Why does everyone pussyfoot around Islam?

Originally posted by WestPoint23

They don't use the bible to hate blacks or Jews, they hate those races because they're inbred morons.

Actually they do.

Non-Whites are considered the 'beasts of the field' in Genesis as in not human.

While I don't agree with their Dogma I have read some it along with that of many different extremist groups.

The idea that others are not human is more common than you imagine.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
They don't use the bible to hate blacks or Jews, they hate those races because they're inbred morons. However I agree that we should take action against the ones supporting these terrorists. Now, you don't consider pro terrorist protest as support?

Where in the Quran does it support terrorist attacks or hate of Christans or Jews?

A pro terrorist protest is not necessarily supporting terrorism. Giving money, weapons and bombs to terrorists is supporting terrorists. Maby I should say they wernt giving material support and thus there is no crime.

Unless they were like "YEAH!!! 9/11 YEAH!!! 7/7 ALLAH!!!! YEAH!!!" then I cant really argue that one, they (pro terror protesters not all of islam) should all be shot.

But where was this "Pro Terrorism Protest" you speak of?

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Why is it so difficult for moslems to live and let live?

Why do they persist in nomadic mentality when they obviously aspires towards modern trappings by living amongst us?

C'mon, we joke and fool around quite a bit with each other, to ease off a bit on the seriousness of life, but do you see the rest of us murdering each other on a massive scale worse than an earthquake or a flood when the joke is not accepted???!!!

Good lord!! riots, fire and destruction and over what? cartoons????!!!!

I sure dont see them rioting against terrorists whom they claimed 'hijacked' their religion to murder THOUSANDS of innocent lives -thousands of kids whom may never see their parents again- and yet they willingly go on a warpath over cartoons?????!!!!!

If the moslems persists in such attitude, don't blame the rest of world if they feel alienated and bullied by moslems, and fights back. Since 9/11, the world had been patient and tried its best to accomodate and appease, but the latest actions by moslems is really stretching the limit!

Better calm things now or its too late. We are all one race- humans, c'mon!

Originally posted by Jezza
Deport them ALL.

Carve up the earth and each religion can have their little slice of the
earth.

No one wants to mix in

I guess that means no more oil for the US ?. The US cannot have its cake and eat it to !

Why does everyone pussyfoot around Jewish people ? After all if deny what Israel did to the USS Liberty theres no way there locking you up for 20 years. deny the holocaust in some countrys and get 20 years


Freedom of speech give me the rigth to deny the holocaust.
Thanks denmark

I mean come on people why is everyone scared to say something bad about it?
We live in a free society in the west, we should be able to say what we want should'nt we?
What happened to freedom of speech? The Dane's should be able to print what they want in their newspapers, I mean it was just a cartoon anyway.
I say all the muslims that protest outside embassies in Denmark, France or Britain should be deported because they don't like the way we live in a FREE society I mean we in Britain should have started deporting muslim's just after the 7/7 bombing's, they have no place at all in western society.
Everything they live by is anti-freedom.
Come on FREE people post your vote of confidence in hear or are you all wimps?
Let's see how many people think the way I do.

How familiar are you with Islam? I suppose you think all the Japanese should have been deported in WWII? Have you ever lived with muslims?

I am an American. I despise those who use terrorism as a weapon. I despise those who committed 911. However, as I've lived with muslims in the Middle East....I can tell you that Islam in and of itself, does not support terrorism.

Just because most terrorists are muslim does not mean all muslims are terrorists. Indeed, the majority are not, and there are many muslims right here in America who also despise terrorism. There is no "pussyfooting" around here, but espousing hate is simply not the way to take a moral highground either....

Yes, there are parts of Islam that espouse the destruction of infidels, etc. You'll actually find such parts in almost ALL religions' texts, including Christianity....(and Christianity has some very graphic entries dealing with it....I might add)....

Before you start proclaiming "they" should go, and "they" are anit-freedom...it's best to know exactly who "they" are, and what "they" are all about....and be sure that you yourself aren't following a policy of hate akin to those who you claim to be so inhuman.....lest we find ourselves just as evil as those we seek......

Small majority? Hah, that small majority seems pretty big to me when you time and time again see the headline "tens of thousands of muslims rioting" in completely different areas...

Why is is when tens of thousands of muslims riot and raiss hell all over the place killing, and destroying sht, its called a "small majority"


But when the tree hugging anti-bush anti-war people, show up in the "hundreds" to protest, The first comment is "the majority of America hates bush and wants a administration change" or something to that affect?

The anti-bush anti-war people are generaly the first ones to bash Christianity, and the first to defend islam..

Whats up?

