The Mormon Church Sex Abuse Conspiracy

All the talk today is about the abuse within the Catholic Church (i.e. pedophile priests). It seems the Mormon Church is looking to compete with the Catholic Church for more than just members:

Synopsis: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is finding itself the subject of lawsuits alleging sexual abuse. As with the incidents within the Catholic Church, Mormon officials are accused of knowing about the abuse, not reporting it to the police, and trying to contain the information. NPR's Howard Berkes says dozens of lawsuits are now being prepared against the Mormon Church. (8:11)

Narrator: Another lawsuit was filed this past week involving priests and bishops and sexual abuse, but the suite does not target members of the Catholic Church. This suite, and at least two-dozen earlier cases, named the eleven million member Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The suites charge that Mormon leaders failed to protect children from abusers. From Salt Lake City NPR, Howard Berkes reports.

source: www.kosnoff.com...

Gordon Hinckley should spend some of his billions taking care of this problem and paying off the victims. Oh wait, I'm sure he has been paying off victims for a very long time!

[edit on 3-4-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

It's a known fact that many Mormon men have been abusing young, under-age girls for centuries. It seems to be part of the religion somehow. And most women in these polygomist marriages are lesbians (the adults). That is why they don't mind there being so many wives. In fact, the more the merrier, because each has to spend less time with the husband then and more time with each other.

The men use their religion and Jesus to manipulate, brainwash and scare young girls into submission. This is one organization that needs to be broken apart. I don't care about freedom of religion. When young people are being abused and raped, it needs to have an end put to it and the abusers need to be put away. This religion attracts an awful lot of pedophiles!

Same thing in the Catholic Church. It's a mess and the Vatican is corrupt. When is someone going to tear down that unholy mess of a religion? The priesthood also attracts an awful lot of pedophiles!

God doesn't want religion....man does! Bad men use religion to do all kinds of awful things to people. It's time that some awful things were done to these "religious" leaders!

Hell yeah, that's what I'm talking bout! Leave the kids out of it!

And most women in these polygomist marriages are lesbians (the adults).

First The LDS church (the "main stream " org.) outlawed polygamy in 1890. Only
fringe sects like Jeffs Fundamental church still practice it.
Second please provide supporting evidence for your lesbian comment. Not opinion
but verifiable , substantiated evidence.

That is why they don't mind there being so many wives. In fact, the more the merrier, because each has to spend less time with the husband then and more time with each other.

again,provide supporting evidence for your lesbian comment. Not opinion
but verifiable , substantiated evidence.

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
And most women in these polygomist marriages are lesbians (the adults). That is why they don't mind there being so many wives.

Really? Where did you get that bit of information. I was under the impression that they were just brain-washed into believing that they had to live this way. I had no idea that this was the case.

Why isn't the homosexual community rallying behind these women?

And most women in these polygomist marriages are lesbians (the adults). That is why they don't mind there being so many wives.


Really? Where did you get that bit of information. I was under the impression that they were just brain-washed into believing that they had to live this way. I had no idea that this was the case.

The lesbian concept has been debated for a long time in regards to Mormons that still practice polygamy...and let's face it...there are still plenty that do. I live in Arizona and there's plenty around me and plenty in Utah, where I spend a lot of time as well. I have spoken to these women. The Mormon church teaches that the man is the king and the woman is subserviant. These women use these men to take care of them. Just like the men use these women as slaves for the most part. These women have been brought up Mormon and don't know anything different. Some have had enough of their own minds to leave the church and many leave Utah and the area all together. But, many don't know any other way to live. So they allow themselves to live in these polygamist relationships and the only thing keeping them sane is having the other women to cling to for support, love, etc.....Many of the underage girls that are abused by these men turn to women as they develop a justified hate toward men....partly because they don't know any other type of men. And besides causing Post Traumatic Stress, child abuse causes all sorts of other problems.

There is an awful lot of depression amongst Mormon women as well. Whether LDS or otherwise. The LDS male church members aren't saints just because they no longer practice polygamy. The women are still treated as second class citizens and women of color are treated even worse....and any woman that comes out and admits to being a lesbian is treated even worse than women of color!

Here's a great link to a large study by Kent Ponder, Ph.D., who is actully LDS himself. He admits the problems within the church and admits that Utah has the highest Prozac usage rate amongst women of any other state in the US.

source: www.ldswriters.net...

