Many Masons are quite simply in the dark.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Hey guys! You got another chance, i prefer old school, they have a functioning hierarchy, which you do on paper... Have fun on the enforcer role

originally posted by: Hyperia
Hey guys! You got another chance, i prefer old school, they have a functioning hierarchy, which you do on paper... Have fun on the enforcer role

I do not understand what you are posting.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

You got job to do!

originally posted by: Hyperia
You got job to do!

Which is?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Making the world into a "fantastic" place of ideals and ideology for the human as a whole, where ideas and dreams come true.. i cant believe i just wrote all this....

originally posted by: Hyperia
Making the world into a "fantastic" place of ideals and ideology for the human as a whole, where ideas and dreams come true..

Not my job description and not sure why you think it is.

a reply to: DannyTorrance
The origins of the double headed eagle go back farther than just European monarchs.

The other orders and bodies of Freemasonry are not really about interaction with "elite power structures."

a reply to: DannyTorrance
You missed a few groups like Red Cross of Constantine, the chair degrees of the 3-York Rite bodies, Royal Order of Scotland. There is also the Societas Rosicruciana in Civitatibus Foederatis, but it is not affiliated with either Scottish Rite or York Rite.

The York Rite Sovereign College of North America

This was the first group I was invited into and serve as Primate (corresponds with Chaplain of the Lodge).

The Order of Knight Masons of the U.S.A.

I currently serve as Steward (more in common with the JD in Lodge).

Knights of the York Cross of Honour (KYCH)

This was one of the highest honors I've ever received and I'm currently Herald of my Priory.

The Commemorative Order of St. Thomas of Acon

This group keeps me busy as I'm Secretary of a Chapel that is 8.5 hours away from where I live and I'm also the Founding Secretary for a Chapel in Idaho.

The Allied Masonic Degrees (AMD)

I'm Jr. Deacon of my Council, but we meet only once a year.

The Order of Holy Royal Arch Knight Templar Priest (HRAKTP)

One group I'm not a member of. LOL

a reply to: KSigMason

The point is, that particular rendering of the double eagle is a symbol of Imperial monarchy. It's an anomaly since it doesn't appear to have anything in common with the degrees of the Scottish Rite.

a reply to: DannyTorrance
It's very relevant to the degrees of Scottish Rite. It's a symbol of duality; a common theme in Freemasonry and particularly the Scottish Rite.

Are Masons left in the dark???, at this point i would say no, i do think this group called the Illuminati might be real, however it's not what people think, from my research i studied all angles of this group and came up with some surprising dead ends per say, for instance Fritz Springmeier who i respect greatly only got half of the story right.

What i mean by that is that Mr Springeier in his own studies came across a facade, when he was talking to Cisco Wheeler she gave him some info that was not what it seemed, a lot of what she was talking about was nothing more then the imagination of a kid who was seven or eight, i feel she was indeed attacked but by a black magician not this so called group, and in her hardship she misunderstood somethings.

If one were to track this group from a conspiracy perspective i would say listen to Myron Fagan and his lecture on this group, this took place in the 1960's, and while he states that this group did indeed infiltrate the Freemasons, i feel if this is true it has changed, let me explain, in the 1960's the Freemasons had a lot of people in power positions so this would have intrigued this group called the Illuminati, it would have allowed them to get access to these people of power they would of needed.

But that was the 1960's and a lot has changed since then, first off there is not nearly as many Freemasons in power positions as there were in the 60's and not nearly enough to interest this group, i feel they would have moved on, also they are not into symbolism all they really are is a bunch of rich bankers who want control of the worlds monetary gains and even so at this point i feel there has been so much turn around...at this point who even knows the bankers still a part of this group, as i feel if they were real some if not most of the original bankers involved may have left and we are dealing with a whole new incarnation of them.

My four cents...

a reply to: King Seesar

I would not say infiltrated I would say swallow them whole and spit them out the other side, and they smiled unknowingly. See it like this super geeks used sports jocks for a purpose, and they don't have the intelligence to figure it out.

Good Freemasons!!

a reply to: Hyperia
Uh huh...why is it, some feel that we Freemasons are brainless morons who know nothing about our own group, but somehow, you do?

a reply to: KSigMason

I didn't say brainless, most of you guys are very smart and productive, however your ideals and wishful thinking is a cloud. It's a cult, you call it fraternity, you incorporate the same pattern, Scientology, Jehovah's, you give a greater purpose, you feel transcended. I give you a story about, Cardinal virtues, but leave out some of the rituals, I tell stories about Templars, but leave out the ancestry of the grandmasters. You see, you've always been around, you aren't just what you think you are. And you can't since you are part of the bubble, or you are the ones holding the bubble.

a reply to: Hyperia
My bad, you said we "don't have the intelligence to figure it out."