Muslims who were born and raised in the ME are no comparison to those who were born and raised in the west, They have the same religion sure, but the society and way of life is much different, This is the main reason i dont think to much about any american muslim condeming the attacks of terrorists (i see it as no more helpfull then a christian doign so), Becasue there opinion realy doesnt change anything, its the opinions and actions of those who are raised the way they are in the ME who need to.

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Enough of that crap 'they'!

When a son goes wayward, ultimately the blame falls on the son's upbringing - his parents, even though no judge will sentence the parents. But invariably, society will frown upon the parents. Either the parents apologises for their son's behaviour or totally disown the son for his criminal intentions or deeds against humanity.

Moslems are a close knit community. Whereever they live, they seek to establish their own laws and cling on to their nomadic mentality culture. Instead of taking action against their own wayward kind who commits murder and destruction against the rest of humanity, the rest either remains silent or worse still, defend their actions by laying the blame on the rest of mankind for their religion's failings to assimilate live according to the rules/culture of the land!

Everyone has the right to remain in denial, ignore the truth and live in ignorance. However, to perpertrate such ignorance publically is to show one's biasness and prejudice, something which the rest of humanity had fought, died and establish rationalilty and equality for all mankind.

Do not attempt to lay blame on others now! This topic came about from the cartoon incident. There is no need to churn out ideologies. Just stick to the facts of the case. The more one defends or justifies the rioter's action by blaming others, the more worse others will view the moslem religion.

Stand up and just condemn the rioters for the actions...AND FULLSTOP!

PS:- this is by no means to curtail your freedom of speech. Go ahead and give yer crap, its your grave you are digging anyway. May you realize one day that other's life and aspirations are just as important as yours, and compromise is not a cop-out to personal beliefs. Live and LET LIVE.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Enough of that crap 'they'!


are a close knit community. Whereever they live, they seek to establish their own laws and cling on to their nomadic mentality culture. Instead of taking action against their own wayward kind who commits murder and destruction against the rest of humanity, the rest either remains silent or worse still, defend their actions by laying the blame on the rest of mankind for their religion's failings to assimilate live according to the rules/culture of the land!

For a second there i though you where taking about jewish people.

By their very defenition, extremists are more likely to get out on the streets and riot, lauch huge street protests, etc. than moderates.

Where are the moderate Muslims? At home, not rioting and staging huge street protests. Duh.

When was the last time you saw a bunch of "moderates" anywhere go on a rampage?

I strongly disagree with the violent acts being committed in response to the cartoon. I disagree just as strongly with speaking negatively of anyone's faith, or judging a people or faith as a whole based on the acts of a small minority - or even a large majority for that matter.

The same reason I won't speak badly of Islam is the reason I won't speak badly of anyone else's faith: the faith is not the people, and the people are not the faith. Anyone can use anything - including every faith on Earth if need be - to justify their actions. That doesn't denigrate the faith, but the people doing it.

Although i deeply respect other cultures and religions and do not agree that all muslims are terrorists,....I do however believe that there is some truth to the topic of "Pussyfooting around (i would change Islam to RADICAL ISLAM) ..."Pussy footing around radical islam".....there that sounds better.

I said it once and i will say it again:

The world is our appartment and all our countries are co-existing roommates. Radicalism, terrorism, terrorist supporting regimes, and violent radical groups are like a dirty toilet that none of the roommates wanna spend the time, energy and or money to clean up. A dirty toilet is a problem for all roommates especially those who take pride in themselves and try to live somewhat modestly. You can be a roommate that jumps up and helps clean up the mess, or you can be one of those lazy roommates that denies, procrastinates, complains, creates excuses, and simply doesn't wanna deal with the problem.
If these lazy rommate countries would get up, stop bickering, dedicate some time and effort and help to get somthing done....maybe we could accomplish it more efficiently, effectively, less costly, and move on to a more peaceful future.

Carburetor

Originally posted by Alien DNA
I mean come on people why is everyone scared to say something bad about it?
We live in a free society in the west, we should be able to say what we want should'nt we?
What happened to freedom of speech? The Dane's should be able to print what they want in their newspapers, I mean it was just a cartoon anyway.
I say all the muslims that protest outside embassies in Denmark, France or Britain should be deported because they don't like the way we live in a FREE society I mean we in Britain should have started deporting muslim's just after the 7/7 bombing's, they have no place at all in western society.
Everything they live by is anti-freedom.
Come on FREE people post your vote of confidence in hear or are you all wimps?
Let's see how many people think the way I do.

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I believe you are absolutely right! !

And I think that the US government is again showing it's stupidity by actually being on the same side of Muslims.. saying that the Danes should apoligize.. that is sick. If these muslims have problems or issues with this, they can go back to their own country, away from the evil western world. No one is forcing them to stay with us.

I agree completely!

US and UK governments are only against the Danes because it's a convenient distraction from themselves. Now Muslims hate is temporarily concentrated on a different country! Success!