THIS REPORT IS ADDRESSED TO:

• LDS women taking antidepressants, and/or considering or undergoing psychological therapy, especially LDS women of color, Lesbian LDS women, and LDS women temple-married to homosexual men.
• Those concerned about women as above described.
• LDS religious counselors, and LDS professional psychological therapists who treat women as above described.

One reason why these churches are so full of Satanic activity(sexual abuse, child abuse, homosexuality, etc.), is because they deny the Science of Sexual Transmutation taught by authentic Gnostic Christianity!

The Manual of Practical Magic


All Christian and Neo-Christian religions: Protestants, Catholics, Adventists, etc. study the Bible literally.

All those sects study the prophecies in an absolutely intellectual and literal manner.

We, the Gnostics, like to converse personally, face to face, with the angels in order for them to explain the prophecies to us.

We are completely practical and we know how to talk to the angels and to the prophets.

Whoever wants to be a magician must obtain the sword.

The sword is the Kundalini.

The sword is the Fire of the Holy Spirit.

We gain nothing with filling our heads with theories.

We gain nothing with interpreting the Bible literally as is done by the Adventists, Protestants, Presbyterians, etc.

The best thing is to learn to talk with the angels and the prophets.

Only like this do we tread on sure paths.

We should liberate the mind from all kinds of desires, emotions, reasoning, intellectualism, theories, vanities, etc.

It is better to love a good spouse and to practice Sexual Magic everyday with our spouse, than to waste time with polemics, intellectualism and foolishness.

Thus we acquire the sword of the Kundalini and we awaken all of our magical powers, to enter through the doors of the triumphant city.

The mind is the donkey that we must ride in order to enter into the celestial Jerusalem on Palm Sunday.

The mind is the den of desire.

When the mind assaults us with useless representations, when the mind ambushes us with its lowly passions, let us talk to the mind like this:

“Mind, remove from me these desires; mind, remove from me these passions, I do not accept them from you, you are my slave and I am your Lord, until the end of time.”

[edit on 21-11-2006 by Tamahu]

One reason why these churches are so full of Satanic activity(sexual abuse, child abuse, homosexuality, etc.)

Homosexuality isn't Satanic friend. Perhaps Homophobia is!

Words of Christ as spoken through Jesus of Nazareth:

The Pistis Sophia


Bartholomew said, “A man who hath intercourse with a male, what is his vengeance?”

Jesus said, “The measure of the man who hath intercourse with males and of the man with whom he lieth, is the same as that of the blasphemer.

That is:

The Pistis Sophia


Jesus said, “If the time of such an one is completed through the sphere, the Receivers of Yaldabaoth come after him and bind him by his tongue to a great demon with a horse’s face; they spend three days travelling round with him in the world, and take vengeance on him.

“Thereafter they lead him into the region of the cold and of the snow, and take vengeance on him there eleven years.

“Thereafter they lead him down into the chaos before Yaldabaoth and his forty-and-nine demons, and every one of his demons taketh vengeance on him another eleven years.

“Thereafter they lead him into the outer darkness until the day when the great Ruler with the dragon’s face who encircleth the darkness, shall be judged. And that soul becometh frozen up[?] and destroyed and dissolved.

What does the Victorious One, the Buddha have to say about it?

Vinaya


"The pandaka (Pali for "homosexual") had been ordained in a residence of monks. He went to the young monks and encouraged them thus, 'Come all of you and assault me.'

"The monks spoke aggressively, 'Pandaka, you will surely be ... spiritually destroyed. Of what benefit will it be?" ...

He went to some large, stout novices and encouraged them thus, 'Come all of you and assault me.'

The novices spoke, 'Pandaka, you will surely be destroyed. Of what benefit will it be?'

"The pandaka then went to men who tend elephants and horses and spoke to them thus. 'Come all of you and assault me.' The men who tend elephants and horses assaulted him.

"The Blessed One then ordered the monks, 'Behold monks, a pandaka is one who is not to be ordained, ... and (pandakas) who have already been ordained must be made to disrobe."

His Holiness The 14th Dalai Lama:

It's part of what we Buddhists call 'bad sexual conduct.' Sexual organs were created for reproduction between the male element and the female element and everything that deviates from that is not acceptable from a Buddhist point of view.

Between a man and man, a woman and another woman, in the mouth, the anus, or even using a hand.

