And it starts...

Originally posted by DaFunk13
I hope for everyones sake that this is all just rubbish. Aren't you guys tired of fighting? Am I the only one gunning for a utopia full of flowers, budweiser, and bong hits?

I'll be interested in that Utopia..... No Bud though..... that stuff is disgraceful...

Break out the Carlsberg Export......

Originally posted by Mehran
sorry but i didnt see any threats what so ever on what he said, notice how we can say what ever we want and nothing can happen to us so i really dont care.

No really he only meant he hopes for the best for Israel and doesn't want anything bad to happen to them right?

I wonder, if Iran does have a bomb and uses it, do they expect the rest of the world to sit by? Gee, I haven't seen somebody as dangerous to mankind as Ahmadenijad since Adolf Hitler. He actually thinks he can get away with commiting genocide. It's on. Iran will pay for it's crimes at the end of it all though. Belaruss reported 250 missing suitcase nukes, Our good friend prop even loves to brag about having them hid all over the place. Man, why did we invade Iraq, why not a place run by crazies such as Iran? Damn.....

[edit on 14-4-2006 by Nakash]

Originally posted by Nakash
I wonder, if Iran does have a bomb and uses it, do they expect the rest of the world to sit by? Gee, I haven't seen somebody as dangerous to mankind as Ahmadenijad since Adolf Hitler. He actually thinks he can get away with commiting genocide. It's on. Iran will pay for it's crimes at the end of it all though. Belaruss reported 250 missing suitcase nukes, Our good friend prop even loves to brag about having them hid all over the place. Man, why did we invade Iraq, why not a place run by crazies such as Iran? Damn.....

[edit on 14-4-2006 by Nakash]

Sorry but you're totally wrong in thinking that he thinks that he can get away with it if he does nuke Israël, which is impossible to do for them because they don't have a single nuke. (if China or Russia didn't sell one to them.

And the comparaison between Hitler and Ahmadenijad is plain stupid! Sorry but the most dangerous mans on earth is Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsefld and certainly not the Iran's president since he have no nukes and a poor army. The biggest problem in the middle-east is the Israël leaders policies. This is it, you can't even argue on that.

So stop the pro-war propaganda fed by you're news and you're crazy president, knows as Bush.

Sorry but you're totally wrong in thinking that he thinks that he can get away with it if he does nuke Israël, which is impossible to do for them because they don't have a single nuke. (if China or Russia didn't sell one to them.

And the comparaison between Hitler and Ahmadenijad is plain stupid! Sorry but the most dangerous mans on earth is Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsefld and certainly not the Iran's president since he have no nukes and a poor army. The biggest problem in the middle-east is the Israël leaders policies. This is it, you can't even argue on that.

So stop the pro-war propaganda fed by you're news and you're crazy president, knows as Bush.

While I agree with you about Bush and Company, there are some very unsettling aspects about Iran and its leader that make me think of Hitler in some ways. Mostly his rhetoric and want to destroy Israel, for Hitler it was Jews of course.

Look seriously at the comments he is making, and has made in the past 24 hours. Maybe some reading between the lines is needed here, after all, had the west paid a bit more attention to what Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf and what he spoke of in his speeches then perhaps a different outcome would have happened. Now look at the recent military bragging Iran has been making. Supposedly stealth missiles and boats with torps that can sink any ship.

The person making the most noise about a war is Iran and Armanass. Also consider that he talks about seeing lights around people, talking to ghosts, and thinks we are in the endtimes should also be cause for concern.

Also take note that he seems to be pushing a religious aspect as well, not too much unlike Mr. Bush. I think both these fools should have been around for the crusades and not now.

Any man that makes the claim to eliminate another country because he thinks the other people deserve it, is not a man but a child.

Children are insecure and kill or hit that which gets in there way. Children like to play games and live in fantasy worlds where they are the hero. Bush has made no claim to eliminate a country but he does like to play the hero. Right now we have two men in power that should not be.

