OP/ED: Impeach Bush Now!

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Hmmm thinking here that people are missing the obvious... if you kick out Bush and many that hang around this site seem to want this... then what do you replace him with? A democrat that is also controlled by the Rockefellers/Rothschilds too? How is that an improvement?

LOLOLOL... oh the sun would shine better, the ozon hole would close, the dolphins would live forever, oil would be free, starbucks would have more cocain, Muslmes would love Jews, Christians would vanish from the Earth... i dont know .. it would be Heaven on Earth ... *sigh*

oh yes... and the phonecall spying would still go on, once that Clinton was the first to have the idea,nso he could spy on "dangerous christiasn melitia groups"

Originally posted by fookerboy69
Who was saying "they should've spied on us to prevent 9/11" ???????? NO ONE! We were already warned but that dumbass in the white house decided it would be in the best interest of our country to ignore the information we received that something would happen on that date! (that is if you dont already believe that it was an inside job)

First of all, there was no information of any specific date....

Second of all, the intelligence agencies are the ones who decide what information is relevant and what is not. They make decisions on intelligence gathered through hearsay most of the time, and quite a few times that information are just rumors.

Originally posted by fookerboy69
Either way it doesnt matter if OUR calls are being monitored, its the fact that he went against the friggin constitution and behind our backs to do it and that is ILLEGAL. Do you think you'd get away with breaking the constitition? Absolutely not. Why should he?

Nope....The calls of people/organizations which have some kind of tie with terrorism are being monitored...and btw, the bill is not only to monitor those American citizens which make international calls and have some terrorist connection, despite the left claiming this is just to eavesdrop on American citizens, the bill is to eavesdrop on people who have some connection to terrorist organizations...

There is a difference between what you and others claim and what the bill says and what it is for....

But I guess that terrorists, and those who want to bring more chaos and suffering to the U.S. should be free to do so too right?....

In that aspect ACLU is really doing a good job....

[edit on 22-4-2006 by Muaddib]

This is comming from a ground pounder that has deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan so please listen.

1) Someone has to step up and stop this aggression now. Our President is doing a great job because of his tough stand on terrorism. That is why the economy is not doing so good but if you stop and think, We really need to bring all the big company's back to America or heavy tax the companies that are going outside of our country with business and jobs for our people.

2) Stop being so dependant on outside oil. We have the smart people so lets get to work on developing a fuel that we can manufacture and stop the dependancy of oil products from outside.

3) Support our President and help get rid of the sleeper cells inside of the USA so we can rest calmly at night time. There are so many bad guys inside of the USA because the borders have been so relaxed for all these years and now we need to tighten up and stop all until they have been checked out completely. They are using out constitution against us by Freedom of speech and getting all these not so smart people to follow them. This war was going to happen eventually so why not now where we can stop the nukes and terrorism before we take heavy hits. The muslims are not going to stop until they have taken over the world. So President Bush is doing the correct method except we need the American people to support him and QUIT DOUBTING HIM. Look at the Muslims, they have been fighting all their lives and they have been taught to kill anyone that does not believe in their religion. Duh that means us Americans so wake up and lets stop them before they take over America and eventually you won't have any freedom and there will be mini wars all over American like overseas now where Muslim live.

4) Support our troops that are giving their hearts and souls to protect our great country and quit telling them that they are doing the wrong thing. Without our great Army and services (Navy, Air Force and Marines) then we would not be speaking English or studying our Bibles and beliving in God.

5) As far as some of the questionable people on the President's staff, Hey all politicians are corrupt so this is a loosing battle to pick an all good staff. You just have to pick the one that you think will at least give you some support.

6) Wear a red colored shirt on Fridays to show your support for America and our services that are in combat protecting our interest.

