9/11 Pentagon: The Mystery of the Moved Taxi

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: RubyGray

What’s your definition of none? Is one gurney on the lawn none?

Take another look at the photo you keep posting, but without deceptively cropping it.

www.flickr.com...@N02/48831250066/in/dateposted-public/

Look at all that debris covering the entire ground surface.

Then ponder how successful it would be, trying to push a small-wheeled trolley across all that, with a severely burned victim on top.

This is why gurneys were NOT used to transport any victims across this area.

All the video shows them either being physically lifted or supported by rescuers, or carried on BACKBOARDS.

The only gurneys were pulled out of ambulances, on the triage site next to the ambulances, or on sealed roads.

a reply to: RubyGray

I have tried several methods of copying the photo links, but this site is not having it.
Sorry about that.

a reply to: RubyGray

www.flickr.com...@N02/albums/72157705785286191

Trying again.
I guess this too won't work, but you can google it.
This is the link to the first page of my FLICKR album., titled LLOYDE ENGLAND VINDICATED".
There are 160 self-explanatory images there so far, taken from videos and photos.

originally posted by: RubyGray
a reply to: RubyGray

www.flickr.com...@N02/albums/72157705785286191

Trying again.
I guess this too won't work, but you can google it.
This is the link to the first page of my FLICKR album., titled LLOYDE ENGLAND VINDICATED".
There are 160 self-explanatory images there so far, taken from videos and photos.

I'm going to teach you how to post photos on ATS.

Click the quote button for this post and look at the image BBcode. You will see that I changed the [ img ] to [ ats ] and
[ /img ] to [ /ats ]






That's still not Penny.


Give us a link to the Rumsfeld blue shirt / suspenders video.

a reply to: RubyGray

You

Look at all that debris covering the entire ground surface.

Then ponder how successful it would be, trying to push a small-wheeled trolley across all that, with a severely burned victim on top.

Why would you strap a severely burnt victim to a backboard if they had no back/neck injuries? To make them scream more? And increase the chances of infections from used straps on a used backboard?

You know, six people can lift a gurney like a backboard. They are not magically sealed to the ground by gravity to prevent lifting.

Again...

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: RubyGray

Who said Rumsfeld ever pushed a gurney? Can you quote and cite where this information came from.

You original statement was

Gurneys are wheeled trolleys, which were not used that morning

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The above statement is utterly false. Below picture with a gurney at the feet of a person labeled Rumsfeld from a flicker page of a Ruby Gray.


Then you double down

Find a single video or photo of a gurney on the north lawn.
There is none.

So I found this picture


What was your point again? That you use blatantly false mythology?

a reply to: RubyGray

And you claimed I posted the north flight path witnesses were lying. Still waiting on you to quote that post? Or was that something else you just made up?

And what does gurneys have to do with the north flight path witnesses attesting to a large passenger jet hitting the pentagon? That you you cannot quote a single person a jet maneuvered to miss the pentagon and flew off. That there is no north flight path damage trail despite witnesses attesting to a large passenger jet hitting crap before crashing into the pentagon. You have no explanation for the damage to the pentagon. The jet wreckage. No explanation how the flight crew and passengers of flight 77 ended up dead at the pentagon. With no explanation what remains were released to the families that had family members die onboard flight 77. The you have no explanation for the radar and flight recorder data.

a reply to: RubyGray

I found two photos of gurneys on the north lawn. What now?

originally posted by: waypastvne
a reply to: RubyGray

Post a link to the video Ruby.

I am trying. For all the good it will do.
Here are the many appearances of Donald Rumsfeld on the Pentagon lawn, in this amateur video.
Plus numerous other significant events to fill in the chronology.

911 First Two Handheld camera videos of Pentagon after 9:38 am

youtu.be...

The First video in this compilation began at about 1 minute 35 seconds post impact.

It runs continuously until 12:08, although there are a couple of black spots where presumably the terrible operator puts a hand over the lens. The action is continuous despite this.
Then at 12:08 The footage drastically improves in quality, but has numerous breaks. So I think this is either a different video, or a different operator. That means there would be 3 separate videos here, not 2.
Timestamps for RUMSFELD:

02:20 RUMSFELD & security detail arrive, walking left to right across screen, on lawn near highway.

02:39 - 02:45 LLOYDE ENGLAND'S CAB FILMED ACROSS ROUTE 27 BESIDE CEMETERY WALL.

