What is this contagious Illness?

We had a run of something at work. I got some kind of flu thing, i don't know if it's what is being talked about. But I hit the vitamin C super hard, taking around 7,000+ % RDA. The feeling bad part was over in around 2 days, and the worse part eased up in around a day. I'll mention the brand, because it seems to be helpful with the normal congestion that has plagued me for so long: It's called "Emergen-C." Vitamin World sells it for a good price, Wal-Mart also carries it. Vitamin World seems to be cheaper.

Remember, if you have to go to the doctor, and end up with Antibiotics, be sure to eat yogurt daily (with active cultures, Acidophilus) while you are taking antibiotics. Or take Acidophilus. Antibiotics can be indiscriminate and kill off good bacteria. I'm not completely sure of the amounts of yogurt or Acidophilus that need to be taken, but my guess is you don't want to eat the yogurt or Acidophilus at the same time you take the antibiotics. Just a tip.

Please use your good judgement when dealing with an illness. If a doctor is needed, then go to the doctor.

Troy

Crazy this sounds like the same thing going around here in N.C. too. The office I work in was devestated for like two months and nobody could figure out what it was. Flue like symptoms followed by high fever, delerium almost. And the NASTIEST cough and mucous coming up that I have ever had. We had one person come in with it right after Christmas and everyone complained, but the lady wouldn't leave work because she needed to be there. Since she was a manager wasn't much anyone else could do. She came in sick and no less than three or four days after I started feeling like death. I was sick as a dog and missed work for a week and a half before I was able to feel any better at all. I came back to work and felt ok, then withing two days it came back twice as strong as before and was bed ridden for another two weeks before it finally broke. My sister lives in a different part of the state and she and her husband and two kids were all infected as well. My brother, who lis a student and lives in the house with me, never even got a cough. Weird, all I know is I have never been that sick before and I hope I never get it again.

Originally posted by bsl4doc

Sorry, you're wrong. Ozone is highly toxic.
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Yes? by the same token, do you happen to have a problem with using flourine for its alledged benefits, for the same reason - that it's actually highly toxic? just curious...

O3 in high concentrations is harmful, no doubt about that, when using ~3% or less, the problems are miniscule especially when comparing it with the ailment you're trying to get rid of. Comparing this with statistics on air pollution is dubious at best, since there is no clear distinction between effects due to O3 and, say, NOx, is there? O3 is just a more active form of oxygen, i can see how using corona generators may introduce detrimental nitric oxide, but adding lmited qantities of pure O3 does not present a problem. I know i won't convince anybody who thinks it's toxic, that's why i told them to stay away.

On a side note: antibiotcs are toxic, chemotherapy is even more toxic (but routinely used), heck, even retinol is toxic if overdosed, it's no reason not to use it.

www.geocities.com...

just one parapraph
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The Use of Ozone in Medicine," recently reprinted, gives many recommendations on dosage and concentration. There is no evidence that long term treatment on a daily basis has any detrimental effect. Doctors who have used it for decades have only positive results to report. Ozone is blatantly non-toxic. There is no evidence of free radical damage; in fact, ozone is the best free radical scavenger there is. Ozone also stimulates production of superoxide dismutase, catalase, and glutathione peroxidase, which are the enzymes in the cell wall which protect the cell from free radical damage, so ozone actually helps prevent free radical damage.
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Oxygen, need i say more?

more links

www.ozonestimulation.com...

www.appliedozone.com...


more to the point wrt this thread: Anti-viral properties, example HCV (pdf)

p4, paragraph#1
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Ozone: Antiviral properties. Recently, there has surged renewed interest in the potential of ozone for viral inactivation.
It has long been established that ozone neutralizes bacteria, viruses, and fungi in aqueous media. This has
prompted the creation of water purification processing plants in many major municipalities worldwide.
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Q: If you had the choice between O3 and chlorine, which would you use?

I've given you a only a faint glimpse, because it took me days to even find out about this stuff (and i try to keep it short) if you're willing to investigate this alternative treatment, which, btw has been around for ages, you will be able to make an at least semi-informed decision.

I added my comment for everyone to see, if you want to discard it, fine with me. Certain thing is that today, people are quick to put formaldehyde, aluminium and thiomersal into medication, while considering the potential benefits of a form of oxygen is apparently too much to ask for. Strange world indeed.

