The Mormon Church Sex Abuse Conspiracy

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Really? Then why does the "Gnostic" call some women HARLOTS and feel that some women need to be thrown out of windows? Seems like quite the contradiction....doesn't it?

I didn't refer to "some women".



I said:

Originally posted by Tamahu
But Jezebel, the Scarlet Harlot of Babalon that we all carry within our psycholgoical space, is a different story.

It is a downfall to NOT throw her out of the window of the mind.

Do you understand what I'm talking about?

I'm not talking about actual women.

Quit twisting things and taking them out of context.

Respect ALL women? Yes or no? All women means ALL women! The way you feel about women makes me wonder what your sexual orientation truly is...

You have no idea how I feel about women.

So shut your mouth.







[edit on 28-11-2006 by Tamahu]

Tamahu --------

The Black Lodge is the Dark Side of the Illuminati we could say.

What exactly is this... "black lodge" exactly? In reference to Masons?... There is no "Black Lodge" in Masonry?

Gnosism.

I don't even know how this came up within a discussion about the tragedies of child abuse.

shut your mouth.

Just talkin' bout Shaft!

But seriously....seems like I struck a nerve!!

Gnosism.

I don't even know how this came up within a discussion about the tragedies of child abuse.

I have to agree with you RockPuck.

Tamahu...care to talk about the subject of the thread?


[edit on 28-11-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

Terms & Conditions Of Use ring a bell?

They should, as they still are, and always will be in effect.

Play nice.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
What exactly is this... "black lodge" exactly? In reference to Masons?... There is no "Black Lodge" in Masonry?

Not necessarily.

FreeMasonry, it is said, was originally a gift to humanity from the Great White Brotherhood.

But the Black Lodge from Klipoth exists as well.

Gnosism.

I don't even know how this came up within a discussion about the tragedies of child abuse.

It was in the context of Black Lodge VS White Lodge in regard to the existence of such things as child abuse, homosexuality, etc.; the latter tragedies existing because of the Black Lodge.



See this: www.abovetopsecret.com...





Regards








[edit on 28-11-2006 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Just talkin' bout Shaft!

But seriously....seems like I struck a nerve!!

Well there's a difference between tolerating the egos of others, and letting others emasculate one.





Most times one should imitate the Peaceful aspect of Buddha:








And at other times one ought to emulate the Wrathful Buddhas, against the enemies of the Dharma, such as stiff-necked homosexuals and their supporters:

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Tamahu...care to talk about the subject of the thread?

The original topic?


See my last post.






[edit on 28-11-2006 by Tamahu]

Originally posted by Tamahu
And at other times one ought to emulate the Wrathful Buddhas, against the enemies of the Dharma, such as stiff-necked homosexuals and their supporters:

So you feel that you need to violate a human beings rights by "emulating the wrathful Buddhas" and deny homosexuals rights? Whatever...off topic.

HU = Breath of Life: Christ-Chokmah, TeHUti of Ancient Khemet, HU of the Druids, HUng or HUM of Tantric Buddhism, HUeHUeteotl of the Aztecs, etc.

MAN = Manas or Mind: The Original Black Man, Tiphereth, Netzach, Heru, Hetheru, etc.


So homosexuality, which is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, is a violation of Hu-Man rights!





[edit on 28-11-2006 by Tamahu]

So homosexuality, which is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, is a violation of Hu-Man rights!

Tamahu...could you stay on the topic or start another thread? This is getting out of hand. Being homophobic is fine, but you're taking it to a whole new level and it is completely distracting from the topic of this thread...

Mods?

The topic of this thread is child abuse within the Mormon church. If you have something to add to this topic Tamahu, then fine. Otherwise, find someplace else to spew your hate.

I'm simply answering the objections to my posts that were originally in the direct context of the topic of this thread.

Nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by Tamahu
I'm simply answering the objections to my posts that were originally in the direct context of the topic of this thread.

Yes, I apologize. I argued with Tamahu's statements and played a large role in getting this thread off topic. My bad.

