Why does everyone pussyfoot around Islam?

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Wrong as Usual devilwasp,

Only when I dont agree with you I take it then?

the Danish Embassy was torched by thousands of Islamic rioters yesterday and it looks like the riots are spreading all over Aisa, Europe and the Middle-East....so your ".1%" really does'nt factor does it?...in fact your right only .1% of the time in here IMO.

Your now saying that all those rioters are terrorists?
Your now saying the IRA doesnt count for more than .1% of the terrorists in the world?
Oh come on, even your not that stupid, you and I both know what the IRA done and was like.

Go back and do the math.....you can do simple addition can't you?

Yes I can thank you, its you who seems not to understand the diffrence between a rioter and a terrorist, or are you saying everyone who riots is a terrorist?

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Wrong as Usual devilwasp,

Only when I dont agree with you I take it then?

the Danish Embassy was torched by thousands of Islamic rioters yesterday and it looks like the riots are spreading all over Aisa, Europe and the Middle-East....so your ".1%" really does'nt factor does it?...in fact your right only .1% of the time in here IMO.

Your now saying that all those rioters are terrorists?
Your now saying the IRA doesnt count for more than .1% of the terrorists in the world?
Oh come on, even your not that stupid, you and I both know what the IRA done and was like.

Go back and do the math.....you can do simple addition can't you?

Yes I can thank you, its you who seems not to understand the diffrence between a rioter and a terrorist, or are you saying everyone who riots is a terrorist?

Your explanation is seriously flawed Devilwasp!!!
The IRA were at war with the British and their attacks were carried out within the British isles.
Whereas Radical Islamist's have carried out attacks in the U.S , U.K, Spain, Indonesia, and caused 2 weeks of rioting in France ( and that was just over the arrest of a muslim).
Am I right?

Originally posted by Alien DNA
The IRA were at war with the British and their attacks were carried out within the British isles.

Your point?
The tactics used where terrorism which = terrorist.

Oh and btw you might have missed this:

The IRA also targeted certain British government officials, politicians, judges, senior Military and police officers and civilians in both Northern Ireland, Great Britain, and in other areas such as Germany, Canada, Holland and Australia

Does that mean they are now terrorist because they fight outside a country?

Whereas Radical Islamist's have carried out attacks in the U.S , U.K, Spain, Indonesia, and caused 2 weeks of rioting in France ( and that was just over the arrest of a muslim).
Am I right?

So terrorism ONLY counts if they hit EVERYONE, instead of just britain...right.....care to explain that?

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by Alien DNA
The IRA were at war with the British and their attacks were carried out within the British isles.

Your point?
The tactics used where terrorism which = terrorist.

Oh and btw you might have missed this:

The IRA also targeted certain British government officials, politicians, judges, senior Military and police officers and civilians in both Northern Ireland, Great Britain, and in other areas such as Germany, Canada, Holland and Australia

Does that mean they are now terrorist because they fight outside a country?

Whereas Radical Islamist's have carried out attacks in the U.S , U.K, Spain, Indonesia, and caused 2 weeks of rioting in France ( and that was just over the arrest of a muslim).
Am I right?

So terrorism ONLY counts if they hit EVERYONE, instead of just britain...right.....care to explain that?

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

Where did the IRA bomb outside the U.K? (link please)

Originally posted by Alien DNA
Where did the IRA bomb outside the U.K? (link please)

From here: en.wikipedia.org...

Members of the Garda Síochána (the Republic of Ireland's police force) have also been killed; most notorious was the killing of Detective Garda Jerry McCabe, who was killed by sustained machine-gun fire while sitting in his car while escorting a post office delivery. IRA bombing campaigns have been conducted against rail and London Underground (subway) stations, pubs and shopping areas on the island of Great Britain, and a British military facility in Germany.

Yet again, are you saying that terrorists only count if they hit internationaly?

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
...the Danish Embassy was torched by thousands of Islamic rioters yesterday and it looks like the riots are spreading all over Aisa, Europe and the Middle-East...

NOT all over Asia. Just in parts of Indonesia and Phillipines. Not here in Malaysia, no.

