This is not a thread to appease non-believers

Originally posted by redmage
"Wording", you even admit that you're just arguing semantics, cute.

Does this clear it up for you?

dictionary.reference.com...
fo·rum, n.
A medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas

Sounds alot like a "thread" to me. Just because you belligerently choose to use another defininition, doesn't make sleepers intended point any less valid.

Jeez. You're completely missing the point in this little pathetic attempt at clarifying the thread author's agenda for him. It really doesn't matter as to whether sleeper is referring to the whole forum or this particular thread. So as a matter of fact, this is not about semantics and my argument still stands as does the content - the wording being the actual tool of communication here - of sleeper's initial post.

My questions to sleeper, which you'd like to call retorical - when they're actually not - still go unanswered by the actual author. So at this point I have no reason to believe that I've misinterpreted anything nor that my argument is off topic. Again I did question the point of the thread.

And as to me wondering about sleeper's point about non-believers being a dime a dozen (which is mentioned not once, but twice in sleeper's short initial post); you did read my link, didn't you? It would seem evidence show that the argument for believers being a dime a dozen holds more credence in this case . So I'm still curious to know what his actual point was.

Let the semantics argument go and please try to stay on topic.

Untangle your panties and follow your own advice.

Your assignment is to:

A) Start a fight

Nope. It's merely to clarify the point of this thread. What's your assignment..?

B) To lose

I surely don't see this as something to win or lose, so by all means elaborate on this one.

You've got "A)" down pat, time to work on part "B)"

Lmfao. Yeah, ok..

Originally posted by Durden
Jeez. You're completely missing the point

No, you're completely missing the point.

This thread is for, "those who are curious about extraterrestrials and for those few people who have had experiences they wish to share about extraterrestrials."

Originally posted by Durden
It really doesn't matter as to whether sleeper is referring to the whole forum or this particular thread.

So this comment (among others):

Originally posted by Durden
sleeper might want to check with the administration of this forum as to for who it is for

are completely unnessary then.

Thanks for clearing that up.

As thread author he does have some say over the topic of discussion though; which you seem to choose to ignore, or "play dumb" about, to continue your argument/fight.

Originally posted by Durden
So as a matter of fact this is not about semantics and my argument still stands, as does the content - the wording being the actual tool of communication here - of sleeper's initial post.

Exactly, the "wording" of his post.

So as a matter of fact, your argument/fight is about semantics.

Maybe you should grab a dictionary and look up the word semantics, so as not to contradict yourself.

Originally posted by Durden
my argument still stands

A) Start a fight

Nope.

thesaurus.reference.com...
Main Entry: fight
Synonyms: action, affray, altercation, argument,......

Yup.

Originally posted by Durden
little pathetic attempt

I couldn't have summed up your fight over semantics any better myself.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Durden
elaborate on this one.

Elaborate? OK.

Origionally posted by redmage
In the spirit of your avatar/name,

(A part that you omitted which gave context)

"Assignment: Start a fight and lose."(paraphrased)

It's a reference to the movie Fight Club, since you seem to be executing your own little "Project Mayhem" here.

I assumed by the avatar and name that you had actually seen the movie, my mistake.

Further elaboration is below the dotted line at the end of the post.

Originally posted by Durden
Untangle your panties

Yes, "follow your own advice".

Originally posted by Durden
My questions to sleeper, which you'd like to call retorical - when they're actually not - still go unanswered

"Well, I'd say the" post "author is the one responsible for making whatever" question(s) "he/she chooses clear so as to avoid any misinterpretation."

All of the 's sure make them look rhetorical.

Originally posted by Durden
And as to me wondering about sleeper's point about non-believers being a dime a dozen;you did read my link, didn't you? I'm still curious to know what his actual point was.

Republicans and Democrats are both "a dime a dozen" too.

So what's your point?

The answers to your "questions", are already in the thread.

All I can suggest to you now would be to sign up for a reading comprehension course at your local community college.

If you feel the need to continue this pointless debate feel free to U2U, untill then (in the immortal words of your avatar/namesake), "This conversation is over".
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"Assignment: Start a fight and lose" - A paraphrased quote from Tyler Durden (Brad Pitt) in the movie Fight Club

Project Mayhem - A reference to the movie Fight Club

"This conversation is over" - Quote from the character(s) played by Ed Norton and Brad Pitt in a conversation with the character played by Helena Bonham Carter (who is of "real life" Rothschild lineage en.wikipedia.org... ) in the movie Fight Club .

Fight Club- released 1999 - A movie directed by David Fincher, based on the novel by Chuck Palahniuk, with screenplay by Jim Uhls (sourced from the DVD on my shelf ).