To get back on the subject, here's an article about an instance when the Church paid 3 million dollars to settle a lawsuit regarding a child abuse case:

www.prnewswire.com.../www/story/09-05-2001/0001566613&EDATE=

The mother of one of the victims said that the Mormon Church not only covered up the fact that one of their clergy had committed these crimes, but gave him a new calling, (job), instead of what they should've done and ex-communicated him:

The church is so concerned about its public
image," Sandra Scott charged, "that it hide the truth from me that it had
recycled a known pedophile into a position of authority in the church where he
had unlimited access to young children."

Wow, and listen to this:

The church claimed throughout the litigation that it had a constitutional
right to "wipe the slate clean" of any member who had "repented" for his abuse
of children and had been forgiven by the church.

The Mormon Church really does think they're God. I don't think the Constitution gives anyone the right to play God, not even a Judge.

[edit on 28/11/06 by an3rkist]

"The topic of this thread is child abuse within the Mormon church."

Just a few short posts ago Mirthful Me asked nicely that everyone stay on topic. The time for nice is over.

Post according to the topic of the thread or serious action will have to be taken.

Originally posted by an3rkist
Wow, and listen to this:

The church claimed throughout the litigation that it had a constitutional
right to "wipe the slate clean" of any member who had "repented" for his abuse
of children and had been forgiven by the church.

The Mormon Church really does think they're God. I don't think the Constitution gives anyone the right to play God, not even a Judge.

If this is true about the Mormon church, then they're contradicting point-blank the teachings of the Master Jesus:

Arcanum 17: Hope


Wherefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy (fornication) against the Holy Ghost (the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in Yesod-Sex) shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaks a word against the Son of Man (the Atom Nous in the Heart), it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost (the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in Yesod-Sex creates Kamaduro and) it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world (of Assiah-Malkuth), neither in the world to come (Eden, the Promised Land). - Matthew 12:31-37

No one, not even Jesus, a church, or anyone else can forgive such crimes.

The church claimed throughout the litigation that it had a constitutional
right to "wipe the slate clean" of any member who had "repented" for his abuse
of children and had been forgiven by the church.

Thanks for the new info an3rkist! This is quite disturbing. This seems worse than anything I have heard coming from the Catholic church. They felt they had a "constitutional right" to put pedophiles back out to abuse more children. Meanwhile the abused children are given a life sentence. They will NEVER be the same again....and this is the right way to run a religion according to Gordon Hinckley and his cronies......

Is anyone in any religion safe?

BTW....I gave a you a WATS an3rkist!

Hmmmm, I'm not going to post the link because this really isn't a very credible source, but something this source said is kind of interesting. This person asks if the Mormon religion's polygamist past could have anything to do with the present-day pedophilia problem in the Church. I wasn't sure how past practices could affect today's member's behavior, but this person suggests that the Mormon religion of the past, with its polygamy and its Blood Atonements and whatnot, could have created a culture within the Mormon religion that could possibly lead members into such sins as pedophilia. Interesting... I'm not sure how that would work, but interesting nonetheless.

Wow, I just read something else interesting:

"The case is unusual not only because the church disclosed the amount of the settlement, in advance of news conferences by the plaintiffs' lawyers today, but also because it centers on alleged abuse by a man who held no ministerial or leadership role. That man died in 1995." -NY Times, Sept 5th, 2001

And apparently this man had indeed been excommunicated for pedophilia before, but was forgiven of his sins by the Church, and appointed High Priest, (and a Boy Scout master from what I've read.

Mr. Curtis had been previously excommunicated after being accused of molesting children. But when he came to live with the Scotts, his membership had been restored and he held the title of high priest. He had not been criminally charged with abuse at that point, but later pleaded guilty to molesting Mr. Scott --NY Times, Sept 5th, 2001

The Church had records of his excommunication, but failed to inform Mrs. Scott that a pedophile was moving into her house with her and her son.

This might not be entirely significant, but the state of Utah, which is approximately 75% Mormon, has the 12th highest rate of child abuse per capita population in the nation:

www.mazeministry.com...

[edit on 28/11/06 by an3rkist]

Originally posted by Tamahu

Originally posted by Rockpuck
What exactly is this... "black lodge" exactly? In reference to Masons?... There is no "Black Lodge" in Masonry?

Not necessarily.

FreeMasonry, it is said, was originally a gift to humanity from the Great White Brotherhood.

But the Black Lodge from Klipoth exists as well.

Gnosism.

I don't even know how this came up within a discussion about the tragedies of child abuse.

