Atlantis and its inhabitants the original White Race?

Originally posted by michaelanteski
My understanding is that Melatonin is a hormone which is active at receptor sites in the brain which have to do with the sleep-wake cycle. Melanin is a pigment - the more of it the darker the skin.

That is my understanding, too. pRoPhEcY appears to know, or think, otherwise. Let's hear from her (or him). I'm going to take some convincing; hope this isn't some kind of racial-supremacist deal. Though I'll buy even that if the science is good. Really, really good.

How do we account for blond hair and blue eyes?

A very small minority of people in the world demonstrate this phenotype.

Now there are plenty of other people who exist in very cold climates but do not have blond hair and blue eyes. They are "people of color".

If you are outside on a very hot day, and you are wearing Black clothing, you feel even hotter, because the color Black absorbs energy.

So the idea that skin whiteness is a result of evolutionary biology for the sake of being better able to absorb heat maketh no thenth.

Why do the Africans, in their splendid Blackness, demonstrate such Unequaled Greatness, which you can see upon the walls of the tombs?

Why are the white peoples crawling around in caves and throwing rocks at the moon while the Black Africans are solving the extremely complicated geometric equations in order to build The Great Pyramids?

"Lord of the Perfect Black". Osiris. The Great African God Figure.

Perfect Black Skin.

Now, go outside and let the sun shine on you.

Originally posted by iori_komei
prophecy,
WolfOfWar is right, we were origonally a totally black race, the skin pigment evolved in our simian ancestors (atleast that's what I figure, been so long since I read the whole skin pigment evolution info, that I don't remember exactly), anyways, when people moved north to colder climates white skin developed to absorb more sunlight, caucasians are not albino, though I think albino's re the true white people, since they are closer to white than caucasians in general.

This is all based on the "Out-of-Africa" theory, which has come under reconsideration of late as more 'early-man' fossil findings are being unearthed. The two competing theories are "Out-of-Africa" (Single-origin hypothesis) and "Multiregional" (Multi-origin hypothesis).

Here:
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Origins of Modern Humans: Multiregional or Out of Africa?






seekerof

www3.nationalgeographic.com...

Check out the above URL. It is the site for the National Geographic genographic project, which is a project that traces DNA. You send in your saliva sample, they take the DNA from tehre and then can trace the path your ancestors took out of Africa.
DNA doesn't lie and all of the results of the project point to the fact that we all came out of Africa. Everyone was originally black.

I've got that copy of National Geographic on my coffee table.

The map on page 64 shows the path of the migration, starting at 200,000 years ago for modern humans. The oldest human remains found were at a place called Omo Kibish and they were dated at 195,000 years.

One part I'm not agreeing with is the map itself. The migrations happened in 'fits and starts' rather than a steady flow north and eastward as the article seems to promote. The ice ages would have made the shorelines very different...ie the British Isles would have been connected to the mainland. During that time, the people must have flooded onto that part of the world. The Bering Strait is another crossing point.

One more complication is the development of ocean worthy boats...the dating keeps getting advanced further and further back in time (from what I've read) and a seafaring people got around a lot faster.

I'm not denying the fact that modern humans (Homo sapiens) came out of Africa, only that the map provided in the magazine is not a certainty.

Still a very interesting read...

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Originally posted by forestlady
www3.nationalgeographic.com...

Check out the above URL. It is the site for the National Geographic genographic project, which is a project that traces DNA. You send in your saliva sample, they take the DNA from tehre and then can trace the path your ancestors took out of Africa.
DNA doesn't lie and all of the results of the project point to the fact that we all came out of Africa. Everyone was originally black.

That is CORRECT.

The whole Human Family is of the Black Originals. Brush up!!!

Much good stuff on this site.

Originally posted by WolfofWar
But heres the question, where did the Atlanteans come from then?

Most genetic traits from our more primitive beings can trace the path of man from the inners of Africa. THe Aryan race idealogy, and even the theories of Atlantis, were all propaganda the nazis made to make the people of Germany feel superior to all else.