7) Report anyone that is suspicious and going against our government because WE HAVE TO STICK TOGETHER AND BACK OUR GOVERNMENT. The home of the Free and Brave with the BEST forces in the World. Hoorah!!! Remember UNITED WE STAND AND SEPERATE WE FALL!!!! The enemy is trying to seperate us right now so stand strong and lets win the war on terror.

8) Say at least one prayer a day for our troops because they are in harms way daily. Listen to the song, "Onward, Christian Soldiers"

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

Refrain

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.

At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

Refrain

Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.

Refrain

What the saints established that I hold for true.
What the saints believèd, that I believe too.
Long as earth endureth, men the faith will hold,
Kingdoms, nations, empires, in destruction rolled.

Refrain

Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
We have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail.

Refrain

Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud and honor unto Christ the King,
This through countless ages men and angels sing.

9) God Bless America!!!! I love my country!!!!

10) The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2000.
The Psalms 27

The LORD Is My Light and My Salvation A Psalm of David.


1 The LORD is my light and my salvation;
whom shall I fear?
The LORD is the strength of my life;
of whom shall I be afraid?


2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes,
came upon me to eat up my flesh,
they stumbled and fell.


3 Though a host should encamp against me,
my heart shall not fear:
though war should rise against me,
in this will I be confident.


4 One thing have I desired of the LORD,
that will I seek after;
that I may dwell in the house of the LORD
all the days of my life,
to behold the beauty of the LORD,
and to inquire in his temple.


5 For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion:
in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me;
he shall set me up upon a rock.


6 And now shall mine head be lifted up
above mine enemies round about me:
therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy;
I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD.


7 Hear, O LORD, when I cry with my voice:
have mercy also upon me, and answer me.


8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face;
my heart said unto thee,
Thy face, LORD, will I seek.


9 Hide not thy face far from me;
put not thy servant away in anger:
thou hast been my help;
leave me not, neither forsake me,
O God of my salvation.


10 When my father and my mother forsake me,
then the LORD will take me up.


11 Teach me thy way, O LORD,
and lead me in a plain path,
because of mine enemies.


12 Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies:
for false witnesses are risen up against me,
and such as breathe out cruelty.


13 I had fainted, unless I had believed
to see the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living.


14 Wait on the LORD:
be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart:
wait, I say, on the LORD.

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by fookerboy69
Who was saying "they should've spied on us to prevent 9/11" ???????? NO ONE! We were already warned but that dumba** in the white house decided it would be in the best interest of our country to ignore the information we received that something would happen on that date! (that is if you dont already believe that it was an inside job)

First of all, there was no information of any specific date....

Dang, you beat me to that obvious falsehood. As usually is the case, taking a little bit of truth (the vague threat of OBL/AQ planning an attack using airlines, if even that much detail), and now trying to claim Bush knew an exact date, or even a general time frame. Of course a lie is usually more acceptable with a grain of truth, but easily rebutted when people actually care to do so.

Keeping tabs on this thread about daily, and still nothing with a shred of credibility has been put forward that shows Bush did anything warranting impeachment. Not even a simple lying before a grand jury (tsk). BTW, before the bleating about 'did you read what I linked to...' etc, yes I did, and I discussed how vacuous the charges were in a previous post.

If any of you espousing these views would care to explain how exactly these various charges are true and actually against the law, I am all ears. Don't let some ranting website try and do it for you. Try and explain for yourself. Thanks!

Everybody pushing this impeachment thing is herby sentenced to read everything on the site "Blame Bush", including all the archived issues.

Originally posted by Astronomer70
Everybody pushing this impeachment thing is herby sentenced to read everything on the site "Blame Bush", including all the archived issues.

You are kidding, right Astronomer?

First it is a site whose sole purpose is blaming president Bush...it'
s obviously not going to be unbiased...

Second, it would be like saying "if you want to see the truth go to Rense.com"....

Good joke Astronomer.

Ummm.

IMHO this President can't possibly have an IQ over 100 and somebody out there voted him into office?????????!!!!!!!!!! WTF is wrong with people?
Hey, he brought along a VP that can't even shoot straight!

