What is this contagious Illness?

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
It is Florida loam, have you taken that into account?

Too funny!

So true. :shk:

You know Loam, I looked up that map earlier and it does show Florida being hit hard with the flu, yet this illness I'm talking about, all the Drs. are telling people it's not the flu.

So what is this other thing? Problem being, now with "the Flu" being so rampant in this state, how many people are going to run around with this other thing thinking it's just the flu and spreading it further?

The last person in my office who contracted it (who just got out of the hospital yesterday, but we won't see her for days still) was ony exposed for about two hours to someone in another building coughing. It's definately being spread airborne. Two days later she went down. A day later her commuting partner got it but was only out a day. She still is sufferring the aftermath though, and we all know she can relapse at any time, just from watching this since September.

I hear you.

Like I said, I have never experienced anything like that first "flu"...if it even was the flu. It was very strange and frightening.

EDIT:

And for what it's worth, there is this story...

N.J. Officer Back From Iraq Found Dead

Jersey City police on Tuesday night were investigating the death of one of their own, a 42-year-old Iraq War veteran whose body was found inside his Glenwood Avenue apartment.

The officer, whose name was not disclosed pending family notification, had been complaining for at least five days of not feeling well, according to police Sgt. Edgar Martinez.

The officer's girlfriend was worried about his well-being and called police to check up on him, Martinez said. Officers found the body of their colleague, a five-year veteran of the department, at about 7:30 p.m.

Because he had only returned from Iraq in November and his illness appeared to be a viral infection, a hazardous materials unit was sent in for further investigation and the officers who found the body were put through a decontamination process, Martinez said.

But Martinez said there was no danger to public health.

Sorry for the large quote, but small stories like this one tend to disappear...

Anyway, I think its disturbing when they acknowledge a viral cause, send a hazmat team, and then say there is no cause for concern...


[edit on 2-3-2006 by loam]

Oh good god, someone needs to nail this down, find a way to recognize it and see how much of what is going on is this seriously contagious thing.

What are they waiting for?

Edit: By the way, the two people I know that were hospitalized from this may not have survived it if they didn't have the good sense to go to the emergency room.

The one thing they had in common was a history of severe asthma. So whatever it is, if you catch it and start having asthma attacks worse than you ever experienced I highly suggest you not wait it out.

[edit on 3/2/2006 by Relentless]

So whatever it is, if you catch it and start having asthma attacks worse than you ever experienced I highly suggest you not wait it out.

Well, most severe asthmatics will go straight to the hospitol if our meds stop working during an attack(or we lost them, ran out, etc.)

Usually when it comes to things like this, you don't have to tell us twice, or even once. It's automatic, however if people with latent asthma which never surfaced before, and is triggered by something like this, they should follow your advice.

I still think this bugger is parasitical in nature, due to the eating habits you mentioned. I had a really nasty flu a few months back, it was a nasty one but not that serious, it was nothing like what you people are describing. Perhaps you should start calling some local news reporters to see if they have heard similiar reports. A call to the CDC might well be in order as well, because I see a pattern developing, and that is worrying.

Maybe it's some tropical virii that has just marched it's way north. :shrug:

Originally posted by sardion2000

I still think this bugger is parasitical in nature, due to the eating habits you mentioned.

I have reports outlining H5N1 gastro effects - they are different and unusual for flu. Will see if I can find the files and links.

My take: any disease that creates lesions in digestive tract smooth muscle will cause "hunger" because anything in the sytem soaks up the acids and gives relief.


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That's pretty scary Loam, especially since I am a frequent visitor to Bayonne (just a stone throw away) and years back actually lived on Glenwood Ave near where the officer was found.
I am also suffering the symptoms as I type.
If it's something communicable it will spread fast as St. Peter's College is also part of Glenwood Avenue with many, many students.

Originally posted by loam
I hear you.

Like I said, I have never experienced anything like that first "flu"...if it even was the flu. It was very strange and frightening.

EDIT:

An for what it's worth, there is this story...

N.J. Officer Back From Iraq Found Dead

Jersey City police on Tuesday night were investigating the death of one of their own, a 42-year-old Iraq War veteran whose body was found inside his Glenwood Avenue apartment.

The officer, whose name was not disclosed pending family notification, had been complaining for at least five days of not feeling well, according to police Sgt. Edgar Martinez.

The officer's girlfriend was worried about his well-being and called police to check up on him, Martinez said. Officers found the body of their colleague, a five-year veteran of the department, at about 7:30 p.m.