[edit on 4-3-2006 by Long Lance]

Originally posted by notbuynit
I saw something on the news yesterday affecting people down in Louisiana they were calling "Katrina cough". People being sick for months and always having a cough. Said docs aren't sure what's causing it.

Someone at work mentioned this yesterday, I hope to find more information about it. It would make sense that Florida would be hit with this, but is it contagious? What we have at work seems contagious.

I hope to find more about this today.

Edit: Nope, so far I am finding nothing to indicate it has gone airborne beyond the directly affected/flooded areas of the gulf coast. This doesn't seem to be the culprit of what we are talking about. (It also doesn't seem to quite fit with the symptoms some of us are seeing).

[edit on 3/4/2006 by Relentless]

[edit on 3/4/2006 by Relentless]

Originally posted by bsl4doc

Originally posted by justyc

Originally posted by Senor_Vicente

Originally posted by Long Lance
Use a Quartz (this is important, since the electrical discharge stuff creates NOx molecules!) ozone generator, fill a cool mist vaporizer with vinegar in your room, and make sure O3 levels don't get too high, this combination should be much more effective than either ingredient alone.

Actually it's Orgone, search ebay for it. My dad has had a wierd flu type bug and he just hacks and hacks up nasty phlemy stuff, we live in Central Texas, I thought O3 was ah poisonous.

no, i'm afraid its you who should search google. look up ozone generator.

orgone was what wilhelm reich researched and died for

Sorry, you're wrong. Ozone is highly toxic.

www.ozonelayer.noaa.gov...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

i can see you didnt use google to check on what an 'ozone generator' is.

here, let me provide 3 links also so that you will then understand what the difference between 'orgone' and 'ozone' is...

www.epa.gov...
www.ozmotics.com...
www.raytechstore.com...

now let me provide 3 links on orgone generators...

educate-yourself.org...
www.orgone.net...
www.metatech.org...&_orgone_generator.html

besides, i personally think neither of the above would be useful. its sounds to me like some mutant form of meningitis and a highly contagious one at that.

i still think the best bet is to get it into the public ears for media attention. anybody thought of approaching alex jones about it?

I just went through those "Orgone" links, thanks, I needed a good laugh. When one website actively talks about "improving" the weather by busting up clounds, and the occasional "chem" trail, and another talking about them damned Draconians giving up on those incompetitent Human NWO types, I tuned out after that.

With that said, let's try to keep on topic please. I'm really interested in this thread and would like to see this thing pinned down as something, rather then just descriptions of symptoms. Let's keep speculation on possible cures to a minimum because we really don't know what is causing this illness and you guys don't wan't to be opening yourself up to liability by advising something which could infact make matters worse for all you know.

bsl4doc, since you have some med school under your belt, why don't you venture a guess as to what you think is going on.

Originally posted by sardion2000
With that said, let's try to keep on topic please. I'm really interested in this thread and would like to see this thing pinned down as something, rather then just descriptions of symptoms.

Thank you Sardion! I feel the same way.

My concern is that what I am seeing is a newly emerging disease that has yet to be acknowledged or recognized and from what I can see of the people who got it so far, it's too serious to ignore, in both how contagious it is and the effects of it.

I would like to note that what appears to be the first person to develop this in my circle, got it in August or September and STILL has it. However, although he has not progressed past obvious congestion and still varies in the degree of the symptoms, he has not stayed home and recovered at any point. He just continues to cough all over the place and others keep getting it. He doesn't seem to have any recognition of the fact that he is still causing it's spread that has now landed two people in the hospital since then.

So far it doesn't seem like the two people who landed in the hospital will ever be the same due to the complications that occurred. I hope I am wrong - about all of this.

have been reading this thread with interest, and even though all of you are from USA, i thought i would post with some news from the UK.
Somethings going around here too. My whole family had it, and me, who usually doesnt get sick, got it, then thought i was better, then got knocked out by it again.
Temperature and cough is the worst symptons, but it lingers like anything.The doctor said it was "a new virus going around".
Everyone i speak to knows someone who has had it....and someone on here wrote about "dark circles around the eyes", which is weird, cos the other day when i went to the pharmacy, the lady there was telling me about HER grandkid who had that, and looked and felt awful.

Its weird reading all these stories. I mean, people here have been saying...soemthings going around....but to hear it going on over there too....very strange.

Originally posted by sardion2000
I just went through those "Orgone" links, thanks..