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If websites such as this would demand tangible proof before entertaining any threads, podcasts, or articles of substantial length. Then we would not have 60+ page threads on these issues. However page views and hits pay the bills

My feelings can be summed up in one simple sentence:

Sleeper, tell us anything about ET that will help us understand them better.


Oh, and one more thing, a tip to all you debunkers and detractors: Has it ever occurred to you that WE have discerning minds also, and can decide for ourselves if a person is hoaxing us AFTER we hear him out? I said AFTER we hear him out!

Thanks, this is getting interesting!!

I don't think most people who doubt that ET has visited earth, I am one of them, doubt intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe or even in our galaxy. What we do not accept is that if ET were to make the trip they would not limit their visit to contact with drunk rednecks.
So, is life out there? The probability demands that there is.
Do they have been a visatatin ussens? No!
skep

Originally posted by skep
I don't think most people who doubt that ET has visited earth, I am one of them, doubt intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe or even in our galaxy. What we do not accept is that if ET were to make the trip they would not limit their visit to contact with drunk rednecks.
So, is life out there? The probability demands that there is.
Do they have been a visatatin ussens? No!
skep

You make a compelling case for your beliefs, what more can I say?

Well, we probably won't settle the belief or disbelief issue tonight, so I might as well just post this here:

Sleeper, anyone who follows your story has to be impressed with the continuity and imagination in it, even if they disbelieve.

Myself, I see no reason TO disbelieve you. I mean, you've given me the best perspective of ET that anyone has ever done, including all of film and television! You're describing a "soul-evolution" type of universe which I already believe in, so why not place ET into the context you describe? I think it's great.

Well plus you said I was probably ET gifted and mind-erased, which is way cool. If I meditate enough, can I learn how to beckon ET? I seem to recall one of your first posts was about sitting in the dark and waiting for ET, and he'd come. Do you still hold that as the best method?

Seriously, keep it up, and DO NOT HOLD BACK. Type more. Your kids and grandkids will thank you.

A couple questions:

You agreed with a member who said that Earth is like a romper room for us humans where we are learning how to be "adults". We do this through successive rebirths, enabled by ET --who may elect to completely erase any soul they feel is truly evil. ...So I'm wondering what evil acts would describe such a person? Can Charlie Manson die, repent and be reborn by ET? How do they make that determination?

I am also wondering if ET grades souls on their care and treatment of animals and weaker humans. If a cat is just automata, soulless, then why do we react instintively when we see it suffer? Will humans in this life be rewarded in some way by ET for their kind treatment of animals and weaker humans?

Also, if ET is apolitical, and you yourself are quite political, then can one assume that your political views reflect a deeper understanding of what civilization should be? That you've perhaps seen what Earth will eventually become? Do you feel that if your politics were put fully into action, we'd be more correctly on the path toward where ET wants to bring us?

MUZZLEFLASH

You say "i dont really believe in 95% of all the bunk thats posted on here; because its bunk *example the Lion people stuff* im like 99.999999% sure that theory is total fantasy"

thank you for sharing YOUR EXPEREINCE UNIQUE TO YOU



For all I no without solid prove it could be 99% fantasy thou like you claim my thread is above! NICE

You have done exactly the same thing sleeper and i have done. YOU HAVE SHARED AN EXPERIENCE UNIQUE TO YOU. You can not prove it. You can not make anyone belive it. But people can make up their own mind.

I would be careful how you rate other peoples PERSONAL EXPERIANCES, especially if you want people to respect what you have written without placing LABLES on you post.

I am genuinly pleased you have witnessed something out of the norn. I.E seen a bigger picture. It is nice you have taken the time to express this experience.

It is a shame that people who are kind enough to give up FREE TIME to tell their personal experiance are faced with labels, and worse!

The Lion People, aka (spirit world) are 100% reality to me just as your UFO is 100% reality to you and Sleeper's ET'S and UFO are his reality based on knowledge personal to him.

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Originally posted by smallpeeps

Sleeper, anyone who follows your story has to be impressed with the continuity and imagination in it, even if they disbelieve.

Myself, I see no reason TO disbelieve you. I mean, you've given me the best perspective of ET that anyone has ever done, including all of film and television! You're describing a "soul-evolution" type of universe which I already believe in, so why not place ET into the context you describe? I think it's great.

Hi smallpeeps, thanks!

Well plus you said I was probably ET gifted and mind-erased, which is way cool. If I meditate enough, can I learn how to beckon ET? I seem to recall one of your first posts was about sitting in the dark and waiting for ET, and he'd come. Do you still hold that as the best method?