Because he had only returned from Iraq in November and his illness appeared to be a viral infection, a hazardous materials unit was sent in for further investigation and the officers who found the body were put through a decontamination process, Martinez said.

But Martinez said there was no danger to public health.

Sorry for the large quote, but small stories like this one tend to disappear...

Anyway, I think its disturbing when they acknowledge a viral cause, send a hazmat team, and then say there is no cause for concern...

[edit on 2-3-2006 by loam]

A lady at my work died in her sleep after she left the ER, she was only about 45ish in age and relatively healthy prior to becoming ill with this "bug."

Someone had asked about chemtrails earlier in this post and me, not knowing what chemtrails are, researched online and found that yes I have often seen what is to be described as chemtrails in my area, course I live between two major military bases as well.

One thing I've noticed in the people here who get this "bug" is that the glands in the throat swell hugely and the tonsils get all nasty and inflamed and a feeling of just being run down and exhausted. Also I've seen a few people with blisters on their face?? I just don't know, but those visual signs seem to coincide with some kind of chemical contact.

Also..my pharmacist told me that she's been ill for over a month and has spent several hundred dollars on antibiotics only to find from a different doctor that what she has is viral(she also had blisters on her face near her mouth and nose)..so again the medical field is no more closer to knowing what this bug is than we are....

Originally posted by magestica
A lady at my work died in her sleep after she left the ER, she was only about 45ish in age and relatively healthy prior to becoming ill with this "bug."

...Also I've seen a few people with blisters on their face?? I just don't know, but those visual signs seem to coincide with some kind of chemical contact.

Also..my pharmacist told me that she's been ill for over a month and has spent several hundred dollars on antibiotics only to find from a different doctor that what she has is viral(she also had blisters on her face near her mouth and nose)..so again the medical field is no more closer to knowing what this bug is than we are....

"Blisters" are common internally and externally when disease infects "fibroblasts" and turns them into "myofibroblasts."

...Is not necessarily triggerd by chemical contact, although you are right - it is like contact dermatitis, an allergic response.

...That is exactly what bird flu does to fibroblasts in the lungs - and chemicals like penicillin cause that kind of allergic response inside blood vessels walls, which later can spread to other connective tissue and smooth muscle in the body, ie., fibroblasts in other locations and tissues.


The key cell is the fibroblast - it is the common element in all the different symptoms and locations where this illness "pops up." And it is the common element linking all modern chronic disease.


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Originally posted by Long Lance
Use a Quartz (this is important, since the electrical discharge stuff creates NOx molecules!) ozone generator, fill a cool mist vaporizer with vinegar in your room, and make sure O3 levels don't get too high, this combination should be much more effective than either ingredient alone.

DIsclaimer: i haven't tried it, tbh, but it's been a long while since i've been sick, let alone seriously sick *knocks on wood*. if you feel uncomfortable around O3, don't use it.

Actually it's Orgone, search ebay for it. My dad has had a wierd flu type bug and he just hacks and hacks up nasty phlemy stuff, we live in Central Texas, I thought O3 was ah poisonous.

Hi EB
New England here, My mom 82 last month was in Hospital, Her Oxygen Level down in the 60's - normal around 95-100
Ok everyone would say that is to be expected from someone her age - who has congestive heart failure - she is a fighter so don't worry she is now home and doing well thank you!

The funny thing same week, my 3 year old Great Neice was in the Hospital also, same thing Oxygen Level down in the 60's - Severe Respitory Cold-flu
She was in over a week 1/2. She gave us quite a scare when she first went in.

I had cold but after 3 weeks it did start to diminish - it is now gone. Thankfully! Nothing compared to what you guys are saying!

I started to wonder if all the people being sick now and staying sick - do you all have something in common, like did you get the flu shot?
My Mom didn't nor I, that much I know, I forgot to ask my Neice if her daughter got one, next time I speak with her I'm going to ask that!

All I know many years ago, I got a flu shot, and was sick all year! Tried it one more year, and the same thing happened! And I mean sick as a dog! Haven't gotten it in years, since I don't trust our loving goverment as far as I can spit lol!
So since then If I do get sick its like it was before I would get the flu shot, which is only for short periods! I like to take care of myself, I can't seem to trust them after all I know now! But thats me! And I'm playing it safe!
I hope everyone is doing better now! Now I hear more people are being affected, Young & Old with their Oxygen levels and they are healthy young individuals too! Strange huh!
Angel

Originally posted by Senor_Vicente

Originally posted by Long Lance
Use a Quartz (this is important, since the electrical discharge stuff creates NOx molecules!) ozone generator, fill a cool mist vaporizer with vinegar in your room, and make sure O3 levels don't get too high, this combination should be much more effective than either ingredient alone.