Ahmadinejad is a child. As is any other person that wishes to eliminate another country be that Israel or Iran. Hopefully the wise and aggressive will put Ahmadinejad in a place where he can cause no harm, as should the US where a new president is needed.

Wisdom seems short of supply, but hate has filled the gap nicely.

What exactly makes Israel the 'good guys' and Iran the 'bad guys' in this scenario?

I think that if Iran really wants to conquer Israel so badly as to risk their own destruction, then they must have a legitimate reason. Why is it any of our business? What threat does Iran pose to the USA? Absolutely none! The only reason we are led to believe that Iran is such a threat is because Zionists have overwhelming control of our mass media.

We are Israel's bitch.

This forum is sooo infiltrated by the people who want war at all cost.

the COUNTRY Israel IS a threat to the middle east, because their nice uncle sam gives them all the weapons they want, and lets them use them aggressively. The self-defense angle is used up long ago. Israel is even a threat to northern europe. They came here and killed THE WRONG GUY and then admitted it. That was MISGUIDED revenge for the München olympics killings, and THAT is why God says that revenge is GODs! Because when PEOPLE take their own revenge, they DO WRONG THINGS like pick the wrong person! and this turns into a snowball effect of evil. Israel needs to stop avenging, and start being friendly.

The ONLY act of terrorism in my country was carried out by mossad agents, on orders from the Israeli government, namely the "revenge" killing mentioned above.

The word 'Jewish' does not begin with an 'I'. So don't even bother playing the racist card. Although Jew is a religion, not a race. Consepts are hard to grasp FOR SOME.

Yeah as Christian said, Iran and muslims in general and any sane person is against zionism and the COUNTRY AND IDEOLOGY of Israël, not his people! He's against the country, not the jews and he already said so as the Hamas leaders. And I totally agree with him because Israël is a real threat to peace in the middle-east, not the only threat but the worst. Why Israël wouldn't accept to dismantle his country and live happy and together with palestinians? Because they (the leaders and those who follow them) are racists against arabs. They considers them as the elite of the human race and the people bless by GOD. So they consider themselves as god, and treat others like crap!

Looks like the Iranians are rallying the middle east behind them, and breaking down some mental barriers to accepting israel's existence. Iran is the only nation really pursuing this on this level. Syria's out of the game by itself. If they lose it will be great for israel in the region and at home. If Iran wins it's a huge defeat for israel.

[edit on 15-4-2006 by NeoQuest]

While I agree with you about Bush and Company, there are some very unsettling aspects about Iran and its leader that make me think of Hitler in some ways. Mostly his rhetoric and want to destroy Israel, for Hitler it was Jews of course.

I've said this in another thread (on Iran, again...seems to be all that is talked about), but I'll say it again.

Hitler comparisons won't wash, your even misquoting him. Hitler blamed the Jews for the downfall of Germany, but, originally, he had no plans to "exterminate" them. He did actually plan to deport them all too..........Palestine! Of all places! So had the war gone well for Germany, the Jews would have got their land anyway.

The "Final Solution" was put in place as a sort of "we're going down so you are too" to the Jews and other poor sods in the camps. Up until 43/44, the camps were well supplied and no mass killings had taken place. Most of the dead in the Holocaust died from 43-45, when Germany knew the war was going badly.

EDIT: To add, many died of malnutriion caused by Allied bombing of German infrastructure, stopping supplies getting through to germans, let alone the camps.

[edit on 15/4/06 by stumason]

It doesn't matter what nejad said, much of what we here is still exaggerated beyond even comments like these. They recently stated that Iran could make a bomb in 16 days, and now I here that an Israeli general is saying 2009, what a world of difference. These guys either don't know what their talking about or are exaggerating on purpose. Either way were being hyped into fury.