I voted for Bushes Dad and what did he do? He said "NO NEW TAXES" and he implemented "NEW TAXES" soon after he took office.......DUH! He didn't get my vote the next election!

What did George W. do? He said that the War in Iraq would be a "Cake Walk" and the Iragi people will welcome us with open arms and shower us with flowers" And "The War will be over in 3 months, 6 months tops!" (there is video of him saying it so don't say he didn't)

Looks to me like Lying runs in the family! No? I can't stomach a bold face Liar. And then he and his administration are always throwing it in our faces. Going on about how we are cowards and pu$$y's cause we want to get out of Iraq........WELL THAT"S NOT IT........DUH! I want to get out because I NEVER signed up for this part! Get Sadam out? YES. Rebuilding their country? NO. It's their country damn it let them rebuild it!

Now another REALLY sore point for me is: Osama Bin Laden and his boys are still running amok!!! This in itself is worth an Impeachment in my book!

BTW.I'm not a Democrate ;-P .........I'm just fed up with this administration!
Want to add salt to all our wounds.......have you seen the National Debt lately????!!!! WTF is that all about????

Looks like George W. needs some lessons in Accounting and English and Social Studies, and History and etc. etc. etc.

You vote in a C+ President you get a C+ President. I vote for Impeachment.

TommyTrouble

No Muaddib I wasn't joking at all. If you have not been to the site I heartily recommend you go there and read--it isn't what you think.

tommytrouble you might want to look into what happened in Kundzu, Afganistan during the actual fighting that took place when we first went in.

[edit on 23-4-2006 by Astronomer70]

Dear Altanoa,

Oh that's perfect dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How sad can you get
WOW! Killum for God. Nice.

Astronomer70,

Huh! did I miss something.............I must have, cause I didn't get it.......it's ok though, I'm stupid sometimes so go slow for me

Originally posted by seattlelaw
It's past time for impeachment. It's time to jail the lying, murdering, antidemocratic, neofascist. I'd say the death penalty should apply, but I'm agin it.

This despotic group has done more harm to the world than any since good old Adolf and his henchmen.

Let's begin with their imploding the WTC and killing those people on the ground and in the air and go from there ... Tens, if not hundreds of thousands have died for his lies. When is enough enough? Now!

Better get down from that cloud of lies and exagerations people like yourself keep coming up with... either that or stop smoking what you smoke...

Originally posted by solo32_98
.......................
As a Canadian, I fear for the lives of myself and my children because of the madmen which currently guide the "policy" of the United States.

Well, perhaps as a Canadian you should be looking at who is really trying to destroy your way of life and your family just for being who you are...

Time and time again, even before this administration, people around the world have tried to blame the U.S. for everything that happens in the world, when real tyrants are still running amok in many nations.....

I am just amazed that these same people who are always blaming the U.S. for everything also speak in favour and even try to describe as humanitarians tyrants who have caused most of the suffering in the world...

I'll leave you with a few words from another Canadian who spoke about this a long time ago, it shows that things have not changed at all.

This is something written in 1973 by a Canadian who saw what other people were doing and saying about the United States back then and even before that time.

"LET'S BE PERSONAL"
Broadcast June 5, 1973
CFRB, Toronto, Ontario
Topic: "The Americans"

.....................
As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtse. Who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Misssissippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries into help... Managua Nicaragua is one of the most recent examples. So far this spring, 59 American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent war-mongering Americans.

I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.
.........................
When the Americans get out of this bind ... as they will... who could blame them if they said 'the hell with the rest of the world'. Let someone else buy the Israel bonds, Let someone else build or repair foreign dams or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble.

Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbours have faced it alone and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.
.............

Excerpted from.
www.tysknews.com...

Everyone of those words that Gordon Sinclair said back in 1973 are true to this day.... There have been people around the world who have always placed the blame on the U.S. for everything that happens in the world.