Freemasonry isn't a cult: www.abovetopsecret.com...

LOL You assume a great deal and know very little about Freemasonry.

originally posted by: Hyperia
a reply to: King Seesar

I would not say infiltrated I would say swallow them whole and spit them out the other side, and they smiled unknowingly. See it like this super geeks used sports jocks for a purpose, and they don't have the intelligence to figure it out.

Good Freemasons!!

I agree that they were used if what i said was true with this group, however where i disagree with you is that they are not a cult, they have structures in place to prevent this, there is no main person that is a head of Freemasonry, much like there is with cult groups like Scientology and the Church of Satan...

The funny thing with Scientology and the Church of Satan is that when L Ron Hubbard and Anton Levey wrote both Dianetics and the Satanic Bible respectfully they were just both books on alternative psychology, both both men decided to make cults out of there work, sigh...the folly of men, i am sure Albert Pike might of thought the same thing, but because of the structure of Masonry, he could not do such a thing.

a reply to: KSigMason

Before masonry showed up, there was another group, do you recall how/what a righteous persona is if you just look at scientific factoid, DNA is a wonderful thing. You cant just use stories about being one anymore. How come the group before you get persecuted? If we use factoids,they were and still are called blackheads? How did one become a blackhead? Yes, factoid, you were born one. Most of the western world are based on the blackheads, knowledge, ideals and laws. The factoids are aristocratic trademarks and hearsay, but its really not. Before your time, stories wasnt enough. How many of your grand masons are righteous? Give me one and ill follow him, if not, its based on a lie.
You see, im not questioning your motives, you are good men. But you are just a tool for a greater cause, and you already failed three times.

Its no more fun and games, you took an oath, its time you maybe fulfill that oath, cause old school is just waiting outside the door. And i can promise you, no one in this world wants that, freewill is a transcendent state. Not for a primate.

originally posted by: Hyperia
a reply to: KSigMason

Before masonry showed up, there was another group, do you recall how/what a righteous persona is if you just look at scientific factoid, DNA is a wonderful thing. You cant just use stories about being one anymore. How come the group before you get persecuted? If we use factoids,they were and still are called blackheads? How did one become a blackhead? Yes, factoid, you were born one. Most of the western world are based on the blackheads, knowledge, ideals and laws. The factoids are aristocratic trademarks and hearsay, but its really not. Before your time, stories wasnt enough. How many of your grand masons are righteous? Give me one and ill follow him, if not, its based on a lie.
You see, im not questioning your motives, you are good men. But you are just a tool for a greater cause, and you already failed three times.

Its no more fun and games, you took an oath, its time you maybe fulfill that oath, cause old school is just waiting outside the door. And i can promise you, no one in this world wants that, freewill is a transcendent state. Not for a primate.

You have no idea what masonry is or what it's about. Please, find some way to communicate that isn't condescending and off putting. If you want to understand what we do, quit telling us and start asking us. Most of us would be happy to answer questions, but there is no need to argue with someone who thinks they know it all already.

a reply to: network dude

Bubble bubble bubble its all in that little bubble, its a cult.

OP thread: Many Masons are quite simply in the dark.

Im saying, you can never adopt a gipsy lifestyle when you are born in society. Doesnt matter how much you wish you can, you are the context of a persona, made within the year span of 5-12, thats psychology for ya.
Whatever you learn afterwards its cause you start doubting the structures of how things are made, why did the old school get wiped out? You are doing the opposite. Think grasshoppa! Or you gonna go, well no this it the second 30 year war, read George Friedman, he speaks about battleships on the Moon.

you know, i kinda know to much, im just laying out the hypocrisy

originally posted by: Hyperia


you know, i kinda know to much, im just laying out the hypocrisy

If that make you happy to think that, then great. You may even fool a few tiny minded followers. But those who were strong enough to ask the question and then intelligent enough to understand the answer know the truth.

Good luck with all your "knowledge".

originally posted by: Hyperia
Im saying, you can never adopt a gipsy lifestyle when you are born in society. Doesnt matter how much you wish you can, you are the context of a persona, made within the year span of 5-12, thats psychology for ya.
Whatever you learn afterwards its cause you start doubting the structures of how things are made, why did the old school get wiped out? You are doing the opposite. Think grasshoppa! Or you gonna go, well no this it the second 30 year war, read George Friedman, he speaks about battleships on the Moon.

you know, i kinda know to much, im just laying out the hypocrisy

I have no idea what this means. Can you reformulate?