02:46 - 03:30 RUMSFELD & Security Detail run across lawn to patient lying on ground.
They carry him on a backboard across to the ambulance on the roadside.
Rumsfeld prods the back of guy in front of him. The whole way.
Bodyguard Aubrey Davis trots alongside but does not lift a finger.

03:22 The DECOY CAB can be seen in the distance on top of the bridge.

03:24 The WHITE VAN is travelling south from cemetery wall to bridge.
Time is 9:42:36 a.m.

03:50 A soldier runs over to triage to ask for help.

04:00 A black security guy is watching action over the highway obscured by ambulance.
According to time-stamped FOX5NEWS footage, this is the time that the TOWTRUCK was departing the cemetery wall.
That is, 9:43:12 a.m.

04:13 -18 Rumsfeld, blue shirt & braces, is in the centre of the lawn again, about to carry another victim.

04:23 Rumsfeld's arm waving for help at right of screen.

04:39 - 43 Man runs towards Rumsfeld, carrying the orange backboard.

04:59 - 16 Rumsfeld & co load lady onto backboard.

05:43 - 55 RUMSFELD & co carry backboard across lawn to ambulance.
Rumsfeld prods the back of guy in front of him. The whole way. Again.

05:47 - 48 Rumsfeld is not paying attention to badly burned victim on backboard, but gazing jntently into the distance.
He is watching the TOWTRUCK & UNLOADED TRAILER driving north off the southbound lanes from the bridge, onto the NW cloverleaf.
Time is now 9:45:08 a.m.

05:49 - 54 AUBREY DAVIS is monitoring action across the highway, using his two-way radio.

06:07 - 21 RUMSFELD, in blue shirt & braces, runs from triage to heliport, carrying the orange backboard.

06:31 Yellow firetruck # 61 is working on the fire.

07:50 - 08:25 RUMSFELD, in braces, holding orange backboard, is near southwest corner of red burned firetruck.

08:56 Rumsfeld on right of screen.

10:14 - 20 RUMSFELD, braces & ORANGE BACKBOARD, among crowd of rescuers next to Pentagon.

10:38 - 41 As above.

11:37 Red & yellow backboards carried by rescuers among group.

11:50 Red fire truck #61 arrives.

12:10 A glimpse of highway where Lloyde's cab was until just a few minutes previously, this time from the south.

Video quality improves here.

13:50 - 56 FATHER STEPHEN MCGRAW & DR GOFF treating a victim at roadside.
They were photographed here by MARK FARAM from 9:56 a.m. But different patients.

14:13 - 24 RUMSFELD in the group of rescuers, with his braces & orange backboard.
Others carry yellow & red backboards as seen in still photos taken concurrently.

15:51 YELLOW FIRETRUCK #331 has now replaced Yellow fire truck # 61.
This fire truck was photographed by JASON INGERSOLL when it began spraying the fire, on a time-stamped photo at 9:59 a.m.
It was simultaneously videoed by EUGENE HERNANDEZ, which enables timestamping of part of the video shot from the bridge.

16:48 Medics unload a gurney onto road from ambulance.

17:12 Yellow fire truck #331 first seen spraying west wall.

17:22 YELLOW fire truck first sprays generator trailer.

18:14 Everyone starts pointing, staring, aiming cameras & running south, as Pentagon collapses.

18:20 End of second segment of video.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: RubyGray

I found two photos of gurneys on the north lawn. What now?

All you found was pictures of a gurney at the triage site beside the guardrail next to the highway.
It came out of the ambulance right there.

Gurneys could not possibly be used on the lawn and Helipad which were ankle deep in debris.
Those Mark Faram photos were taken about 20 - 25 minutes post impact, long after Rumsfeld was transporting victims on BACKBOARDS, which is of course the point of what I wrote.

RUMSFELD DID NOT PUSH ANY GURNEY ACROSS THAT LAWN,
and NOR DID ANYONE ELSE.

His bodyguard was lying for a reason.
He forgot to explain his little pre-arranged jaunt in that Jeep to collect Lloyde the taxi driver and deliver him to the all-important photo shoot.

Lloyde did not even know his own cab was on the bridge.
He left it behind at the cemetery wall after he had been PUSHED TO THE GROUND by Detective Don Fortunato, who "RAN HIM OFF".

