Atlantis and its inhabitants the original White Race?

Originally posted by pRoPhEcY
Put your thinking cap on.

"The darker your skin, the greater your ability to absorb energy". It is in fact scientific. The problem is, you are completely unfamiliar with the science.

The darker your skin, the greater your ability to absorb one kind of energy, ie heat. Do you mean that dark-skinned people are more sensitive to heat than light-skinned ones? Or are you speaking of some obscure and mysterious way of extracting information from lightbulbs, fires and the sun, that only people of colour possess? Sounds a bit silly.

And, ah, would this science I'm unfamiliar with be something other than physics?

On the other hand, I can find no reason to agree with you that melanin is a neurotransmitter.

I feel you homey, my word is born.

Evidently you can find no reason to support the assertion, either.

And the idea that black skin constitutes a "sixth sense" is pure fantasy.

As opposed to impure fantasy, like White Supremacy.

Ah. So you're a black supremacist. Is this any better, ethically speaking, than being a white supremacist? You may pass on this question if you feel it is too difficult.

What does this sixth sense sense?

Energy. Which is what the Five senses sense, silly simpatico sassafrasser!

Good one. But each of the five senses responds to a different kind of energy: the eyes to light, the ears to sound, the nose to chemical energy and so forth. What kind of energy is dark skin particularly sensitive to?

Does the relative blackness of one's skin indicate just how well one is endowed with it?

'Does the relative blackness of one's skin indicate just how well one is endowed.." Oopsy! Someone slipped on their Freud.

Well spotted. Now go and read a little literature, and discover that the phrase "well endowed" is quite a common one, used by educated people to refer to the possession of an adequate or more than adequate helping of whatever quality is being discussed. It would be rude to accuse you of having a dirty mind, so I'll just leave the possibility open.

And how come white people and Orientals seem to get by without it?

Ah...er...well...um...I don't know about the "Orientals", but I understand there are those who claim the 'white' people may have an "empathy" deficiency.

Dark skin is a transducer for mental energy? The same sort that certain people wear tin hats to protect them from? Ah, now, I'm beginning to get it.

If you have any evidence to support these ideas, let's have it.

Yes great sir. And shall I refer to you as Mr. BossManPerson, or just BossManPerson?

You may call me what you like. But if you have any evidence to support these assertions of yours, you'd better come up with them in your next post, or I'll be making use of my Ignore button for the first time since I joined ATS.

Originally posted by pRoPhEcY
Black people are inherently more than equal to everyone else.

'More than equal'? What does that mean? It is not a competition.

There is a human family, and the Black people are the parents.

Actually they is some scientific speculation that asians are actually the 'original' race.

As I said, in the society of KeMeT(Egypt), Black skin is understood as the basis for sensory perception.

I'm sure blacks do not have more sensory receptors than whites or anyone else.


[edit on 11-4-2006 by riley]

Originally posted by Astyanax
The darker your skin, the greater your ability to absorb one kind of energy, ie heat. Do you mean that dark-skinned people are more sensitive to heat than light-skinned ones?

"Brown sugar, how come you dance so good?"

Or are you speaking of some obscure and mysterious way of extracting information from lightbulbs, fires and the sun, that only people of colour possess?

Do plants emanate energy? How about people? Or water?

And, ah, would this science I'm unfamiliar with be something other than physics?

What is that science that involves turning lesser metals into gold? Al khem.
Arabic. "Of the Blacks". Khemistry?

Evidently you can find no reason to support the assertion, either.

Ever been to a Black church?

Ah. So you're a black supremacist. Is this any better, ethically speaking, than being a white supremacist? You may pass on this question if you feel it is too difficult.

"Black supremacist"? No. I believe everybody should pick their own cotton, and nurse their own chi'ren. "Too difficult"?

Good one. But each of the five senses responds to a different kind of energy: the eyes to light, the ears to sound, the nose to chemical energy and so forth. What kind of energy is dark skin particularly sensitive to?

Try to define the word "energy", and discover your error.

Well spotted.

Like a leopard?
"Like a leo-pard......HEY!...touched for the very first time! Like a le-eh-eh-eh-pard... la la LA la....."