At the end of the day this land will continously be fought over, but what's interesting is Nejad said that the Arabs, not Iran was getting ready to defeat Israel. Back in 2003 or 2004 or 2005 didn't Sharon fear a 2006 war from the Arabs. Many people are rushing so much to claim Iran is going to nuke Israel that their not paying attention, what we see is reactionary's.

Nevertheless Nejad statement are not incorrect about the threats to the middle east, whatever you think of him.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Yeah as Christian said, Iran and muslims in general and any sane person is against zionism and the COUNTRY AND IDEOLOGY of Israël, not his people! He's against the country, not the jews and he already said so as the Hamas leaders. And I totally agree with him because Israël is a real threat to peace in the middle-east, not the only threat but the worst. Why Israël wouldn't accept to dismantle his country and live happy and together with palestinians? Because they (the leaders and those who follow them) are racists against arabs. They considers them as the elite of the human race and the people bless by GOD. So they consider themselves as god, and treat others like crap!

Hmmmmm......lets think about this, why on Earth would Israel give up their country? Hey why don't we make the US dismantle and give the land back the the Native Americans? Also while were at it, why don't we make China give Tibet back?

What a crappy bull# post the above is. Arabs are racist against Jews and always have been. Who straps bombs to themselves and runs into crowded buses or bus stations? Who started the wars against Israel?

On a bigger scale, there is one group causing problems all over the world and it isn't the Jews or Christians. In Asia, namely Indoneasia it is Muslims causing problems, same in the PI. In the Middle East it is all Muslims causing the wars and terrorism and killings. Even against other muslims. In Europe they cause murder and terrorism, not to mention the terror attacks of 9/11 in the US. The real problem in the world are the Muslims. They are so violent that they can't even stop from killing other muslims who don't subscribe to their cult.

Originally posted by stumason
The "Final Solution" was put in place as a sort of "we're going down so you are too" to the Jews and other poor sods in the camps. Up until 43/44, the camps were well supplied and no mass killings had taken place. Most of the dead in the Holocaust died from 43-45, when Germany knew the war was going badly.

Well, no.

The “final Solution” was put into effectual preparatory order (July 31, 1941) six months prior to the US declaring war on Germany and within the same month of Germany’s assault on the Soviet Union…hardly a “low point”.

Immediately following the Germany’s Soviet offensive and before the US entry into the war with Germany over 150K Jews were shot en masse just in this six month period,(Babi Yar or Odessa etc) and “Zyclon-B” was tested at Auschwitz for the first time in September of 1941 and used effectively for the first time in January 1942 the same month of the “Wannsee Conference” (a few weeks after the entry of the US into the war) in the same month the SS Einsatzgruppe A reports (+,-) 230,000 Jews killed… in January of 1943 this number was reported at over a million. The “mobile extermination units/squads” (which also began in September of 1941) as reported by the SS Einsatzgruppe had killed over a million during 1942 as well.

I will agree many were killed from 1943-1945, but Germany's war did not begin turn until the winter of 1943.

mg

Originally posted by freakyty
What exactly makes Israel the 'good guys' and Iran the 'bad guys' in this scenario?

I think that if Iran really wants to conquer Israel so badly as to risk their own destruction, then they must have a legitimate reason. Why is it any of our business? What threat does Iran pose to the USA? Absolutely none! The only reason we are led to believe that Iran is such a threat is because Zionists have overwhelming control of our mass media.

We are Israel's bitch.

Thank you !

And look at how many people can't even provide an emotion on this,
or have removed their reply.

Originally posted by scarecrow19d

What a crappy bull# post the above is. Arabs are racist against Jews and always have been. Who straps bombs to themselves and runs into crowded buses or bus stations? Who started the wars against Israel?

Who attacked this nation on 9/11 ?

Who attacked this nation on 9/11 ?

Who shuffed "The State Of Israel" through their throats in 1948?

Originally posted by Contentious

Originally posted by scarecrow19d

What a crappy bull# post the above is. Arabs are racist against Jews and always have been. Who straps bombs to themselves and runs into crowded buses or bus stations? Who started the wars against Israel?