It was in the context of Black Lodge VS White Lodge in regard to the existence of such things as child abuse, homosexuality, etc.; the latter tragedies existing because of the Black Lodge.



See this: www.abovetopsecret.com...





Regards








[edit on 28-11-2006 by Tamahu]

There is no Black Lodge. There is no White Lodge. I can assure you, it is not to hard to understand, but the two simply do not exist. I am sorry, but you will have to live with the Blue Lodge taking over the earth!

The Blue Lodge is the first three degrees of Masonry. There is then I suppose you could say a Red lodge, that being the Scottish Rites.. Only because everything is.. red?

No Black Lodge. Sorry. And again. No White Lodge. I have never even heard of a White Lodge??? .. Are you making that up lol? Also, Freemasonry was a "gift to the great white brotherhood" ????? There is truth, there is fabrication, there is blatant lies. This, for your benefit I will include in undereducated and or choosing not to see the truth. Have you ever been to a Masonic Lodge?? .. I would encourage you to go visit, and ask the Masons there to show you the Black Lodge. The Masons will enjoy a good laugh.

EDIT:

For the topic of the thread, all churches have sexual abuse, especially children. Not every building, every denomination. Last week even here in my home town a pastor was arrested for abusing a few dozen girls and adult females. Sad really. No one in the church will believe he did it, I am unsure of the actual denomination I think it was just a local non-affiliated church?

But to say only Catholics rape kids. To say only Mormons rape kids, that would be incorrect. I believe the media was purposeful in exposing Catholic sex scandals, and I think the mostly Protestant nation of America would be less inclined to hear stories of Methodist, Baptist or Televangelist sex scandals.

[edit on 11/28/2006 by Rockpuck]

Okay, so I should believe you before Manly P. Hall or J.D. Buck?

The scoundrels of the intellect who deny Manly P. Hall, are no different than the ones who denied Cagliostro and H.P. Blavatsky.

Tamuh, what in the world are you talking about???

Your rambling on and on about it. No, you do not know the truth because you read books from guys who CLAIM to know ANYTHING. Sorry to disapoint you..

The website that I am linking and getting the following information was not put together incredibly well, and does in fact have some misleading information, but some of the information is good and is verified. Whoever wrote this just simply didn't have knowledge of how the Mormon Church works, so some things he mentions are insignificant or ignorant. However, I chose a few verifiable things he said that I find relevant to this thread. This information is in reference to one of my previous posts about how polygamy practices of Mormons in the earlier days of the Church may have some correlation with the pedophilia problem in the Church today:

Because of the practice of polygamy there was a shortage of women in Utah. The competition for those who were not married became intense, and many men were marrying girls who were very young. On page 607 of her book, Stenhouse commented about the matter: "That same year [1872], a bill was brought into the Territorial Legislature, providing that boys of fifteen years of age and girls of twelve might legally contract marriage, with the consent of their parents or guardians

George D. Smith did a great deal of research on polygamy in the early years of Mormonism. He discovered that Joseph Smith was not only sealed to a fourteen-year-old girl, but also to a fifteen-year-old girl and to two girls who were sixteen years old. All of these sealings to young girls occurred when Joseph Smith was between thirty-seven and thirty-eight years of age.
In his article George Smith included a list of 153 men who took plural wives in the early years of the Mormon Church. When we examined this list, we noted that two of the young girls were only thirteen years old when they were lured into polygamy. Thirteen girls were only fourteen years old. Twenty-one were fifteen years old, and fifty-three were sixteen years old

www.xmission.com...

I'd like to add that when I was raised in the Mormon Church and learned about history, these things were not mentioned to me. We were taught of the polygamist pratices, but not of minors being included in the polygamist marriages, and definitely not of that 1872 bill. The Mormon Church not only covers thing up to hide from the public, but it's infamous for hiding things about it's bloody and not-so-nice past from its own members. I knew nothing of the Mountain Meadows Massacre until I left the Church.

[edit on 28/11/06 by an3rkist]

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Tamuh, what in the world are you talking about???

Your rambling on and on about it. No, you do not know the truth because you read books from guys who CLAIM to know ANYTHING. Sorry to disapoint you..

See the following quotes from Manly P. Hall who held the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite, regarding the Great White Brotherhood:

www.abovetopsecret.com...