Now go and read a little literature,

See Dick run.
Run, Dick, run.
See nose run.
Wipe, nose, wipe.

and discover that the phrase "well endowed" is quite a common one, used by educated people to refer to the possession of an adequate or more than adequate helping of whatever quality is being discussed.

Yes.
It is also used by edgercated peoples to describe the Neegroze "more than adequate helping", a MAJOR preoccupation of Western civilization.

It would be rude to accuse you of having a dirty mind, so I'll just leave the possibility open.

"Open" like the legs of Paris Hilton?

Dark skin is a transducer for mental energy? The same sort that certain people wear tin hats to protect them from?

The same sort from which certain people wear tin hats to protect themselves.

Ah, I'm beginning to get it.

Love takes time.

You may call me what you like. But if you have any evidence to support these assertions of yours, you'd better come up with them in your next post, or I'll be making use of my Ignore button for the first time since I joined ATS.

Well, then, Mr. what you like, what does the absence of "evidence" in my post tell you?

Originally posted by riley
'More than equal'? What does that mean?

Our worth is measured by our humanity. So we are all of the same worth. All equal.
But the fact is, in terms of genetics Black is the dominant quality.
Lenny Kravitz and Halle Berry, for example, are two people who are the products of a Black/White union. Physically, they have the characteristics of the Black parent.
Of course, I will be accused of "racism" for stressing this.
And the people who will make that accusation are the same people who pump their sewage into the ghetto.

Actually they is some scientific speculation that asians are actually the 'original' race.

Genetic science shatters that speculation. "Black" cannot come from "Yellow" or "Brown". It is not possible. "Yellow" and "Brown" come from "Black".

I'm sure blacks do not have more sensory receptors than whites or anyone else.

Western civilization maintains that there are 5 senses.
African civilization maintains that there are 6.
Why is that?

If we all had the same colour of skin we'd be arguing superiority over colour of eyes or hair or summat.

Fact is: all humans are humans. There is no difference. Period.

(Except racists, who are clearly sub-human )

And the colour of our ancestors skin is about as important as how many seeds there were in the tomato you ate last night.....

Originally posted by pRoPhEcY
But the fact is, in terms of genetics Black is the dominant quality.

Yet evolution favoured a white mutation for 'dimmer' areas. If blacks were genetically dominant; whites would have been bred out.

Lenny Kravitz and Halle Berry, for example, are two people who are the products of a Black/White union. Physically, they have the characteristics of the Black parent.

Only that they have dark skin, eg. Vanessa Williams has blue eyes. There are no doubt physical traits inherited from white parents.. but somehow I doubt you would taking this into consideration as you seem to think that skin colour is more important than anything else.

Of course, I will be accused of "racism" for stressing this.

If you are suggesting that skin colour defines a persons value then yes you probably would be.

And the people who will make that accusation are the same people who pump their sewage into the ghetto.

Care to elaborate? I have no idea what you are on about.

Genetic science shatters that speculation. "Black" cannot come from "Yellow" or "Brown". It is not possible. "Yellow" and "Brown" come from "Black".

I don't think they know enough about evolutionary genetics to make this conclusion as yet.

Western civilization maintains that there are 5 senses.
African civilization maintains that there are 6.
Why is that?

I'm white, have had preminitions and can be very 'empathic'. It is considered to be a 'sixth sense' - it's otherwise known as 'fai' in celtic culture. Is this the sense you mean?

[edit on 11-4-2006 by riley]

Ok, FOUR pages of discussion regarding black/white skin pigmnentation???

This has nothing to do with Atlantis so I have moved this thread (although the trash would seem a better choice).

We don't know where Atlantis is so I am quite sure we won't figure out the race here. One thing is for sure. The Disney cartoons "Atlantis" were not created by experts. It's FANTASY ENTERTAINMENT.

Even if Atlantians were a specific race and more advanced then their neighbors, it would probably be due to regional/cultural advancements over skin color.

Originally posted by pRoPhEcY
The Blacks can produce all of the others, but none of the others can produce Black.