So Lloyde was walking home down the highway, being diverted by a guy who signed the false name
"MARC VANDEMERE"
on half a found dollar bill, which they exchanged as souvenirs.

HOW DID AUBREY DAVIS KNOW ABOUT THE CAB AND THE POLE?
HOW DID AUBREY DAVIS KNOW WHERE TAXI DRIVER LLOYDE WAS?
HOW DID AUBREY DAVIS KNOW WHERE THE CAB WAS, JUST 8 MINUTES AFTER THE IMPACT?
HOW DID AUBREY DAVIS KNOW PHOTOS WERE ABOUT TO BE TAKEN OF THE CAB NEXT TO A DOWNED LIGHTPOLE?
HOW DID AUBREY DAVIS KNOW LLOYDE NEEDED TO APPEAR IN TNOSE PHOTOS?
HOW DID AUBREY DAVIS KNOW WHAT LLOYDE LOOKED LIKE?
WHY WAS IT SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE LLOYDE IN THESE PHOTOS, THAT AIBREY DAVIS HAD TO STAY THERE WHILE THEY WERE TAKEN?
WHY DID LLOYDE ENGLAND NEED SUPERVISION BY THREE SENIOR OFFICERS, AS THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN?

Do quit wasting time on side issues, and stick to the point.
Make your first on-topic post!

a reply to: neutronflux

YOU WROTE :

"Why would you strap a severely burnt victim to a backboard if they had no back/neck injuries? To make them scream more? And increase the chances of infections from used straps on a used backboard? "

Where do you get this drivel?
Those backboards had no straps.
Nobody was strapped onto them.
They were the very portable, lightweight but strong emergency stretchers used to transport numerous victims too severely burned to stand or walk, with or without assistance.
Stretcher bearers on foot can go where small-wheeled trolleys cannot, such as through debris fields and rough terrain.
The gurneys came out of ambulances. There were only as many gurneys as an ambulance could carry, and they did not arrive immediately.
BACKBOARDS are part of first aid kit. There were probably many in the fire engine house, ready for action.

Just quit the haranguing and try to concentrate on the TOPIC OF THIS THREAD FOR ONCE !!

a reply to: RubyGray

How to post a youtube video:

Click share button under video.
Click copy.
Come back to ATS click reply.
Click youtube box above reply box.
Click close.
Paste link in the next box.

Delete this part of the link: h*ttps://youtu.be/ Keep only this part. W3aiHI21ILk

Click OK.

Done.





You can click the quote button on this post to see what it should look like. its right above this.

I watched the first part of the video.

Two Donald Rumsfeld's? Ruby you're a Hoot.

originally posted by: RubyGray

originally posted by: Hulseyreport
Where the light pole that hit Lloyd Taxi cab located?
Is there are pictures in available sources of a light pole near the cemetery?
That be the first indication your hypothesis is reasonable.
If it missing in subsequent pictures after 9/11 then you can consider it was taken down or was the pole that damaged the Cab windscreen?

This is not "my hypothesis".
THIS is Lloyde England's own story, told the way it happened by the only person who really knew what it was like to have a 12 foot pole fired through his windshield.
It is now proven true, against all the odds, by several independent videos showing where Lloyde was when the pole hit, and the whole process of relocating both the cab, and Lloyde, to the bridge for the photo shoot.

Lightpoles are about 40 feet long, and taper from 10 inches diameter at the base to 6 inches at the top.
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The pole that went through Lloyde England's windshield entered through a small 4 inch hole at the base of the windscreen.

www.flickr.com...@N02/33886058558/in/album-72157705785286191/

It smashed through the dashboard, knocked the front seat backwards, and stopped at the rear seat back, where it bounced, then hit again, and made two very distinct circular, 4 inch impressions.

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Three times on the 2 videos made by CIT, Lloyde physically demonstrated the length of this pole.
He showed that it extended from the back seat out to the front of the hood.

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Lloyde also drew this pole to scale on a sketch of a car by Russell Pickering.

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Therefore, this pole was about 4 inches in diameter throughout its length.
It can only have been about 12 feet long.
It had a slight bend in it when Lloyde removed it.
Its end was perfectly circular, neatly sawn off, and not jagged or deformed, which is proven on photographs of the impressions made by it on the rear seat upholstery.

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So, the pole that speared the taxi cannot have been a lightpole.
It was not one of the lamp support arms from a lightpole, as these are of smaller diameter, and flattened in cross section.