O M G, who managed to bring this hideous orgone stuff into this?!?!??! Please, for the record, I never mentioned it, and i don't understand how one can confuse the two.

Originally posted by justyc
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besides, i personally think neither of the above would be useful. its sounds to me like some mutant form of meningitis and a highly contagious one at that.
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If it's transmitted by aerosol and its primary path of entry is through the respiratory tract, then something affecting the air you breathe might just be useful, besides i proposed using it in conjunction with a weak acid... but nvm, if this sounds to surreal to you, so be it, i'm not a used car salesman anyway.

Ok I was the one originally to brooch the idea of chemtrails in an earlier post. Orgone generators is what you are looking for and they purportedly negate the effects of chemtrails. But anyway, not my reason for posting.

I have been following this thread closely and it's like something on the tip of my tongue that I just can't quite remember but this seems familiar to me.
I think instead of everyone posting about common cold and flu symptoms we need to narrow down specific symptoms and commonalities.
It's flu season so everyone is going to have a story but with what Relentless is stating appears to be something different.
When the doctors can only say viral but cannot pinpoint what virus we potential have something new on our hands.

Which in my opinion means that something unusual has been introduced here. Some new type of contagion. So where does a new unidentified contagion come from?

Perhaps we need to look at some less pleasent and uncommon outside sources. I had mentioned Chemtrails because these are chemicals that are sprayed into our atmosphere and have been known to cause ahsmatic (sp) symptoms unmongst other things.
But that's not where I want to go with this. Most of you who are reporting the same conditions seem to be located in the south/south eastern part of the US.
During this time there have been numerous reports of fish, whales, dolphins and other sea life that are beaching themselves which although normal in some cases the amounts that are shoring themselves seem to be out of the ordinary. This could be contributed to a number of things. Red Tide, gravitational disorientation, ocean water warming etc... BUT... what if there is some type or organism that is causing the condition?

Relentless reported people starting with this in August (hot weather and beach time) FLU doesn't begin until Oct so what if an new organism was picked up during the summer months and incubated for a time in the person's lungs and thus spread to other people?

Here is another idea and and idea some of you may not want to take into consideration but believe it has been done plenty of times in the past and will happen again in the future if not already.
A deliberate spraying of a biological agent in certain areas of the population. By spraying any amount on a selected group the gov would be better able to ascertain the effects without causing alot of panic because the infection or illness would seem isolated and would not overwhelm the hospitals which would raise questions.
Now I am not trying to go conspiracy on anyone here but it's worth a look.

For interesting reading see here:
www.apfn.org...

1950 In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Franciso. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.

1951 Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.

AND more recently and more widely known

1995 Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections.

Hope you all that are suffering find some relief soon..

by the way im in new jersey, and as of what i heard it seemed like some sort of stomach virus for that school that closed down. some bug that was giving people stomach problems, tryin to find out the effects of the bug they had.

Lordy,
I am from Northern Ireland and my area is experiencing the same thing.
My childrens school has been operating on 3/4 capacity since November.
The symptoms are the same as described here. Every week one of my children has been off school.
The doctors are treating each 'illness' seperately. They have Hand, foot and mouth--which causes the blistering in and around the mouth.
They have had Croup. They have had vomitting and they have spells of unspecified illness..EG..Lethargy with temps but nothing else apparent.
Businesses have been affected by the same thing..My dad has been ill this winter on 3 occassions..Similar symptoms to the children..
Neighbours, family etc. have all been ill and it is recurrent..Jumping from one illness/set of symptoms to the other and then back again..

Originally posted by Relentless

Originally posted by sardion2000
I'm really interested in this thread and would like to see this thing pinned down as something, rather then just descriptions of symptoms.

Thank you Sardion! I feel the same way.

All of the symptoms described are consistent with known H5N1 bird flu symptoms - references in my post above.

FYI - My first awareness of this "flu that doesn't go away and jumps around the body and keeps recurring" was about 15 years ago in British Columbia, Canada; then in Ontario, Canada; then 10 years ago in New Mexico, USA.


Whatever it is, it's been around for a long time - and seems to be mutating more quickly now.


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Originally posted by soficrow
All of the symptoms described are consistent with known H5N1 bird flu symptoms - references in my post above.

Whatever it is, it's been around for a long time - and seems to be mutating more quickly now.

