Bosnian Pyramid Update

Originally posted by ArMaP
In the following picture, in the photo of what looks like tiles, it is visible that the "tiles" on the outer edge should have been visible before the digging, because we can see that they reach the grassy surface that was digged.

If this was visible or almost visible today, then this is surely something allready known by the population of that area.

The stones were not visible. They were uncovered.

Originally posted by vietifulJoe
The stones were not visible. They were uncovered.

Seeing that the "tiles" go all the way to the grass covering the ground made me wonder if they had been all covered all the time, it looks like they may have been visible from the surface, especially in a place so far down on the hill and near some houses, I never said they were visible.

Originally posted by newtron25
why isn't anyone stepping up, soliciting donated facilities and time to get these things carbon dated.

Carbon Dating isn't useful on rocks like this. It wouldn't tell us when the 'blocks' were 'laid down', even if they were.

Here is a decent page on it
hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...

However, it simplifies (or is just plain wrong) in saying that the rate of formation of c14 is constant, infact, its known to change. This change has been adjusted for and the method has been calibrated by use of tree ring records.

It's like this guy is either

What's probably happening is that, since there isn't any evidence that this is a manmade site, no one wants to run any of these kinds of tests. Apparently, as vietifulJoe has reported, Osamgnic went out of his way to personally insult everyone in the region that would be in a position to help him. He's basically, with his lack of evidence, dependant upon the kindess of strangers. Usually not a good time to insult people.

I've seen enough evidence just via pictures to convince me that this site requires the testing that lesser projects normally get.

it appears that the international archeology cartel has gotten to the locals and shut them down.

If people doubt that the brotherhood controlled academic world is in the open then why all the criticism for decades re: Egyptian pyramids and lack of disclosure?

the elite will not want any major discoveries without their hands on it lest any useful technology and knowledge not come under their control.

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
I've seen enough evidence just via pictures to convince me that this site requires the testing that lesser projects normally get.

Based upon what? THe regular weathering feature?

it appears that the international archeology cartel has gotten to the locals and shut them down.

The international archaeology cartel. Now thats a new one.

The hasn't been anyone jumping to investigate the site because there is simply not much of a reason to investigate it. Please explain why anyone should invest their time, especially taking it away from their other projects, and work on this one?

Originally posted by Nygdan

The hasn't been anyone jumping to investigate the site because there is simply not much of a reason to investigate it.

Theres nothing to investigate. OhhhhKay. And you wonder why we are skeptical about the archeological community and there lack of support, even if its just to prove that it is merely a medieval or roman structure????? hmmmm. Well there are some things uncovered so far that i believe deserve investigation even if they have nothing to do with pyramids. Isnt this what archaeologists do!!!

m4s

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
I've seen enough evidence just via pictures to convince me that this site requires the testing that lesser projects normally get.

Which "lesser" projects are you referring to?

it appears that the international archeology cartel

LOL, that's a new one on me too. What sort of things do you have to do to get in this "cartel" - go to university and study for years? Do lots of research? As opposed to people who don't study, put on a Indiana Jones hat and shout their mouth off?

the elite will not want any major discoveries without their hands on it lest any useful technology and knowledge not come under their control.

What sort of technology do you think they will want to get their hands on? Axe heads? Pottery? Playstation 4?

from helicopter, bosnian sun pyramid






rembeber this hill or pyramid is oriented north-south east-west like other pyramids in the world


moon pyramid excavations

Crvenkapica, can you show us a map or photo's of where the 'moon' pyramid is located?

It seems like that's where the most obvious manmade stonework is being uncovered, but I only ever see photo's of the 'sun' pyramid.

bosnian stone balls

Originally posted by mojo4sale
there are some things uncovered so far that i believe deserve investigation

Such as what? What did you see that woudl prompt you, as a researcher attached to a university or other insitution, that would be worth the trip to bosnia?

even if they have nothing to do with pyramids. Isnt this what archaeologists do!!!

Arhcaeologists and other researchers are the ones that discovered the medevial castle site, and the other archaeological sites in the region.

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by mojo4sale
there are some things uncovered so far that i believe deserve investigation

Such as what? What did you see that woudl prompt you, as a researcher attached to a university or other insitution, that would be worth the trip to bosnia?

even if they have nothing to do with pyramids. Isnt this what archaeologists do!!!

Arhcaeologists and other researchers are the ones that discovered the medevial castle site, and the other archaeological sites in the region.

What's your point, Nygdan? Rhetoric never put proof on the page.

Negativism and skepticism are a self-feeding mixture that lead the purveyor to only one end...Harumph-dom!