Craig Ranke showed Lloyde a photo he had not seen before, of the cab on the bridge, with the large downed lightpole beside it on the road.
Craig told him that this was the pole that speared his windshield.

Lloyde said,
"That's what THEY SAY. That's NOT TRUE."

3 times, Lloyde put his finger on this lightpole, and denied that this pole hit the cab.
He said,
"You gotta understand. THIS DOES NOT SHOW IT."

He then put his finger on a much smaller pole lying on the road on the other side of the cab, and said,
"THIS SHOWS THE POLE HERE."

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So, Lloyde England himself denied that a 40 foot lightpole hit his cab.

He said that he only saw the plane for a split second.
That is because it was hidden behind the cemetery bank and trees before it crossed the road immediately in front of him.
Here is the view Lloyde would have had of the plane,

(a) if he had been approaching the bridge, and
(b) from where he actually was, beside the cemetery, north of the heliport.

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Lloyde said he did not see the plane hit a lightpole.
But that is what he was told by others.
Lloyde said,
"I never saw it coming ... I never knew where it came from."

The first he knew of it was that it was "driven down like a javelin" and it was there inside the cab, missing him by mere inches.

This pole was brought from the cemetery site where the cab was hit, on the low loader trailer beside the cab when it was moved down to the bridge.

Many people have misconstrued his story, because of the photos taken of the cab near a huge lightpole.
But there were several photos taken which also show the smaller pole, which actually did hit the cab.

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Here is a recent Google photo of the cemetery site where Lloyde claimed that his taxi came to a halt after the pole hit it.
Below is a screenshot from the video taken from almost the same angle, 4 minutes after the impact on 9/11, showing Lloyde's cab right there beside the cemetery wall, exactly as described by Lloyde England.

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Here is screenshot from the CIT video where Lloyde personally showed Craig Ranke, twice on a drive by, where his cab came to rest with the pole through the windshield.

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Here is a screenshot from the video taken at 9:41 a.m. on 9/11, showing Lloyde's cab (facing south with driver's door open), with the towtruck already waiting behind it, and Detective Don Fortunato's silver car parked across the barricade in the HOV lane.

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Below is a screenshot of the video taken from south of the overhead sign on the bridge, looking north, at 9:45 a.m., 8 minutes post impact, and 3 minutes before Lloyde's cab was first photographed on the bridge. The black towtruck is pulling the trailer, covered in black, up onto the bridge.

There was no traffic on the southbound lanes of Route 27, except for operatives needed to set the scene, until after Lloyde's cab was positioned there.
After this, traffic was allowed to file past for only about 6 minutes, so that people could witness the cab beside the downed lightpole. Then these lanes were blocked off again for the rest of the day.

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As the towtruck was arriving on the overpass, another decoy black cab took off from the bridge, heading south. The amateur videographer just happened to turn around at this moment, to capture several seconds of tjiscab speeding away.

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Lloyde's cab was first photographed on the bridge, 7 minutes after it was videoed beside the cemetery wall.
Plenty of time to load it up on the waiting towtruck and car trailer, move it 350 yards south, then unload it on the bridge.

I can't identify if that's Rumsfield. Can you add video or captures of Rumsfield without his coat on? You providing time stamps- with no video.

Your flick links don't show up anything- you may need to upload again.

Lloyd does believe the light pol broke through the window and got wedged in the back seat. In the shot on the bridge you can view two pieces one large pole and another portion of a light pol on the opposite of the cab. Clearly that shorter piece is what impacted the window? There no conspiracy then. People just assumed he was talking about larger pole and maintained that's absurd?

Clearly the plane just knocked down a large light pol and the smaller piece just came through the window when he approached the bridge?

There no evidence someone fired a pole through the cab window when he approached.

a reply to: Hulseyreport

I think the consensus is the short piece. But Lloyd is either easily confused, or flip flops his accounts.

Some old arguments..

Is the below true or not?
It should be a simple true or false.

In the interview with Hill, England volunteers the size of the pole that he says entered his cab:

England: “I think the pole was about 40 foot long.”
truthandshadows.com...
England/Hill interview in 2010.
truthandshadows.com...

Remember, this is your statement

LLOYDE ENGLAND NEVER LIED.
HE NEVER CHANGED HIS STORY.