Okay, so say it is a variant of the avian flu (granted not the lethal one currently spreading across the globe) - or not - what test can be performed to identify it? Can a Dr. order a test to identify the strain of whatever it is? Or does the permission to even test for what strain it is have to come from somewhere to authorize nailing it down?

I just don't undrstand why none of the Drs. can nail this down.

Originally posted by Relentless

Originally posted by soficrow
All of the symptoms described are consistent with known H5N1 bird flu symptoms - references in my post above.

Whatever it is, it's been around for a long time - and seems to be mutating more quickly now.

Okay, so say it is a variant of the avian flu (granted not the lethal one currently spreading across the globe) - or not - what test can be performed to identify it? Can a Dr. order a test to identify the strain of whatever it is? Or does the permission to even test for what strain it is have to come from somewhere to authorize nailing it down?

I just don't undrstand why none of the Drs. can nail this down.

Diagnosing H5N1 bird flu takes a molecular diagnostic test - and NOBODY does molecular diagnostics. Even though scientists have been screaming that it's necessary for years... Not that the tests aren't available - they are. It's just that they are not used routinely.

Here is the latest in a long line of scientists' pleas:

Network sought to detect bird flu

London: A global network of laboratories is urgently needed to detect outbreaks of bird flu, scientists warned on Thursday.

Researchers have asked the World Health Organization to investigate the possibility of building the labs to avert a pandemic with $1.9 billion funding from developed countries, where surveillance is already in place. ...The proposed network of labs would play a key role in preventing the emergence of a strain of avian flu that is easily transmissible between humans.

Jean-Paul Chretien at the U.S. Department of Defence global emerging infections surveillance and response system in Maryland and David Blazes of the U.S. naval medical research centre detachment in Peru, called on the international community to use a disease monitoring network set up by the U.S. military as a model for the global network.

- Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006

IMO - non-testing is policy... How else can you explain why it's not routine? Besides cost...



Why make it policy NOT to test for bird flu? Hmmm. A few hints. Bird Flu Biz:

Mela attempts to diffuse bird flu scare

March 06, 2006 - While officials and elected representatives savoured chicken and eggs on the dais, people queued up to enjoy a free lunch at the ‘Chicken and Egg Mela’ held at the Town Hall on Friday.

The ‘mela’ was organised jointly by the National Egg Coordination Committee (NECC), Mysore zone and the Department of Animal Husbandry, Government of Karnataka.

Dismissing the fears of ‘bird flu’ as mere rumour, the speakers had earlier blamed the global firms for spreading the rumour to market their vaccines.

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Tourism chiefs to discuss bird flu

World tourism chiefs are to hold the first in a series of briefings about the impact of bird flu on travel.

The tourism bosses - members of United Nations agency the World Tourism Organisation (UNWTO) - will discuss avian flu during the world's largest travel fair, ITB Berlin, on Friday, March 10.

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Very interesting: Conflicting signals on bird flu

[edit on 5-3-2006 by soficrow]

I wondered why posts on this Thread stopped all of a sudden. There seems to be a significant contagious illness spreading widely most likely caused by some new virus. -(?)

Maybe because most that were feeling ill the past few weeks now feel better. I do.

Originally posted by michaelanteski
I wondered why posts on this Thread stopped all of a sudden. There seems to be a significant contagious illness spreading widely most likely caused by some new virus. -(?)

I wish that were true....

Not in my case....

This scientist says we already may have been living with H5N1 bird flu for years and just didn't know it - because we were not testing for it.

A German scientist said Tuesday the entry of faeces from infected poultry into the food chain via fish was a likely cause of the global spread of bird flu - and not migrating wild birds.

'We are moving away from the assumption that migrating birds are the cause,' said Josef H. Reichholf, a zoology professor at Munich's Technical University, in a comment published by the newspaper Die Welt.

Reichholf noted that civet cats in Vietnam which were infected with the disease had been fed fish. ...He said bird flu developments in East Asia indicated that wild birds were being infected by poultry and their faeces - not the other way around.

'We will have to live with bird flu in the future,' said Reichholf, adding: 'Perhaps we already have been for years and just didn't know it because the large numbers of dead birds which turn up during every hard winter were not tested.'

Reichholf

A 22 year old died in my area today from the flu and infection, though the doctor in the interview said the flu is not widespread in our county. I just have trouble believing what a doctors says anymore.

www.flatoday.com.../20060307/NEW S01/603070329/1006