You know, I'm thinking these so called "problem muslim communites" only happen where the standards of living are not what you'd call up to par. I suppose education is a factor too. Where the governments and authorities are corrupt, uneducated muslims are easily swayed by fundamental Imams.

It makes sense, at least to me. Imagine your life is crap, you have hardly any prospects, your government bites, your future is bleak. In comes a charismatic religious figure. You think, what the hell, it couldn't hurt to listen, this person is religious anyway, my life sucks as it is, I should make preparations so it won't suck in the afterlife... and so you listen.

And just like how politicians sometimes sling mud at their opponents to garner support from the so-so educated masses (or the educated but foolish sheeple masses), so too the fundamental Imams sling mud at the Western "Satan"

What do you think? Does that make sense?

Salaam

P.S. - Don't take this as a personal attack, I just wanted to correctly point out to you that the situation in South East Asia was greatly exaggerated (as usual) by the media.

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by Alien DNA
Where did the IRA bomb outside the U.K? (link please)

From here: en.wikipedia.org...

Members of the Garda Síochána (the Republic of Ireland's police force) have also been killed; most notorious was the killing of Detective Garda Jerry McCabe, who was killed by sustained machine-gun fire while sitting in his car while escorting a post office delivery. IRA bombing campaigns have been conducted against rail and London Underground (subway) stations, pubs and shopping areas on the island of Great Britain, and a British military facility in Germany.

Yet again, are you saying that terrorists only count if they hit internationaly?

A British military facility counts as British soil just like an Embassy,and all I am saying is that the IRAs war was with the British it's a totally different concept to Al Queda, They are attacking all over the world indiscriminately and you don't see any protest's from their fellow muslim's which makes me come to the conclusion that they don't mind what they are doing. If muslim's don't want their precious "law-abiding, peace loving" religion tarnished they should do something about it. If every muslim protested outside their embassies to disband Al queda I am sure they would dissapate as they would have no support either from governments or the people at the moment they have overwhelming support from the muslim population, did you miss the cheering from English muslims when the Twin Towers were hit?

I'll tell you why people do that:

There is a gigantic Stigma attached to this religion today .

I was just thinking about this subject this morning.

Originally posted by Alien DNA
A British military facility counts as British soil just like an Embassy,and all I am saying is that the IRAs war was with the British it's a totally different concept to Al Queda, They are attacking all over the world indiscriminately and you don't see any protest's from their fellow muslim's which makes me come to the conclusion that they don't mind what they are doing.

Its not totally diffrent, its the exact same dammed thing.
They are fighting the UK, alquaida is fighting the west, whats diffrent???

Yes a military facility is just like a UK embassy in the respects of soil but frankly that makes no diffrence.

If muslim's don't want their precious "law-abiding, peace loving" religion tarnished they should do something about it.

So what about the IRA and catholics? I havent seen any reports from catholic leaders saying how great the IRA is standing down.

If every muslim protested outside their embassies to disband Al queda I am sure they would dissapate as they would have no support either from governments or the people at the moment they have overwhelming support from the muslim population, did you miss the cheering from English muslims when the Twin Towers were hit?

The english muslims cheering when the Twin Towers where hit? No I believe I did miss this, but does that then mean that every person in england should have protested at the afgahni embassy because after all they are english yes no?

I think you are missing the point the IRA are no longer active.
The question is "Why does everyone pussyfoot around Islam?" your thoughts please.

you know, this whole deportation thing...it kinda reminds me of the inquisition...

what's next? torturing them to renounce their religion? come on guys think clearly for a second...I'm not fond of core Islamic ideologies, and I really disagree with their anger over something as trivial as a cartoon, but isn't deportation for riots a bit...extreme? I really think it's unfair to target the WHOLE muslim population (lol I think that at this point it sounds redundant) but let's say we chose to deport them...How would we know who to deport? It would just be a general "hey, if you're muslim, get out of here"...not fair...

We all have equal rights, and if they choose not to recognize that reality, it doesnt mean that we shouldn't! Two wrongs don't make a right. Intolerance, people, is our worst enemy.

Beachcoma, thank you for your posts.