Go try a thread on cryptids if you're that sure about the pyramids, or can I offer you something in a Military Aircraft Project or perhaps even a, say, John Titor Bashing thread....all of them are seats available, no waiting for curmudgeons...

As for those Stone Spheres.....excuse me...aren't those just a little bit more than weird, out of place, and in need of explanation...

Then again, I'm just a goof ball American who loves Disney films about whip-toting explorers looking for hidden treasure.

Don't mind me.

Originally posted by newtron25
What's your point, Nygdan? Rhetoric never put proof on the page.

Proof of what?

Negativism and skepticism are a self-feeding mixture that lead the purveyor to only one end...Harumph-dom!

That is hardly what I have been doing. I have looked at the evidence, and found it severly wanting. I have not been negative in my trying to understand the evidence, I have merley come to a negative conclusion.

As for skepticism, I am, in fact, feeling quite glad for being so skeptical, because apparently, a lack of skepticism is leading a lot of people here into beleiving that perfectly natural rocks are the Pyramids, simply because someone is telling them so.

Skepticism is not beleiving something merely beacuse someone tells you its true, or because a lot of other people beleive its true, or, perhaps worst of all, because you want to beleive that its tru.

Go try a thread on cryptids if you're that sure about the pyramids,

I participate in a multitude of dicsussions on topics that I find interesting. I find this topic interesting. I was first attracted to it because the idea of Bosnian Pyramids is exciting. Then I saw the evidence, and, not merely was dissapointed, but distrubed that otherwise sensible people feel that natural and weathered rocks warrant ripping up an entire mountain or even that they indicate that there is a pyramid there.

As for those Stone Spheres.....excuse me...aren't those just a little bit more than weird, out of place, and in need of explanation...

They just came up now.

And I will say, flat out, nature can, will, and does form 'perfectly' round spheres, precisely like that.

Truth is Stranger than Fiction, as they say. Its a very, very, VERY weird world out there.

I'm just a goof ball American who loves Disney films about whip-toting explorers looking for hidden treasure.

Hey man, I never said I wasn't a goof ball.

You can't fold your arms and insist on this one, Nygdan.

How many stone spheres have they found????

How many?

I will admit that nature can form perfectly round stones....a few..maybe even 6 or 7 in any geographical area, but the biggest of those is BIG...a couple meters or more across.

And there are (correct me, I'm trying to remember the post on the official [pyramid] site), there are more than 20 of them - in the area of the pyramids.

I am currently studying pre-law. I've recently learned that in many criminal cases, if there is clear and convincing evidence (which technically means 75% uncontrovertible) showing something has happened, even though its circumstantial...it can lead to a conviction.

That is in some states, for some crimes. This is no crime. The only crime being committed here is the snuffing of the human spirit by those who would sooner hurl "can't be's" at the question rather than "what if's".

Nygdan - admit what must be allowed as far as questions. Don't preclude the possibility by stonewalling the process unnecessarily with unidirectional statements.

Darwinian, evolutionary thinking will rule in all cases that allow for free thought.

And that being said, don't ever change, man. You goofball!

Stone balls found in Bosnia and Herzegovina



Mysterious carved stone balls found across Bosnia are similar to ones found in Costa Rica.



To date, some 390 stone balls have been found in Costa Rica, all finely finished, but it is not clear how they were created as no tools have been found to explain this.



Some of these balls were found buried together with pieces of ceramics that suggest that these balls are at least 1200-1300 years old – dating them before the arrival of Christopher Columbus.



People who found these balls have said that they are always found in group of three, in the shape of a triangle, and always placed in the North-South direction. They are generally found on hills.



Two of these stone balls have been transferred to the USA (National Geographic Society in Washington, and Harvard University in Cambridge).



Various theories have been suggested to explain the presence of the stone balls in Costa Rica. American archaeologist Samuel K Lothrop (“Archeology of the Diquis Delta, Costa Rica”, Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology, Harvard University, 1963), for example, concludes that there is evidence that the stone balls have been oriented astronomically.



There has been little theorising to date about stone balls in Bosnia. Explorer Semir Osmanagic first heard about their presence from a Bosnian friend, Bojan zecevic, in 2004. They then contacted Bosnian historians and created a team to explore the phenomenon of the ‘Bosnian Stone balls’ .



They first explored the North West region of Bosnia and Herzegovina. In the village Trn near the town of Banja Luka they found that two balls had been used as part of a foundation of a house, each with a radius of 30-40 cm. They were finely polished and heavier than normal stone. A short distance from the house they found the pieces of a ball that had been cut in half; the damaged ball has a radius of one metre.





In the North Bosnian village of Teočak, eight balls have been found. All these balls are geometrically shaped but none of them are finely polished. They are granit and some of the balls have holes across their surface.