They are too scared to rock the boat further by saying what they no doubt think: that these protests, burning of embassies, flags and threats of suicide bombings is completely unnacceptable and anyone who took part in such actions should be locked up like the suspected terrorists. It's more of an act of war than any cartooon. Yet the focus is on the cartoon

Originally posted by xmotex
By their very defenition, extremists are more likely to get out on the streets and riot, lauch huge street protests, etc. than moderates.

Where are the moderate Muslims? At home, not rioting and staging huge street protests. Duh.

When was the last time you saw a bunch of "moderates" anywhere go on a rampage?

well said

its true....i am a muslim, i dont know if i would class myself as a moderate....simply a "muslim" albeit one who follows the Quran and not the man made fabrications that came after.....but i have been wondering seriously about this for months now.
I am torn.....on the one hand...i hate the extremists....to me, they dont follow islam at all....and my fervent wish is that people stop referring to them as "muslims", because although it is not for me, to say who is muslim and who is not.....if one were to define "muslim" as one who follows the word of God....then they are not.
And on the other hand, i get mad at people who assume (because of the actions of these people) that islam is evil and wicked.
I am seriously thinking right now of starting some organisation of "true muslims". I know of a few websites where muslims think like me....and i would love to start something, something that could be big....that promotes islam as it should be.
I have absolutely NO idea how to go about this, so any muslims out there interested....get in touch.

We need to reclaim islam for what it is.

Geek101. Alot of what you are reading is anger at the percieved hypocrisy of these protestors. To say it was an overreaction on their part would be an understatement.

Perhaps some of us in our anger have overstated our beliefs concerning the direction Islam in general is taking, and I count myself amongst them, it does not lessen the concern. It is a good thing that various organizations have come out against the rioting and protests, don't get me wrong. It still seems that you are in the minority. Remember perception is all. Not right maybe, but true nevertheless. Keep talking, maybe more will join you.

If anyone should be deported, it should be the ten million illeagle people from our Southern boarder. They in my mind represent a more pressing issue than the Muslims.
The reason I say this is because they a putting one he!! of a fianancial drain on or Social Services ie. reducing services to legal Americans who have paid into the system all their life, the closing of hospitals due to hugh losses from illeagles demanding services. I thought that the current Gov. of Cal. would have the nads to put them out, but he along with other powerful political figures are just pandering to their every whim.
It makes me madder than he!! that on one side of Bush's mouth states he is doing his best to protect us from any more terror threats and the other side of his mouth says "Bring them on"

Originally posted by seagull
Geek101. Alot of what you are reading is anger at the percieved hypocrisy of these protestors. .....It still seems that you are in the minority. Remember perception is all. Not right maybe, but true nevertheless. Keep talking, maybe more will join you.

Hi seagull

i agree....the hypocrisy is astounding...to claim that the cartoons presented islam as violent, and to protest that by...well....promoting violence....is the epitome of hypocrisy.
If it seems i am in the minority, then i will respectfully disgree with that....because i know i am not....that might sound arrogant or presumptious, but i have been on so many islamic forums and spoke to many muslims, and not one, sees these protests as anything other than stupid people doing stupid things.

I cant even figure out why the police didnt arrest these protestors. They should have done.
Islam has been hijacked, no doubt....and its one of those times, when you kind of wish, that you had powers you dont actually have....

I wish i could gather all muslims who condemn this....take a massive advert out condeming it all....re-educate all those "muslims" who believe they are defending our religion....and more....ah, but i dont have that power. But whatever i CAN do....i hope i do well at least.

Whatever these extremists do....they dont do it in my name, nor do they do it in the names of millions of muslims across the world.

And i thank you for your encouragement.

Doing what you can do. I certainly can not ask for more. One voice may attract others, soon you have a chorus. Hope so anyway. Keep talkin', I am trying to listen.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Why is it so difficult for moslems to live and let live?

Why do they persist in nomadic mentality when they obviously aspires towards modern trappings by living amongst us?

C'mon, we joke and fool around quite a bit with each other, to ease off a bit on the seriousness of life, but do you see the rest of us murdering each other on a massive scale worse than an earthquake or a flood when the joke is not accepted???!!!

Good lord!! riots, fire and destruction and over what? cartoons????!!!!

I sure dont see them rioting against terrorists whom they claimed 'hijacked' their religion to murder THOUSANDS of innocent lives -thousands of kids whom may never see their parents again- and yet they willingly go on a warpath over cartoons?????!!!!!

If the moslems persists in such attitude, don't blame the rest of world if they feel alienated and bullied by moslems, and fights back. Since 9/11, the world had been patient and tried its best to accomodate and appease, but the latest actions by moslems is really stretching the limit!

Better calm things now or its too late. We are all one race- humans, c'mon!

Seeker of Truth I couldn't put it better myself, they are alienating themselves from the rest of the world