There are two good reasons why we do and should pussyfoot around with Muslims.

Why We Do
The non-muslim world is already TERRORIZED and greatly intimidated by Islamic extremists; and as such, is behaving like terrorized victims. At present the cost of a direct confrontation against all Muslims would far outweight it's benefits. Consider what it has cost so far in money, currency/economic decline, human lives, loss of social/personal freedoms, etc. A full direct confrontation against all of Islam would cost us dearly. Even so, we are being pushed towards that tragic scenario against our will. Hence pussyfooting around delays the most gruesome of all outcomes.

Why We Should
A direct decreee that Islam is our mortal enemy would only go to serve the goal of Mullah's everywhere by uniting Muslims everywhere. The combined resources/money/manpower of a united Muslim world would be an existential threat to our way of life. It's better to keep them divided and or persuade as many of them to moderate. Shoving democracy and western economic values down their throats is one worthwhile method.

I have more to say regarding your question, however I hope these short concise answers make you think.

Just to make a point on your issue we don't go around desecrating Mosques in Britain but last year several Christian graveyards were desecrated here with anti-Christian graffiti but no-one says anything, it hardly even made the local news, What I am trying to say is that if it were the other way around, well, you have seen what as happened over a cartoon.

Then try and change that, just not under the banner of the BNP/NF, but under the banner of British law. Consistency is something that is often lacking when people talk about racial groups being hostile. If something is wrong then it's wrong regardless of who did it, that should always be at the forefront of these types of arguments.

I suppose if another Islamic endorsed bombing happens in the U.K then we would have to step this option up as all of the bombers in the U.K used local mosques someone at least must have known about these bombings but were we forewarned? I'm afraid not.

i dont think the average person does .
its only the goverments that do.

This is why the war in the Middle East might get ugly.
One reason "cost" it will be cheaper for all governments concerned to use the "ultimate weapon" to end this argument, seeing that the Iranian government is trying to develop it, they have got a pretty good excuse.

Originally posted by Alien DNA
I think you are missing the point the IRA are no longer active.
The question is "Why does everyone pussyfoot around Islam?" your thoughts please.

I think its you who are missing the point, islam is just like anyother religion.
The IRA may not be active but they do represent something that goes against what your saying.

Originally posted by Alien DNA
I suppose if another Islamic endorsed bombing happens in the U.K then we would have to step this option up as all of the bombers in the U.K used local mosques someone at least must have known about these bombings but were we forewarned? I'm afraid not.

What????Since when was 7/7 endorsed by anyone but the terrorists themselves?


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Originally posted by Alien DNA
I mean come on people why is everyone scared to say something bad about it?
We live in a free society in the west, we should be able to say what we want should'nt we?
What happened to freedom of speech? The Dane's should be able to print what they want in their newspapers, I mean it was just a cartoon anyway.
I say all the muslims that protest outside embassies in Denmark, France or Britain should be deported because they don't like the way we live in a FREE society I mean we in Britain should have started deporting muslim's just after the 7/7 bombing's, they have no place at all in western society.
Everything they live by is anti-freedom.

I didnt bother to read the replys in pages 2 or 3 but if sonone already said this im sorry....

You have just contradicted your self. They have freedom to protest and if you dont like it maby you should leave your country

Originally posted by Alien DNA
I suppose if another Islamic endorsed bombing happens in the U.K then we would have to step this option up as all of the bombers in the U.K used local mosques someone at least must have known about these bombings but were we forewarned? I'm afraid not.

Let me try to reason with you...

Here in the US there is a group called the KKK... They are a "Christan" group that puts down and at times killes black people. Should black people take such extream actions agenist ALL white people? Or just the ones who support the KKK and the ones in the KKK?

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Here in the US there is a group called the KKK... They are a "Christan" group that puts down and at times killes black people. Should black people take such extream actions agenist ALL white people? Or just the ones who support the KKK and the ones in the KKK?

They don't use the bible to hate blacks or Jews, they hate those races because they're inbred morons. However I agree that we should take action against the ones supporting these terrorists. Now, you don't consider pro terrorist protest as support?