This is true, but so can everyone else. "Red", "Yellow", "Brown", "Black", and "White" are all colours that are the result of differing concentration of a pigment, melanin. So called Whites have a low concetration of melanin in their epidermis. So called Blacks have a high concetration of melanin in their epidermis. With those groups, there is variation. Variation can be selected upon to produce higher or lower concentrations in future generations.

There is a human family, and the Black people are the parents.

I'm sorry but this isn't exactly true. We don't know what the ethnicity of the first humans was, and I'd doubt that they were Bantus. If anything, apparently its the aborigines of australia, specifically the tribes that live on the coasts, that have the best phsyical 'fit' to the most 'primitive' traits, but this is all meaningless. All humans are human, all human populations have been breeding with one another for thousands of years, and all populations have been changing all along. Its preposterous to think that there are still people today who have not changed from the first few tribes of humans.

As I said, in the society of KeMeT(Egypt), Black skin is understood as the basis for sensory perception.

Who cares? The egyptians, if they thought that, didn't know anything about perception then. Having a concetration of melanin above a certain level doesn't make a person's skin more sensitive to touch, and, in case you didn't know, the other senses are accomplished through your eyes, ears, nose, and mouth.

Al khem.
Arabic. "Of the Blacks". Khemistry?

Khem means burnt or black. What does this matter? Alchemy is false, and the arabs developed alchemy into something that the europeans were able to turn into chemistry.

what you like, what does the absence of "evidence" in my post tell you?

That you not only have no idea as to what you are talking about but that you are fundametally miseducated in how the world around you operates.

Physically, they have the characteristics of the Black parent.

Physically, they are one half one parent and one half the other. They are neither as dark as the darker parent nor as pale as the paler parent. Furthermore, when people who have one black parent and one white parent reproduce, their offspring have a much wider variation in terms of skin colour than their parents, some are darker, and some are paler.

Western civilization maintains that there are 5 senses.
African civilization maintains that there are 6.
Why is that?

Western civilization maintains that there are 5 senses, and so do most other civilizations, because there is only evidence for 5 senses. If there is some other magical sense that can't be detected through evidence, and thus can't be experienced and can't actually operate in the world, then, well, who cares?

riley
Actually they is some scientific speculation that asians are actually the 'original' race.

Based upon what evidence? What do you mean by 'asian', orientals, dravidians, iranians, assyrians, indonesians, melanesians, ainu?

I don't think they know enough about evolutionary genetics to make this conclusion as yet.

Enough is known to know that it is false that only a black bantu population can, in the course of evolution, produce all the other varieties of melanin concentration.
Infact, its absurd to even suggest it.

[edit on 11-4-2006 by Nygdan]

Originally posted by riley
Yet evolution favoured a white mutation for 'dimmer' areas. If blacks were genetically dominant; whites would have been bred out.

A "white mutation"

Is it possible that white people are in fact an albino population?

If you are suggesting that skin colour defines a persons value then yes you probably would be.

Obviously I am not suggesting that, but I will be accused regardless.

Care to elaborate? I have no idea what you are on about.

Nope.

I don't think they know enough about evolutionary genetics to make this conclusion as yet.

Some information.

I'm white, have had preminitions and can be very 'empathic'

Do you feel it is some great crime for me to emphasize the fact that the term "Orientals" is a wee bit out of date?

It is considered to be a 'sixth sense' - it's otherwise known as 'fai' in celtic culture. Is this the sense you mean?

That's fine. What I am saying is that a darker-skinned person has a greater or stronger 'fai'.

Originally posted by pRoPhEcY
Is it possible that white people are in fact an albino population?

Doubtful. Alibinos lack pigmentation, both in the skin, hair, and eyes. Whites have skin pigmentation, they just have low levels of melanin in their skin.

So tell me, is that african albino kid not special like other black people? Is he 'insensitive' ?

If you are suggesting that skin colour defines a persons value then yes you probably would be.

Obviously I am not suggesting that,
You do seem to be suggesting it, in so far as you seem to be saying that black people have an activated sixth sense, and that because of this they are the ones that were able to develop civilization, chemistry, etc etc.

Some information.

Which of those papers do you think supports your claim that only a black bantu population can produce japanese, laplanders, dravidians, iranians, italians, etc?