Do you actually believe that all people's on the face of the earth had their origin in Africa? Maybe if the northern section was aryan in the time of highest Egypt we can see the white race coming out of Africa.

Okay folks lets look at the facts not the propoganda that was spun by liars and pedaphiles aka the nazi's and the closet type anglophiles who are still among us.
the myth began when? when an egyptian priest supposedly was retelling his overhearing the tale of a atlantean survivor of the war between egypt and atlantis. A survivor who would die as a slave in a land not his own. a tale that made for interesting conversation for a bunch of old guys sitting around in togas trying to outdo each other. so obviously they'd embellish a few things to sate their personal desire to be the best story teller and win the bet.
Now jump a couple of centuries ten or fifteen(whatever) we find ourselves with a people in need of justifying the existence of evidence showing that modern man's view of the world is wrong. That they were not the top of the ego totem pole. Add to the fact this goose stepping group of fascists were seeking to place their country, their race and their hodge podge mish mashed state religion they'd created to bind the german people together; ontop of the new world pyramid scheme and you get the every nazi's attempt since then to glorify themselves as being both special and pretty. in essence they were able to sate their ego and their vanity by taking what remained of the clues and cutting out anything which didnt fit to make their new idealogy work.
I wasnt surprised that the number of comments about this subject at first did seem like another anglophile boardpost but i was glad to see a few comments point out that people who are blinded by arrogance and prejudice are willing to rewrite the truth to fit their scheming.
As far as atlantis goes folks the real name is lost to us. as for where did this lost continent reside? Cmon get real for centuries no one in europe knew the america's existed. the only people who did were those who held onto knowledge which if they'd been found out would have led to their being turned into more kindling for the bonfires the ruling elite and its corrupt priesthood luved to load with fresh meat for their dinner.
be real the continents of north and south america and antarctica all possess the proof that they were home to a civilization that predated the establishments cover story.
Remember the story goes atlantis was destroyed. And it was. it's people were scattered all around the world where they continued to be hunted by their enemy.
the people of atlantis werent individuals by nature. They made the mistake of choosing to take the higher road. War wasnt their way. They made the mistake of accepting those who outwardly were human but inwardly were serpents into their midst, embracing them as brothers.
they were decieved much like their descendants the native tribes were decieved when the european colonialists arrived.
hence---the more things change the more they stay the same.

as for the origins or legacy of the white race look else where. perhaps even to the asteroid belt between earth and mars.
or maybe towards the caucasus mountains which is rich with a history of genocide and serpents claiming to be men

after rereading everyones comments I gotta give you all much luv and respect for actually making things interesting.

Originally posted by pRoPhEcY
How do we account for blond hair and blue eyes?

A very small minority of people in the world demonstrate this phenotype.

Now there are plenty of other people who exist in very cold climates but do not have blond hair and blue eyes. They are "people of color".

If you are outside on a very hot day, and you are wearing Black clothing, you feel even hotter, because the color Black absorbs energy.

So the idea that skin whiteness is a result of evolutionary biology for the sake of being better able to absorb heat maketh no thenth.

Human skin has one pigment, a chemical called melanin. This pigment functions to protect the lower layers of skin from the effects of solar radiation, it basically blocks the light. In some climates, there is a lot of direct and intense sunlight, so the skin of people in these regions tends to have lots of melanin to protect themselves. In other regions, the sunlight is less intense, and less direct, and there are even fewer hours of sunlight. So in these regions, a lot of melanin isn't required to protect yourself from cancer. In addition to that, the body needs some sunlight to get thru, because its important in the production of vitamins and the maintenance of health. In the tropics, again, there is so much light, that a healthy amount still makes it through. In the cloudy and low intensity regions, the inhabitants have lighter colour and thus are able to absorb a healthy amount of sunlight.
So that is why we see dark skinned people in africa, australia, even parts of south america, but paler people in tierra del fuego, canada, europe, korea, etc.