Actually it's Orgone, search ebay for it. My dad has had a wierd flu type bug and he just hacks and hacks up nasty phlemy stuff, we live in Central Texas, I thought O3 was ah poisonous.

no, i'm afraid its you who should search google. look up ozone generator.

orgone was what wilhelm reich researched and died for

For the record, now that I have seen others responses, here is my concern.

Whatever this is going around is not being identified. It is however appearring to be more contagious and more severe as well as lasting longer and causing more complications than the flu that the medical profession was looking for this year. As long as it remains unidentified by the medical profession there is no way to tell how widespread it is, what is the incubation period or how to deal with it.

All we can do is report our suspicions of it being in our area.

Please to everyone who thinks they are witnessing this, make sure to identify where in the country you are.

Thanks.

Edit: I just also want to mention that a bunch of people at work did have what appearred to be cold sores a few weeks back, but they weren't usual (not on the mouth but around it). Interestingly enough none of these people came down with the bug like the others.

Also Sofi - I do hope you find this hunger info you mentioned, though I still don't personally think this has anything to do with avian flu, I think it's possible that we are missing something significant going around because the focus is the expected flu for this year and the avian flu.



[edit on 3/3/2006 by Relentless]

As i memtioned earlier my son has this and the doc's say's he has MONO (bull s t) ,the strange thing is he also has blisters in his mouth one on his face and one on the ball of his foot (on the side ).The one on his face is gone now but the others in his mouth seem to go away and then return in a couple of weeks.


My wife is complaining of neck pain around the area of the lymph nodes, she cry's often because of the pain .This is probably a different illness since she has no other symtoms,but 2 month's ago she also had blisters on the inside of her cheek.

I'm ready to contact the CDC if my son is not better by the weekend.

Originally posted by justyc

Originally posted by Senor_Vicente

Originally posted by Long Lance
Use a Quartz (this is important, since the electrical discharge stuff creates NOx molecules!) ozone generator, fill a cool mist vaporizer with vinegar in your room, and make sure O3 levels don't get too high, this combination should be much more effective than either ingredient alone.

Actually it's Orgone, search ebay for it. My dad has had a wierd flu type bug and he just hacks and hacks up nasty phlemy stuff, we live in Central Texas, I thought O3 was ah poisonous.

no, i'm afraid its you who should search google. look up ozone generator.

orgone was what wilhelm reich researched and died for

Sorry, you're wrong. Ozone is highly toxic.

www.ozonelayer.noaa.gov...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

I think its just a regular series of sicknesses that are spreading. Everyone in my area has gotten it, I got pretty sick for a while too. Sore throat, phlegm, cough, etc etc. Could be strep, pneumonia, bronchitis. I couldn't get an appt with my doctor on short notice, but they just called in a presciption for z-pack antibiotics, that seemed to have worked (so its not viral).

Originally posted by Relentless

Also Sofi - I do hope you find this hunger info you mentioned, though I still don't personally think this has anything to do with avian flu, I think it's possible that we are missing something significant going around because the focus is the expected flu for this year and the avian flu.

H5N1 bird flu can infect multiple systemic organs, including the brain, central nervous system and gastrointestinal system.

This flu can affect the gastrointestinal system in a variety of ways that can make victims feel hungry: by infecting the stomache or intestines directly; via neuro- pathways (through the nervous systems and brain); infecting the liver and interfering with liver function; and through adipotropic effects (after infecting fat cells).

Here are a few references that show H5N1 bird flu can infect the stomache, intestines and liver:

Gastrointestinal manifestations, raised liver enzymes, renal failure unrelated to rhabdomyolysis, and pancytopenia were unusually prominent.

Clinical features and rapid viral diagnosis of human disease associated with avian influenza A H5N1 virus. Lancet. 1998 Feb 14;351(9101):467-71. PMID: 9482437

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A/Hong Kong/483/97 virus was isolated from a fatal case and was highly pathogenic in the BALB/c mouse model, whereas A/Hong Kong/486/97 virus was isolated from a case with mild illness and exhibited a low-pathogenicity phenotype in mice. Ferrets infected intranasally with 10(7) 50% egg infectious doses (EID(50)) of either H5N1 virus exhibited severe lethargy, fever, weight loss, transient lymphopenia, and replication in the upper and lower respiratory tract, as well as multiple systemic organs, including the brain. Gastrointestinal symptoms were seen in some animals.