Do you feel it is some great crime for me to emphasize the fact that the term "Orientals" is a wee bit out of date?

Who cares if some people think Oriental is out of date? Its a perfectly descriptive term. People from the far east are Oriental, people from the west are Occidentals. What does it matter if we also call things 'oriental vases' or 'oriental rugs'? The term is perfectly descriptive.

It is considered to be a 'sixth sense' - it's otherwise known as 'fai' in celtic culture. Is this the sense you mean?

That's fine. What I am saying is that a darker-skinned person has a greater or stronger 'fai'.
Because of an increased concentration of melanin? In the upper layers of their skin??

How exactly is this supernatural 'fai' energy being picked up by the melanin chemical, considering that its undetectable?

pRoPhEcY, you disappoint me. I was hoping for a lot better.

Just for the record:

I have absolutely no interest in the question of where the 'white race' originated. I don't 'do' 'races'. As far as I'm concerned, the only 'race' is the human race.

I find racism utterly repellent, no matter what the skin colour of the person indulging in it.

I originally joined this thread to clarify a point about the evolution of dark skin, namely that it protects against sunlight, not heat. To make, that is, a scientific point. And even though no-one seems to have paid much attention to my point, I've made it.

My job is done. I don't have to put up with this garbage any more. I'm outta here.

Originally posted by NygdanThis is true, but so can everyone else. "Red", "Yellow", "Brown", "Black", and "White" are all colours that are the result of differing concentration of a pigment, melanin.

So a white man and a white women can give birth to a black baby? The way a black man and black woman can give birth to a baby with blond hair and blue eyes? That's rich. Please explain.

So called Whites

Who is it that calls white people "white people"? White people.If you have a problem with that, take that up with THEM, not me.

have a low concetration of melanin in their epidermis. So called Blacks have a high concetration of melanin in their epidermis. With those groups, there is variation. Variation can be selected upon to produce higher or lower concentrations in future generations.

That statement reflects a fundamental lack of understanding of genetic science. Ask me what I do for a living.

I'm sorry but this isn't exactly true. We don't know what the ethnicity of the first humans was

Wrong. A black person in southern Africa will have, on average, 85% of the different human genetic variatons within their being. The first people were black people and that is a fact.

Its preposterous to think that there are still people today who have not changed from the first few tribes of humans.

Another example of your fundamental misunderstanding of genetic science.
What is your background, have you studied the science for many, many years?

Who cares? The egyptians, if they thought that, didn't know anything about perception then.

Yes, they were not very bright, were they?

Alchemy is false, and the arabs developed alchemy into something that the europeans were able to turn into chemistry.

"Al khem" is how Arabs describe Egyptian science. "Of the Blacks." Wrong again.

you are fundametally miseducated in how the world around you operates.

"fundametally miseducated" or fundamentally miseducated?
I graduated summa cum laud, how 'bout yo sef?

Physically, they are one half one parent and one half the other.

Another colossal blunder. Not even close.

well, who cares?

Not I, said the spider to the fly.

By the way, I just looove your new avatar!!!

Originally posted by Nygdan

Do you feel it is some great crime for me to emphasize the fact that the term "Orientals" is a wee bit out of date?

Who cares if some people think Oriental is out of date? Its a perfectly descriptive term. People from the far east are Oriental, people from the west are Occidentals. What does it matter if we also call things 'oriental vases' or 'oriental rugs'? The term is perfectly descriptive.

I am not black power by any means, and I do not mean to interrupt your interesting conversation, however, I find your choice of words ironic, especially from an etymological view.

Occidental is quite descriptive, you are correct. The root of occident is occidio/occido, which is to massacre/fall,fall down or set (for the sun)Fitting indeed isn't it?

Originally posted by pRoPhEcY
So a white man and a white women can give birth to a black baby?

A population of 'white' people can be selected for increasingly darker skin, just like a population out of nigeria can be selected for increasingly paler skin.

Who is it that calls white people "white people"? White people.If you have a problem with that, take that up with THEM, not me.

I don't have a problem with it, just trying to be accurate.

That statement reflects a fundamental lack of understanding of genetic science. Ask me what I do for a living.