Even within 'nations', this can be see, if you look at south indians, who are close to the equator and have high melanin concentrations, and north indians, who are further from the equator and have lower melanin concentrations.

Why are the white peoples crawling around in caves and throwing rocks at the moon while the Black Africans are solving the extremely complicated geometric equations in order to build The Great Pyramids?

Because of culture. Human civilization is a cultural trait, not a biological one.

The whole Human Family is of the Black Originals. Brush up!!!

This is actually somewhat misleading. No race today is more 'primitive' than the other 'races'. We don't know what the original skin colour of the earliest humans was, but considering that they evolved the low lattitudes, they were definitely dark skinned. Whether they would be recognized as 'black people' today is a different matter. Just because it was in africa doesn't mean that they stereotypically conformed to what we think of as 'african' today. For example, most black people in the west are descendants of a group called the Bantus, from western sub-saharan africa. In the east, its a different group. In the extreme south, another group also. Eventually Bantu's migrate from the west down into the south.
In the north of africa, we see other groups of peoples. There is no one 'african type' that is the most primitive 'race' of humans or something like that.

Maybe if the northern section was aryan in the time of highest Egypt we can see the white race coming out of Africa.

"aryan" is a pretty meaningless term, about as meaningless as 'black'. Aryan really, at most, describes a language group. The aryan languages spread from central asia/iran a long time ago, but really have nothing to do with the spread of humanity.

Originally posted by Nygdan

The whole Human Family is of the Black Originals. Brush up!!!

This is actually somewhat misleading. No race today is more 'primitive' than the other 'races'. We don't know what the original skin colour of the earliest humans was, but considering that they evolved the low lattitudes, they were definitely dark skinned. Whether they would be recognized as 'black people' today is a different matter. Just because it was in africa doesn't mean that they stereotypically conformed to what we think of as 'african' today. For example, most black people in the west are descendants of a group called the Bantus, from western sub-saharan africa. In the east, its a different group. In the extreme south, another group also. Eventually Bantu's migrate from the west down into the south.

From an evolutionary point of view, all humans came from Africa and had dark skin...when they migrated to colder climates they evolved lighter coulored skin, though i fail to see why given that Black is the superior absorber...just to break it down.

Originally posted by ARES
And all of our european languages that everyone speaks all have common roots to the Atlantean langauage (even the disney movie says this).

Just think about this all.

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Haa~ Disney?... The same Disney that sneaked a giant penis in the lion king? This is hilarious... Oh god my stomach...

Originally posted by 9ine_Lives
though i fail to see why given that Black is the superior absorber...just to break it down.

Again it is not colour itself that is the adaption but the amount of melonin. Black skin has more so protects from the sun.. white skin has less so is less protected and therefore more absorbent.. they are only 'superior' to eachother depending on the climate.

pRoPhEcY, I was hoping for something a little more interesting (and scientific) than "the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice".

I agree with your opinion that our species originated in Africa. The best current research seems to indicate it. And it seems not at all unlikely that the colour of our earliest human ancestors' skin was dark, due to a high melanin content.

On the other hand, I can find no reason to agree with you that melanin is a neurotransmitter. And the idea that black skin constitutes a "sixth sense" is pure fantasy. What does this sixth sense sense? Does the relative blackness of one's skin indicate just how well one is endowed with it? And how come white people and Orientals seem to get by without it?

If you have any evidence to support these ideas, let's have it.

Originally posted by 9ine_Lives
when they migrated to colder climates they evolved lighter coulored skin, though i fail to see why given that Black is the superior absorber...just to break it down.

Its not that it was a colder climate, its that it was a dimmer region, with more cloudy skies. Your skin needs to absord some sunlight, melanin blocks sunlight. In the tropics, this is important, because there is so much sunlight that you will get skin cancer. In the polar and temperate regions, there is so little sunlight that you can't be blocking so much of it.

