Babylonian Magi knew the original attributions, but that they were generally misunderstood by the Hebrews and Egyptians.
Originally posted by Tamahu
It would be nice if we could say that just having the humanoid form makes us Men.
But, to the chagrin of many, it does not.
A real Man, is the Solar Man, born of Sex and not of fornication.
Really?
But I'm sure Albert Pike had his reasons for what he wrote, and that even though he didn't reveal the whole truth about the Aryans(whether he knew it or not), much of what he wrote was probably accurate, though perhaps not complete.
Now according to your interpretation of Albert Pike's writings, he's starting to sound like those who say that Jews and "negroes" have always been savage, and that the "more evolved light-skinned Aryans" were the only ones to have erected cultured Civilizations.
Perhaps Albert Pike's mission was to conceal certain things with the "blinds and errors" mentioned in H.P. Blavatsky's "The Secret Doctrine", knowing full-well that they were to mislead the profane curious seeker?
Originally posted by c60605
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how about red and blue lodges pointing to old testament red thread of zerah versus blue thread of pharez ?.... since freemasons seem to use so much imagery from old testament.
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Originally posted by The Dark Lord
OK enough about what Mankind or Man is.
let us address the true question. Humankind. As addressed by Black Elk and others I challenge you to find this term or its definition in any faiths dogma.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Tamuh, I credit you for digging up the most unusual reads. Very amusing.
Even if hall was a 33rd Mason it didn't make him all to special. Popular maybe, but blessed with seceret wisdom? Come on now.
Your so into your self and your interesting little books. Go visit a lodge and spare the rest of us your... "research"
Your rant on Hall would be like saying because Pike was a Mason we all hate blacks.
My favorite color is blue. Me being a Mason then means all Masons favorite color is blue right? That is the way it works right?
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Pike's second statement, however, even though not politically correct, deserves a bit more inquiry. After all, in the jungles of the Congo and the bushes of Australia, there still are savages.
...One who lives according to zodiacal influences is savage.
The majority of people, then, are actually savages, cavemen and women stylishly dressed in Amani suits and lovely skirts but totally consumed with indulging animal passions and "creature comforts."
The current human condition is what is known as the "fall of Adam" (Atman or Ba). The Honorable Elijah Muhammad taught that the civilized man's duty was to teach the savages and that we was to be punished if he failed in his duty. "Punishment" symbolizes self-imposed austerities (like fasting or other deprivations) for failing to rule over the lower parts of being. This is also what the Quran means by beating your wife if she acts in a lewd manner. The "wife" symbolizes the emotional part of the self. "Four wives" symbolize mastery of the four magical elements: earth, air, water and fire. Spiritual cultivation proceeds from the bottom (physical body) to the top (atman or Ba). Thus the Quran says that God made man from "black mud fashioned into shape." When the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said "we must do something for the self" he meant that we have to take action to develop our atman (Ba soul).
Practically all technology is western in origin. This is not say that I agree with Pike in any inherent superiority of the Aryan race, but I cannot deny the fact that civilization as the word is understood today originated with the ancestors of my own ethnic group.
Originally posted by StonyJ
The true purpose of the higher levels of Freemasonry are to protect the Davidic bloodline.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by StonyJ
The true purpose of the higher levels of Freemasonry are to protect the Davidic bloodline.
Freemasonry doesn't recognize the existence of any "Davidic bloodline". Nor, dare I say, does anyone else.
Originally posted by StonyJ
The true purpose of the higher levels of Freemasonry are to protect the Davidic bloodline. I have recently approached a lodge in the US and announced my connection to the bloodline and was immediately brought to the Grand Master of the lodge.
Originally posted by StonyJ
I dare say that you are incorrect. I don't know a lot, but I do know this. Artists and soldiers.......it's always been about King David and King Solomon.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by StonyJ
I dare say that you are incorrect. I don't know a lot, but I do know this. Artists and soldiers.......it's always been about King David and King Solomon.
Stony, the thing is, nobody is even sure if David or Solomon even existed, or if they are just mythological figures. Archaeologists disagree, but even the ones who consider them historical persons usually do so out of their own personal religious beliefs, not historical evidence.
There is no known "Davidic bloodline" in existence. [/quo
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