I could care less if you were a geneticist or a laundry man. If you think that a population with melanin in their epidermis can't be selected for 'more melanin', then you are wrong, regardless of education or vocation.

Wrong. A black person in southern Africa

What black people? Bantus? Hottentots? Pygmies?

85% of the different human genetic variatons within their being.

All that shows is that they are variable. I'd agree that the original human population was from africa, I'd agree that they didn't look like modern italians, indians, or chinese or jews. I'd also expect that they didn't look like the modern populations that speak bantu, or somalis, if anything I'd expect that they'd've looked like the kalahari bushmen, but even then, we have no idea what they'd really look like.

Another example of your fundamental misunderstanding of genetic science.

Explain why its expected that the original tribe of humans has remained completely isolated and has not changed.

Yes, they were not very bright, were they?

That particular idea was not very bright, no.

"Al khem" is how Arabs describe Egyptian science. "Of the Blacks." Wrong again.

I stated that alchemy doesn't work, in so far as transmutating substances, and that the arabs experimented with it, and from this we get the basis for the modern working science of chemistry. What exactly is wrong in that statement?

I graduated summa cum laud

The fact that someone graduate with high honours from a school, and yet beleives that having black skin makes a person super-sensitive to undetectable mystical energies, is an embarassment for that degree granting institution. Regardless of whatever honours someone else decided you were worthy of, your ideas here are ludicrous, and your inability to defend them sensibly or even discuss them without making constant arguements for your own authority really shows that those honours were entirely undeserved.

Another colossal blunder. Not even close.

Excuse me, but a person inherits half of their genes from one parent, and half from the other.

By the way, I just looove your new avatar!!!

This one:

Whats wrong with it?

The root of occident is occidio/occido, which is to massacre/fall,fall down or set (for the sun)Fitting indeed isn't it?

Mwaha, yes, I like it. Ironic, yes! I didn't know that, thanks.

The first people are Black People.

There is a period time where there are no other "races".

There are human beings and those human beings are Black and there are no other human beings.

Add some color to the white eggs.

Happy Easter.

Thankyou for ignoring all the points I brought up and not bothering to explain some of your odd statements.

Originally posted by pRoPhEcY
There are human beings and those human beings are Black and there are no other human beings.

So now whites are not even human beings? :shk:
It's hard to consider you as being 'super-sensitive' when you are incapable of even realising skin colour is literally only skin deep.

Even if the folks of Atlantis were the source of the "White Race," whatever that is, it still doesn't mean they were all that and a bag of chips. After all according to the story, they got whupped pretty bad by the old Athenians. So how advanced and great were they, really? They apparently didn't use their airplanes and rockets and laser beams on the Athenians.

P.S. - As for skin color, if you shave an ape (be careful), you'll find that their skin is white underneath. So I guess that proves white people are probably closer to apes than black people, who have evolved more to protect their hairless skin from the sun.

[edit on 12-4-2006 by Enkidu]

From what I understood about Aryans, they migrated from central Europe to the Indus river valley, and interbred with those people. THat is why South Asian people have charecteristics similar to a European whites, and natives of the area. They also migrated to a bunch of other places after that. This would mean that the Origin of the white race would be somewhere in central Europe, and not some disney cartoon.

I may be wrong about this, after all I read it on the internet, but isn't it theorised that Atlantis fell in a war with an advanced South Asian civilization?

I haven't seen the Disney cartoon that everyone is talking about, but did it really say that white people descended from an advanced civilization? That the rest of the world was primative dark skinned people, and that white people spread civilization from Atlantis? If so, when I have kids, they will NEVER watch a Disney movie with my permission.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
From what I understood about Aryans, they migrated from central Europe to the Indus river valley, and interbred with those people. THat is why South Asian people have charecteristics similar to a European whites, and natives of the area.

The problem is that the north indians are genetically related to other central asians, not europeans.

I may be wrong about this, after all I read it on the internet, but isn't it theorised that Atlantis fell in a war with an advanced South Asian civilization?

You might be juxtaposing Atlantis (as a super advanced civilization) and the Ram Empire (a super advance civilization in india who's final war is recorded in the vedas and ramayana, where the gods are men with super weapons).