Astyanax
I can find no reason to agree with you that melanin is a neurotransmitter

Its not, its just a pigment. However, the cells that make melanin, melanocytes, are derived from the same early embryonic cell layers that give rise to lots of other tissues, including amoung them the nervous tissues.

Regardless 'skin color' doesn't make one 'race' better than another, either way ya slice it.

Originally posted by Astyanax
pRoPhEcY, I was hoping for something a little more interesting (and scientific) than "the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice".

Put your thinking cap on.
"The darker your skin, the greater your ability to absorb energy". It is in fact scientific. The problem is, you are completely unfamiliar with the science.

On the other hand, I can find no reason to agree with you that melanin is a neurotransmitter.

I feel you homey, my word is born.

And the idea that black skin constitutes a "sixth sense" is pure fantasy.

As opposed to impure fantasy, like White Supremacy.

What does this sixth sense sense?

Energy. Which is what the Five senses sense, silly simpatico sassafrasser!

Does the relative blackness of one's skin indicate just how well one is endowed with it?

'Does the relative blackness of one's skin indicate just how well one is endowed.." Oopsy! Someone slipped on their Freud.

And how come white people and Orientals seem to get by without it?

Ah...er...well...um...I don't know about the "Orientals", but I understand there are those who claim the 'white' people may have an "empathy" deficiency.

If you have any evidence to support these ideas, let's have it.

Yes great sir. And shall I refer to you as Mr. BossManPerson, or just BossManPerson?

Originally posted by Nygdan
Its not that it was a colder climate, its that it was a dimmer region, with more cloudy skies. Your skin needs to absord some sunlight, melanin blocks sunlight. In the tropics, this is important, because there is so much sunlight that you will get skin cancer. In the polar and temperate regions, there is so little sunlight that you can't be blocking so much of it.

Very cold. Must cover body in clothes.

Its not, its just a pigment. However, the cells that make melanin, melanocytes, are derived from the same early embryonic cell layers that give rise to lots of other tissues, including amoung them the nervous tissues.

Still haven't offered to explain blond hair and blue eyes.

Regardless 'skin color' doesn't make one 'race' better than another, either way ya slice it.

Yes! Snowflake is just as good as any other gorilla!

Originally posted by pRoPhEcY
Very cold. Must cover body in clothes.

We're actually not talking about the arctic or anything like that here. If you notice, in the levant the peopel are naturally darker than the natives of lapland, but they are clearly not as dark as the peopel living on the equator, but its not cold in the levant to where you'd be spurred to invent clothes.

Still haven't offered to explain blond hair and blue eyes.

There is only one skin pigment in humans, melanin. Blondes, redheads, brunettes, etc, all have varying doses of melanin in the hair shafts. I can't imagine why there are blondes and readheads in some regions, people with black pint straight hair in other regions, and still others who's hair turns blonde but is otherwise kinky and black in other regions.

Darwin, I suspect, may have hit the nail on the head. He felt that the differences between the 'races' was due to sexual selection, iow, in some places, blondes were prefered, this meant that all blondes got to reproduce into the gene pool. In other places, other features were favoured and thus 'selected for'. But the variation is allways there, especially with skin and hair colour, its just a matter of the concentration of pigment. In fact, its not even a matter of darker 'races' having more melanocytes, all the races have the same basic amount, its simply due to the concentration of the melanin in the skin.
As far as eye colour, no idea. Don't see how having brown eyes makes someone a super-human though.

Yes! Snowflake is just as good as any other gorilla!

Snowflake was an albino gorilla, and acted like any other gorilla. Darker gorillas aren't smarter or more civilized or something.

Black people are inherently more than equal to everyone else.

The Black ones can produce Brown, Red, Yellow and White.

The Blacks can produce all of the others, but none of the others can produce Black.

There is a human family, and the Black people are the parents.

As I said, in the society of KeMeT(Egypt), Black skin is understood as the basis for sensory perception.

Originally posted by C G Fleischer
Young man,
some really cool maps you got there. By the way, the Atlanteans came from space. They are aliens.