These stone balls have been found in several locations - a restaurant in Vares has even been named after the stone outside and is called ‘Kugla Restoran’ or Stone Ball Restaurant.





The largest stone ball found in Bosnia (near the village of Slatina, Banjaluka) is unfinished. Historians believe that it would have been polished to complete the geometric shape of the ball



Geologist Mile Vujačić believes that the Bosnian stone balls were produced naturally by water shaping the rock over a long period – although this conclusion is uncertain given the number of locations where these stone balls have been found and their correct geometric shape.



No one can be sure just how many of these stone balls exist in Bosnia but the number found to date may represent a small fraction of the true number. The balls have been buried over hundreds of years and only accidental findings are bringing them to light.

This text is taken from Semir Osmanagic’s book (Bosanska Piramida Sunca),

www.piramidasunca.ba...

edit for 'ex' tags and added link



[edit on 16-6-2006 by masqua]

Hey, those Balls they found, IS THIS REALLY IN BOSNIA?

Regarding the ones in South Amercia, I watched this show with some group of people attempting to figure out how these where created, and they put forth several theories, which they attempted to confirm of deny.

ANYHOW, they found, that once these are clean, and free from debris, they seemed to be pitted a bit, like it was hammered. THEN THEY POURED WATER ON THE PITTING, and it settled, and a message became visible. I do not know if the "Site Worker" was able to translate this, but I just wanted to point out, there maybe writing/markings on those Balls.

They may get an ancient Language, or glpyhs tpye symbols from looking carefully.

Then again, they may only get strained Eyes.

Ciao

Shane

Originally posted by maus

Originally posted by newtron25


Schliemann was an amateur archeologist with very rude ways to dig and uncover, thanks to him, we had TROY as reality, even if for centuries was only a legend, a myth ( inexistent)

but u know, he was an amateur, digging in a fantasy place

Schliemann was no more amateur than anyone else really at that time, there were no experts at excavation.
A lot of peoople thoght Troy was real. Schliemann even wanted to dig somewhere else but was persuaded to dig where he did. He gets credit for doing it, but not for discovering the place (if that really is the Troy of Homer, we don't know for sure), or for thinking it was real.

First, MANY thanks to Crvenkapica for the pictures and the additional information!

Let me talk about something that drew my attention in these photos:

Originally posted by Crvenkapica

We all agree we're seeing layers of manmade stone arranged in some sort of formation and with a clear purpose (road, floor, whatever.) But look closely at what lies in between the layers of stone.

It's dirt.

Why is that significant? Well, they wouldn't build a building with alternating layers of stone and dirt because during the first heavy rain, the dirt would start eroding and your building would collapse.

It looks very much like two different structures, with the first being built on top of the ruins of an older one. This was very commonly done throughout Europe and the Middle East. Many current towns are built on layers of older cities that are hundreds and thousands of years old.

I'm not seeing a unified structure, here, but rather layers of culture and buildings.

Re the Stone Balls in Bosnia... I think I'd like to see some independant confirmation of them. I find it very odd that nobody ever mentioned them throughout the centuries until Osmanagic announced their presence.

I have seen (in person) some of the Costa Rican balls. There's a lot of debate about them in academic circles -- one theory says that they were shaped by heating and then pouring water over the rocks (for those of you who are wondering, this kind of treatment of rock is very ancient. I was examining material from a site in Texas that's over 2200 years old and found rocks that had been heat treated and shaped.)

If we use Costa Rica as a model (and it's not a bad one), then we should expect to find these spheres in a variety of sizes, distributed throughout the region. Note this article, which talks about them being found in graves:
cml.upenn.edu...

This would indicate that the shape (and possibly the rock) was important to them. So *if* this is real, there should be hundreds of all different sizes around.

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
it appears that the international archeology cartel

LOL, that's a new one on me too. What sort of things do you have to do to get in this "cartel" - go to university and study for years? Do lots of research? As opposed to people who don't study, put on a Indiana Jones hat and shout their mouth off?

I believe I should go off and sulk. Nobody offered ME an Indiana Jones hat or a membership in an international cartel!

the elite will not want any major discoveries without their hands on it lest any useful technology and knowledge not come under their control.

What sort of technology do you think they will want to get their hands on? Axe heads? Pottery? Playstation 4?

So far, it's been axe heads, scrapers, arrowheads, bone sewing needles, pottery, woven mats and basketry and the occasional bead as well as piles of clam shells and various bones (turtle, mostly.) And yeah, we don't want you getting your hands all over the artifacts!

I wonder when my Secret Cartel membership will show up....