Who attacked this nation on 9/11 ?

ARABS/MUSLIMS

You know, the same people who used to hijack planes and boats in the ME in the 80's. The same people who strap bombs to themselves and kill women and kids. Don't play ignorant.

Originally posted by freakyty
What exactly makes Israel the 'good guys' and Iran the 'bad guys' in this scenario?

I think that if Iran really wants to conquer Israel so badly as to risk their own destruction, then they must have a legitimate reason. Why is it any of our business? What threat does Iran pose to the USA? Absolutely none! The only reason we are led to believe that Iran is such a threat is because Zionists have overwhelming control of our mass media.

We are Israel's bitch.

Ok enlighten us please. Show me where Israel has made any threats against Iran like Iran has against Israel. Show me where Israel supports any terror group in Iran like Iran does with Hezbollah in Leb. to attack Israel.

Remind me again who said who should be "wiped from the face of the Earth" who is a "broken tree", and who denied the deaths of over 6 million people.

Which regime held US Diplomats and innocents hostage for 444 days? Who is hiding their nuclear program and threatening to close the straits of hormuz if any sanctions are brought against them? Who is supplying the terrorists in Iraq with weapons?

Now tell me again who the good guys are and who the bad guys are?

Originally posted by scarecrow19d
Show me where Israel has made any threats against Iran like Iran has against Israel.

- Israel refrains from just venting angry rhetoric (mores the pity) and just attacks and invades her neighbours when she feels like it.

Feel free to point out any instances where Iran has attacked her neighbours, never mind Israel.

[qoute] Show me where Israel supports any terror group in Iran like Iran does with Hezbollah in Leb. to attack Israel.

- IIRC there is a 'terrorist' goup active in Iran (the MEK, Mujahedin-e Khalq) which has been getting 'western' support.......but the 'terrorists' 'we' support are freedom fighters, right?
(that's if the activities of any 'terrorist groups' 'we' support are reported at all, hmmm?)

Remind me again who said who should be "wiped from the face of the Earth" who is a "broken tree", and who denied the deaths of over 6 million people.

- Woooooo, an idiot got carried away at a public rally, is hostile to Israel and called Israel names and also questioned whether 'the holocaust' story is 100% true.

Offensive, yes. Stupid, maybe.
Just cause for another dumb and disastrously counter-productive ME war?
I think not.

Which regime held US Diplomats and innocents hostage for 444 days?

- The one that came after the Iranian people overthrew the barbaric and repressive regime the US actively propped up for so long, hmmmmm?

Taking hostages is never going to be right but you can hardly criticise this without referring to what went before.

The US supported Shah's regime was a grossly brutal and very repressive one that 'birthed' what 'we' see today.
Fact.

Who is hiding their nuclear program

- How is that?
They are not hiding their nuclear program.

How can they be hiding their program when the IAEA inspectors are actually there inspecting their installations right now (as they have been for years).

The "program" was hidden until 2002, 4 yrs ago.

You may be interested to know that since 2002 the IAEA actually say Iran has been in compliance with their treaty obligations.

and threatening to close the straits of hormuz if any sanctions are brought against them?

- What "threat"

Can you back that claim up by showing it sourced by another new outlet (anyone!) other than a single Israeli news outlet?.
You know you can't.
Pure hysterical propaganda, just like 'we' had pre-Iraq war and from many of the same sources too.

Who is supplying the terrorists in Iraq with weapons?

- Isn't it interesting that the US Marine Generals on the ground disputed this claim (another Bush lie?).

Now tell me again who the good guys are and who the bad guys are?

- .......and therein lies the problem with some people.

It isn't a case of black and white, it isn;t as simple as that.
Their government guys aren't pure evil and 'our' government guys certainly aren't the honest heros in white either.

Wake up.


[edit on 15-4-2006 by sminkeypinkey]