Nowadays the blame is placed specifically in the present administration, for everything that happens in the world and even for terrorist attacks which the U.S. government had nothing to do with...

There are people, and in these forums there is no exception, who even after seeing the evidence, including evidence from other countries which have nothing to do with the United States, they still want to place the blame on the United States....

Perhaps people should be trying to really "Deny Ignorance" instead of trying to push their own political agendas...

[edit on 23-4-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Astronomer70
No Muaddib I wasn't joking at all. If you have not been to the site I heartily recommend you go there and read--it isn't what you think.

And what link is that exactly? The only links that I have seen which would have such a title want to claim that it was the U.S. and president Bush alone who said that iraq had WMD, that something had to be done with Iraq, etc, etc... which is obviously a lie if you do some proper research and are not blinded by those people who even after the evidence is presented continue to try to push their agendas....

[edit on 23-4-2006 by Muaddib]

Altanoa,

I specially liked the wear red on a specific day.....The Communist symbol....
Oh, that one killed me.

And...It is possible to support the troops and not back this stupid war,FYI.

What a trip-

What's the use......

Oh and..."That is why the economy is not doing so good but if you stop and think, We really need to bring all the big company's back to America or heavy tax the companies that are going outside of our country with business and jobs for our people. "...........Shouldnt our president be doing just that? Instead he continues to sell out America to the highest or lowest bidder...

Borders? Not his problem to deal with either, right?





[edit on 23-4-2006 by dgtempe]

I would just like to quote two passages from the Center of Constitutional Rights' Book, Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush (2006). It is just for people's persual about why Mr. Bush should be impeached.

I'm sure that from reading what the supporters of Mr. Bush has written, it reminds me totally of the blind followers of the systems from H.G. Wells' two most important books, Animal Farm and 1984. Sometimes, it is useless to argue against the supporters because the "Four legs good, two legs bad" and "doublespeak" mentality is so deeply ingrained in their brains that they cannot separate the wheat from the chaff.

So, I will use William Goodman's words from his introduction in the book. He is Legal Director of the CCR:

Center For Constitutional Rights. Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush. Hoboken, NJ: Melville House Publishing, 2006.

As a consequence this nation is confronted with a grave constitutional crisis. We have a president staunchly committed to acquiring unprecedented amounts of power and using it in ways that conflict with the Constitution of the United States, international law, and the common understanding of morality. In short, although the president has sworn to uphold the Constitution, he is doing just the opposite. he is dismantling the Constitution of the United States. Primarily, his apparent purpose is to gather even more power--power unchecked by judicial or congressional scrutiny--to a presidency already bloated with power.

Simultaneously, summary arrests, in the United States and around the world, torture, indefinite detention, illegal surveillance, and suppression of free speech and protest have become commonplace. Yet worse, as all of this has happened the government has sought to eliminate any judicial oversight of its activities by weakening the judicial system in innumerable ways. The president has also disregarded Congress and thereby attempted to weaken its role. The consequence has been that the fundamental building block of American democracy, our system of separation of powers, has come under lethal attack. (9-10)

Enough said.












[edit on 24-4-2006 by ceci2006]

Originally posted by ceci2006
I would just like to quote two passages from the Center of Constitutional Right's Book, Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush (2006). It is just for people's persual about why Mr. Bush should be impeached.

I'm sure that from reading what the supporters of Mr. Bush has written, it reminds me totally of the blind followers of the systems from H.G. Wells' two most important books, Animal Farm and 1984. Sometimes, it is useless to argue against the supporters because the "Four legs good, two legs bad" and "doublespeak" mentality is so deeply ingrained in their brains that they cannot separate the wheat from the chaff.

So, I will use William Goodman's words from his introduction in the book. He is Legal Director of the CCR:

Center For Constitutional Rights. Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush. Hoboken, NJ: Melville House Publishing, 2006.