Pathogenesis of avian influenza A (H5N1) viruses in ferrets. J Virol. 2002 May;76(9):4420-9. PMID: 11932409

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We report the first case of avian influenza in a patient with fever and diarrhea but no respiratory symptoms. Avian influenza should be included in the differential diagnosis for patients with predominantly gastrointestinal symptoms, particularly if they have a history of exposure to poultry.

Atypical avian influenza (H5N1). Emerg Infect Dis. 2004 Jul;10(7):1321-4. PMID: 15324560

Signals from the liver and central nervous system make people feel full - and interruptions to these signals can make them feel hungry. Ie.:

Preabsorptive satiety may consist of multiple factors which probably include signals from osmoreceptors and possibly other chemoreceptors in the upper small intestine. The signals from these receptors are neural while other products of digestion stimulate the release of humoral agents, such as cholecystokinin, which may act locally, in the liver, or on the central nervous system.

Gastrointesti nal factors in hunger and satiety. Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 1982 Summer;6(2):145-64. PMID: 6285233

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The hunger-satiety cycle involves preabsorptive and postabsorptive humoral and neuronal mechanisms. ...environmental factors, nutrients and metabolical processes and gastric contractions originate hunger signals. ...long-term satiety is then activated by the chemoreception of nutrients and peptides by the gastrointestinal system (including the liver), the CNS and by intrinsic CNS mechanisms.

Regulation of hunger and satiety in man. Dig Dis. 1991;9(5):253-68. PMID: 1752065

Different strains of H5N1 bird flu infect the central nervous system and fat cells:

The severity of lung lesions caused by the viruses was essentially similar, whereas HK483 caused more extensive lesions in the brain than did HK156. This was supported by the results of virus titration of organ homogenates, which showed that the virus titres in brains of HK483-infected mice were more than 100-fold higher than those of HK156-infected mice, while those in lungs were almost equivalent. Both viruses were detected in homogenates of the heart, liver, spleen and kidney and blood of the infected mice. Virus antigen was detected by immunohistology in the heart and liver, albeit sporadically, but caused no degenerative change in these organs. The antigen was not detected in the thymus, spleen, pancreas, kidney or gastrointestinal tract. In contrast, virus antigen was found frequently in adipose tissues attached to those organs. The adipose tissues showed severe degenerative change and the virus titres in the tissues were high and comparable to those in lungs. Thus, infection of HK156 and HK483 in our mouse model was pneumo-, neuro- and adipotropic, but not pantropic. Furthermore, HK483 showed higher neurotropism than HK156, which may account for its higher lethality.

Characterization of human influenza A (H5N1) virus infection in mice: neuro-, pneumo- and adipotropic infection. J Gen Virol. 2000 Oct;81(Pt 10):2503-10. PMID: 10993940

pneumo- A combining form from Gr, a lung; as, pneumogastric, pneumology.
neuro- relating to nerves or the nervous system.
adipo- fat, fatty; adipocyte [< Latin adip-, stem of adeps "fat"]
tropic 1. A turning toward, having an affinity for.

Originally posted by Nygdan
I think its just a regular series of sicknesses that are spreading. Everyone in my area has gotten it, I got pretty sick for a while too. Sore throat, phlegm, cough, etc etc. Could be strep, pneumonia, bronchitis. I couldn't get an appt with my doctor on short notice, but they just called in a presciption for z-pack antibiotics, that seemed to have worked (so its not viral).

Well, there is the flu, and then there is this other thing, and the other thing we are talking about here does not respond to antibiotics and is being identified by Drs. as viral, baterial or both depending on the person.

I saw something on the news yesterday affecting people down in Louisiana they were calling "Katrina cough". People being sick for months and always having a cough. Said docs aren't sure what's causing it. Guessing it has something to do with the chemicals spread everywhere after the storm or if the storm stirred up something new. Maybe you guys down south are experiencing some of what the Katrina survivors are experiencing. Nobody I know here in Indiana is sick with the exception of my boss, but he's always sick.

yes i heard of a school having so many teachers and kids out it was forced to close for some time
a friend of mine i found out has been out for 2 days now and is going to the doctor saying it some sort of chest infection or something. wish i knew more, but something sounds off in this.