Is that the piece of light pole you said

THE POLE WHICH HIT LLOYDE ENGLAND'S CAB, WAS NO PART OF A LIGHTPOLE.

And you still haven’t addressed

Pilgrum said it best:

None of that adds up to the cab being relocated for whatever imaginary nefarious purpose though or even the cab, all pieces of pole, broken glass and road damage being moved while we're at it.

How did all the damage associated with the cab and light pole get moved as questioned by Pilgrum?

If flight 77 didn’t crash into the pentagon, then you cite a more credible explanation what caused the damage at the pentagon. And how the passengers and crew of flight 77 ended up dead at the pentagon.

a reply to: waypastvne

Thanks for the technical lesson.

What in the world are you talking about, "two Donald Rumsfelds"????????

originally posted by: Hulseyreport
I can't identify if that's Rumsfield. Can you add video or captures of Rumsfield without his coat on? You providing time stamps- with no video.

Your flick links don't show up anything- you may need to upload again.

Lloyd does believe the light pol broke through the window and got wedged in the back seat. In the shot on the bridge you can view two pieces one large pole and another portion of a light pol on the opposite of the cab. Clearly that shorter piece is what impacted the window? There no conspiracy then. People just assumed he was talking about larger pole and maintained that's absurd?

Clearly the plane just knocked down a large light pol and the smaller piece just came through the window when he approached the bridge?

There no evidence someone fired a pole through the cab window when he approached.

I know the Flickr links didn't work. They should have, and i went to a lot of trouble to try to include them to make sense of all this, but somehow this site messes them up. But you re welcome to go to my FLICKR album and view images there.

You are correct that there is no evidence that someone fired a pole through Lloyde England's windshield as he approached the bridge.

That is because he did not approach the bridge.

The circumstantial evidence that he approached the bridge, is those photos of him and his cab next to a lightpole on the bridge.

But he was not there when the pole hit.

Now there are several videos showing what really happened.
As Lloyde always said, he was not on the bridge when it happened. He was beside the cemetery.
The videos which prove this to be true after 18 years, are the proof that someone MUST HAVE fired a pole through his windshield.
There are no lightpoles downed near the cemetery (although there is a lamp lying on the grass near the Columbia Pike exit road).

The logistics of a lightpole being hit by a plane wing, then travelling under the plane, up the highway, and hitting a moving vehicle about 100 yards north, which then stopped and left this pole lying right at its own footprint, are just too absurd for consideration anyway.

Lloyde said he did not know where the pole came from; he never saw it coming.
He was driving along by the cemetery, about 50 metres north of the Columbia Pike exit sign.
But the plane flew across the highway right there in front of him.
Therefore the plane was about 300 yards north of the bridge. It was nowhere near those lightpoles.

It was nowhere near any lightpoles. Sure, the plane was low. But not that low. The poles were downed to convince people the plane flew so low, its wings just 30 feet above the ground.

But numerous witnesses claimed it was much higher than that, about 50, 70, 80 feet high, even 75 yards above the road.
Since the plane flew on the Northside flight path, just south of the tree-topped cemetery bank, without hitting anything there, it must have been much higher than the lightpoles. It must have been high enough to sail right over the building.

There is the testimony of Citgo gas station employee Robert Turcios, who said,
"The plane LIFTED UP a llittle bit to get over the exit sign".

And there is the testimony of ANC worker Darius Prather, who said that as the plane flew avross the exit road, it BANKED RIGHT, and it "started PIVOTING UP".

There was the reported testimony of ANC employees, told to their colleague ERIK DIEHLE, that "A bomb exploded and a plane kept on going".

In his phone interview with Jeff Hill in 2011, Lloyde England repeated what he had been told by others. Since he never saw the pole coming himself, this must have been the line that was fed to him.
He said that the plane hit a lightpole, and cut off the top part of it which got hung up on a wing, and then dropped through his windshield as it flew over his car.

Well, consult a map of Lloyde's location beside the cemetery.
If the pole dropped off the plane wing, then the plane must have been fling right over the cemetery, for its wing to have been above Lloyde's cab and dropped the pole onto it.
That means the plane would have been even further north, and much higher.
In that case, which pole was high enough for the plane to have hit it?
Where was the rest of the pole which was, as Lloyde insisted, "NOT CUT OFF", but still standing up in the ground?

That is what is impossible, any variation of the story that was given to Lloyde.