The Master of Abhidharma(Buddhist Kabbalah) Vasubandhu:

www.berzinarchives.com...


Since both Chinese and Tibetan Buddhism base their practice of ethical self-discipline on Vasubandhu's texts, their lineages still include homosexuality in their lists of inappropriate sexual behavior.

Samael Aun Weor


Question: Does a homosexual or a lesbian have any possibility of regenerating themselves working in the Great Work?

Samael Aun Weor: The answer is a little bit painful. Have you ever known at any time in life, a perfectly regenerated homosexual?

Question: A homosexual who regenerates is not a homosexual any more?

Answer: Have you ever known any homosexuals, who in their life have truly, one hundred percent, stopped being homosexual?

There are none, because they are degenerated seeds, they can not be remade, because they are rotten. It is like degenerated vegetable seeds, which do not germinate, even being sown in a very good soil and in the best conditions, they do not germinate because they are degenerated.

So, there are also human seeds, human germs, which even being germs, are degenerated, and in any way they can be changed (or improved). Try to regenerate a seed, a vegetable germ, try to place it in perfect conditions to germinate, to see if it germinates after demonstrating that it is degenerated. Obviously it would not germinate. The same happens with the germs deposited in the sexual glands; a degenerated germ never germinates. A man can not come from it; he is a lost case.

Regards






[edit on 22-11-2006 by Tamahu]

Tamahu....religion is nonsense. All it teaches is hate. If the Bible says to "Love thy Neighbor" doesn't that mean to love everyone? No matter what race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, etc......??

To each his or her own. If it has nothing to do with you, why do you care? What do homosexuals have to do with YOUR life? Are you afraid of them? Do you think they may turn you into one? Are you afraid you are one and you must pretend to hate them in order to hide the truth?

Isn't there enough hate in the world already? 10% of the world's population is gay. Get over it. What do you suggest? Should will kill them all off?

Live and Let Live!

[edit on 22-11-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Tamahu....religion is nonsense. All it teaches is hate. If the Bible says to "Love theyNeighbor" doesn't that mean to love everyone? No matter what race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, etc......??

Yes we should have Compassion for them, because their human souls have ahead of them a very long and painful stay in the hell realms.

And I might end up right there with them(though not to say that my sexual crimes have been that heinous); but that doesn't change the fact that they'll reap what they sow.

Isn't there enough hate in the world already?

Yes.

But pointing out facts is not hate(which reminds me that we left the topic of this thread right after my initial post in it).

10% of the world's population is gay. Get over it.

Really?

That many?!?

What do you suggest? Should will kill them all off?

Live and Let Live!

I do "Live and Let Live!", so long as it's not all up in my face.

Homosexuals do carry in their atmosphere some nasty infectious, astral-larvae though.


Back to the topic...

Yes we should have Compassion for them, because their human souls have ahead of them a very long and painful stay in the hell realms.

That is your opinion. And you have a right to your opinion even though it is incorrect!

And I might end up right there with them(though not to say that my sexual crimes have been that heinous); but that doesn't change the fact that they'll reap what they sow.

Comparing your "crimes" to someone elses doesn't make yours less than what they are. People only compare themselves to others to take the attention away from themselves and so they can say "Well, I'm not as bad as so and so....."

What are they sowing? Are they sowing something that affects your life?

I do "Live and Let Live!", so long as it's not all up in my face.

Homosexuals do carry in their atmosphere some nasty infectious, astral-larvae though.

You do live and let live? Really? If you have conditions, then you don't live and let live. Homosexuals carry nasty infectious astral larvae? What the hell does that mean? You think homosexuals have problems? I think you need to work on yourself.....

Are you in the closet?

[edit on 22-11-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

Double post? What is going on with my computer??




[edit on 22-11-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

Sorry...triple post! My computer is messed up??




[edit on 22-11-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

There is sexual abuse in walks of society from the Police, religious members, Doctors, Hotel industries, most countries in the world no matter who they are and the White House.

And the problem is?
It's nothing new in this world tramps probably do it too to each other and as soon as you add society or a name for these people everyone is a sexual abuser. I think yes its sad this happens but why are people like suprised?

There is sexual abuse in walks of society from the Police, religious members, Doctors, Hotel industries, most countries in the world no matter who they are and the White House.

And the problem is?