As a consequence this nation is confronted with a grave constitutional crisis. We have a president staunchly committed to acquiring unprecedented amounts of power and using it in ways that conflict with the Constitution of the United States, international law, and the common understanding of morality. In short, although the president has sworn to uphold the Constitution, he is doing just the opposite. he is dismantling the Constitution of the United States. Primarily, his apparent purpose is to gather even more power--power unchecked by judicial or congressional scrutiny--to a presidency already bloated with power.

Simultaneously, summary arrests, in the United States and around the world, torture, indefinite detention, illegal surveillance, and suppression of free speech and protest have become commonplace. Yet worse, as all of this has happened the government has sought to eliminate any judicial oversight of its activities by weakening the judicial system in innumerable ways. The president has also disregarded Congress and thereby attempted to weaken its role. The consequence has been that the fundamental building block of American democracy, our system of separation of powers, has come under lethal attack. (9-10)

Enough said.




[edit on 23-4-2006 by ceci2006]

That joke is not 'Enough said', oh purveyor of non-biased opinion. Yet again, someone writes a screed about supposed illegalities without a single actual bit of fact or evidence, and people hold it up as THE EVIDENCE that if we just read it it will answer all of our biased little questions. Again, laughable in the extreme, and a VERY weak response if I must say.

In the litany of supposed crimes, give me one ACTUAL detail. Fine, I will make it simple. I will even choose for you from the blurb above. Please illustrate one (1) point where the President is 'dismantling the Consitution'. I am sure from your reading of the noted scholar above, he surely pointed out which Article of said document was rewritten or somehow excised from Public law.

Can't find that, then by all means, expand your seach to ANY of the supposed accusations.

Again, until you actually come up with something, enough said...

dperry,

I'm I the only stupid one around here??????????? I mean we do live under a Democracy no???????????

Well let's take a gander at the meaning of Democracy...shall we.
Ummmmmmm.........Looks like it means "The people Rule"......or maybe I'm just misreading it??????

en.wikipedia.org...

Well, then why, may I ask, are we still in Iraq when the VAST MAJORITY of people would rather we not be in Iraq??? I do believe it's because George W. said..............I DON"T CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK WE WILL BE IN IRAQ UNTIL I LEAVE OFFICE! UMMMMMMMMMMMM..................sounds like.......looks like...........walks like........smells like........ a dictatorship to me.

Are Dictators Impeachable?

Or maybe it's just me.

And don't give me that Congress OK'd this crap! Congress OK'd taking out Sadam NOT occupying a foreign sovereign country. I for one believe the real problem is that George W. doesn't know the meaning of foreign sovereign.

At least his father had way more brains and knew better than to even think about going into Iraq.he knew it was going to be a never ending rats nest. I mean "Come on" do you think we are going to win a Holy War with the guys that invented Holy Wars thousands of years before the United States even existed!!!! You'd have a better chance knocking out Mike Tyson LMAO.

TommyTrouble

politics.abovetopsecret.com...

Illinois State Legislature to initiate impeachment proceedings. Check out the link.

Right now many Republicans and mostly Democrats are at Mr. Bush neck but we all know that is due to nothing more than politics and November.

I will have to add that if congress falls into the hands of the Democrats. . . Mr. Bush may be impeached and with many good reasons for it.

But as anything that has to do with politics it will probably amount to nothing.

Just a show for the good Ole people of America.

dperry,

I am very sorry you feel that way. But I've learned that like terrorists, Bush supporters are not to be negotiated with. What good will it do? There is already enough evidence out there that proves that "something untoward" is happening in government. And if I did find something to try and convince you of that, you'd still find it laughable. Not all the indictments that happened during the six years of the Bush Adminstration will make you change your mind.

Until then, keep up the "Four legs good, two legs bad" mentality. It will serve you well in the coming days.

[edit on 23-4-2006 by ceci2006]