Lloyde's story is perfectly possible though, given the multi-trillion dollar budget and star wars capabilities of the building beside which he was driving when a 12 foot pole speared through his window.

The lamp support arms of lightpoles cannot be what hit Lloyde's cab, because they are of different dimensions and flattened in cross-section, to the pole on the road behind Lloyde's cab.

That fact alone proves prefabrication of this pole, in a premeditated plot to target this particular taxi driver for the purpose of deceiving the world into believing that a plane flew on a particular trajectory, low enough to create the diagonal damage path inside the Pentagon.

Lloyde was not near the bridge when his cab was hit by a pole.

Therefore the pole that hit his cab, was not any part of any lightpole.

I did give the link to the video which shows Rumsfeld (and also Lloyde's cab and the towtruck beside the cemetery wall),. You need to watch that and check the timestamps I gave.

It is true that the smaller pole shown on the bridge behind the cab, is the one that went through the cab.
Lloyde himself pointed this out on the video "LLOYDE ENGLAND AND HIS TAXICAB - THE EYE OF THE STORM".

But if he was on the bridge when this happened, then why would he have pulled that pole out of the windshield, and carted it all the way around to the back of the cab, to leave it far from his cab there in the middle of the road?

None of the official explanations makes sense.
Only Lloyde's own story rings true, and the videos prove he was telling the truth.

a reply to: RubyGray

What these Imagines?


Your accounts makes no sense.

Lloyde has changed his story.

In the interview with Hill, England volunteers the size of the pole that he says entered his cab:

England: “I think the pole was about 40 foot long.”
truthandshadows.com...
England/Hill interview in 2010.
truthandshadows.com...

Remember, this is your statement

LLOYDE ENGLAND NEVER LIED.
HE NEVER CHANGED HIS STORY.

Is that the piece of light pole you said

THE POLE WHICH HIT LLOYDE ENGLAND'S CAB, WAS NO PART OF A LIGHTPOLE.

And you still haven’t addressed

Pilgrum said it best:

None of that adds up to the cab being relocated for whatever imaginary nefarious purpose though or even the cab, all pieces of pole, broken glass and road damage being moved while we're at it.

Many attest to the standstill traffic making a decoy taxi swap Impossible with a tow truck swapping out a taxi with pole in it’s windshield? With you having no explanation where the original pole went.

What trailer do you go about with waypadtvne showing the trailer wasn’t moved?

Then you completely ignore that people attest to a passenger jet knocking over crap then hitting the pentagon.

You ignore the four other light poles, the place where an engine hit a low concrete wall, the damage of vegetation, and the damage to construction trailers.

The north side witnesses that attest to a large jet hitting the pentagon have no north flight path damage. And there are no accounts of a large passenger jet maneuvering to miss the pentagon and fly off.

What did people see hit the pentagon on 9/11 Ruby.

a reply to: neutronflux

What did people see hit the pentagon on 9/11 Ruby. 

When ERIK DIHLE, an employee at the Arlington National Cemetery was interviewed by the Center for Military History in 2001 in a recorded interview (NEIT426), this is what he had to say about his colleague's comments on what had happened on 9/11 :

Some people were yelling that a bomb hit the Pentagon and that a jet kept on going.

I posted this photo directly from your flickr account.

I clicked the share arrow. Copied the BB code.
Pasted it here, deleted everything that is not between the [ img] [ /img] codes and changed img to ats.




800 px wide is the largest photo you can post at ats. any bigger and part of the picture gets cut off. You can tell people to right click and open in new tab to see full photo.


Wile we have Sean Boger here lets talk about his pesky tree problem again.

Take a look out his window and tell me what you see.



Thats right one of those pesky trees you keep going on about.

This is the amount of view it blocks. As you can see it blocks his view of the citgo gas station. If AA77 came in north of the gas station he would not have seen it.




This photo was taken in front of the control tower. It shows Sean's real view, unlike the view in your photo.




The real flight path that AA77 flew is marked with a red line, starts at the red arrow ends at the pentagon wall. I used the DOT tower (yellow arrow) and the traffic camera (green arrow) to lay out the path. It would have been about 15 seconds out at the point above the yellow arrow. The Citgo gas station is between the green lines. Sean can't see the station from the tower. If the plane came in north of the station Sean would not have seen it until 1 sec before it hit.

Pesky trees work both ways Ruby.

I guess that makes Sean a South of Citgo Witness.