And the problem is? So you think sexual abuse is okay? It happens everywhere, so we should just accept it? I'm not sure what to say to you.....but I find your way of thinking quite disturbing.

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy

There is sexual abuse in walks of society from the Police, religious members, Doctors, Hotel industries, most countries in the world no matter who they are and the White House.

And the problem is?

And the problem is? So you think sexual abuse is okay? It happens everywhere, so we should just accept it? I'm not sure what to say to you.....but I find your way of thinking quite disturbing.

I find it disturbing that because they are Mormon or religious they get singled out. One reason is because Mormons are not really respected out side their religion which adds fule to fire anyway. That is why this story is out it seems because they are Morman and to be honest if it was not for that what interest does it have from what most people know happens in a lot of respected places anyway?

No its not right as stated previously but its not a large issue to say OHH MY I am suprised Mormans are so nice anyway... Sorry to put the post down just don't see much meat to it.

Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
That is your opinion. And you have a right to your opinion even though it is incorrect!

Yeah, opinions.

They're a pain aren't they?

Even though I'm not a seasoned practitioner by any means, I'll at least start by following the Golden Thread that unites all authentic religions, and it says that homosexuality is a crime against the Holy Spirit(the very power of Creation itself).

Comparing your "crimes" to someone elses doesn't make yours less than what they are. People only compare themselves to others to take the attention away from themselves and so they can say "Well, I'm not as bad as so and so....."

That's not what I was implying.

I was just saying that there is no guarantee for any of us that we won't end up there.

And I do admit, that pretty much all of us, since "fall of Adam and Eve", have the ego of homosexuality buried deep in our subconscious somewhere.

But I also have to admit that if I do have to go to hell, you can bet it isn't for getting it on with another man(at least not in this life).

So what? I'm not afraid to stand up and oppose such extreme blasphemy.

Most people these days are too sissy to do so.

Tolerance doesn't always mean Compassion.

Sometimes we gain karma for allowing degeneration.

What are they sowing?

Karmasaya and Kamaduro; and a lot of it.

Are they sowing something that affects your life?

Yes, it's right up in my face almost every day.

You do live and let live? Really? If you have conditions, then you don't live and let live. Homosexuals carry nasty infectious astral larvae? What the hell does that mean? You think homosexuals have problems? I think you need to work on yourself.....

Are you in the closet?

Of course I have to work on myself, quite a bit.

But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't oppose extreme falsehood and blasphemy.


And even if I were in the closet(or out), why would I hide it on-line where nobody knows my face, name, etc.???

:shk:




Astral Larvae?



See: THIS


And it is a pain to have try to stay cleansed of them when we're surrounded by them at our jobs and what-not all day long.

So yes, gays do affect me.




Regards





[edit on 22-11-2006 by Tamahu]

And it is a pain to have try to stay cleansed of them when we're surrounded by them at our jobs and what-not all day long.

So yes, gays do affect me.

Homosexuality isn't a disease...and it isn't an infectious disease. What if you had to work next to someone that had cancer? Would you complain? Or diabetes? Would you complain?

Stay cleansed of them? You need to learn tolerance and understanding and throw away the hate! your hate does more damage to you than anyone else!

Originally posted by Tamahu
Bartholomew said, “A man who hath intercourse with a male, what is his vengeance?”
Jesus said, “The measure of the man who hath intercourse with males and of the man with whom he lieth, is the same as that of the blasphemer.

Just because homosexuality is shunned by some or even all organized religions doesn't mean it is satanic. If you're going to quote the bible on this subject then I hope you are not a man who shaves his beard, because that is also considered a sin:

Originally posted in Leviticus 19:27

Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

Or perhaps I'm misinterpreting this verse; a common mistake made by many Christians, I might add. (I am not Christian, however.)

Anyway, back to the subject at hand...

I was raised in the Mormon Church. Like any other religion or any organization that has kids as members for that matter, it provides an ideal avenue for pedophiles to explore their attraction. I think pedophilia is as much as a disease or mental disorder as anything else, and I think instead of simply imprisoning pedophiles they should be helped, (unless they have committed a crime.) If we afforded potential pedophiles an opportunity to be helped BEFORE they acted on their impulses, perhaps this matter could be prevented. Anyway, I don't think the Mormon pedophile problem is any worse than that of any other religion. But I could be wrong.

[edit on 26/11/06 by an3rkist]