In that post I was making an example to another poster concerning the fear factor of an alien encounter----to give them an approximation of how it might feel----sit in a dark basement at two in the morning with no one else in the house

ET rarely will make a contact unless it’s pertinent to you for them to do so----they know you wish this and perhaps they have been meeting you----there could me many reason you don’t remember----you didn’t take it well, or you did but they know that the memory of the encounter would be disruptive to your endeavors in this life

You agreed with a member who said that Earth is like a romper room for us humans where we are learning how to be "adults". We do this through successive rebirths, enabled by ET --who may elect to completely erase any soul they feel is truly evil. ...So I'm wondering what evil acts would describe such a person? Can Charlie Manson die, repent and be reborn by ET? How do they make that determination?

It depends on what motivated people like Manson----are they instruments or just plain evil----only ET knows

I am also wondering if ET grades souls on their care and treatment of animals and weaker humans. If a cat is just automata, soulless, then why do we react instintively when we see it suffer? Will humans in this life be rewarded in some way by ET for their kind treatment of animals and weaker humans?

Compassion like love encompass everything including animals and certainly weaker humans, we can fool ourselves and other people concerning our intentions and actions but not those on the other side or ET

Also, if ET is apolitical, and you yourself are quite political, then can one assume that your political views reflect a deeper understanding of what civilization should be? That you've perhaps seen what Earth will eventually become? Do you feel that if your politics were put fully into action, we'd be more correctly on the path toward where ET wants to bring us?

I do feel that way----but I can’t talk about it because most would see it as promoting my agenda----so I try not to mix the two.

Sleeper please explain your own logic to what you know of ET

ET can control us, whatever they damn want, alter the world with a blink of the eye right, these are all your own words.

But if they can do this, knowing i know, they know that i know but they know more

U said stuff above about fear factor, of course we are going to be in fear, not because they are aliens, it's because it's unknown to us, this creates fear itself regardless. they created us right as you say, why would they create this fear in us, why, why, why sleepy.

Again that they are so divine and can alter themselves however they like, why would we get images at night, big blackseyes, dark suits, montonous colours, and weird scenes of spaceships. Now come out of the box and think logically here, They wouldn't us to be afraid would they. Colours and everything in our environment affects our mind, this would be a negative impact on our frame of mind, being obducted, pah

Originally posted by sleeper
Non-believers of extraterrestrial intelligent life are a dime-a-dozen.

I don't agree. I think most people think some kind of ET life exists, and probably intelligent life, to boot.

Of course, they're completely and utterly WRONG, and don't have a single iota of proof upon which to base that belief.

That's why it's a belief and not a fact. An opinion, based on a set of questionable assumptions. Just because a lot of people (even most people) believe something, doesn't make it true. Look at the "existence" of God, for instance.

If you know of anything that would change the notion of ET intelligence from a belief to a fact, I'm sure we'd all like to find out what it is.

Quoted by Sleeper: The species I recollect the most are the same as us-----human----however, they have many kinds of soulless machines that take on strange and varied appearances----also the ETs have costumes----or suits----meaning their bodies are way different while they are in their ships-----they don’t consume food and drink like we do----they don’t have bodily functions like we do----they travel great distances in a very short time----perhaps they travel through dimensions----human bodies can’t make those trips-----we have to switch machines to do so----in other words put on one of their suits----hybrid bodies-----something between a soul and what we call flesh.

Are you saying that a person must have an out-of-body experience which then "drops" the person's life force or "soul" into a biological-type body, possibly even cyborg-like, which can then perform and survive the functions on a spacecraft that travels across dimensions through space, without the need for nourishment, water, or having bodily functions?
Is this kind of similar to "body swiping"? You know, those movies, like, just off the top of my head, "Freaky Friday" with Lindsay Lohan and Jamie Lee Curtis, except that instead of transferring yourself into another person's body, you're being transferred into a cyborg-like organism which functions at perfection?

MAYBE, then, could many of the ETs be explained primarily through this alone- that possibly most ETs are not actually in true biological physical form of the ETs themselves, but are really just using their life force and/or soul to control a cyborg-like organism, and then therefore that is what abductees really interact with?

MAYBE, even, this is in line with "The Matrix" movies (sorry for using another movie comparison again- no, I don't watch that many movies! they're just easy to get a point across :-))- the virtual computerized world is the ET cyborg-like spacesuit...
makes you wonder (makes me wonder anyway...)

And keep up the good work Sleeper, I agree too that you are a great wealth of information on this topic, holding far more knowledge than many books and documentaries I've encountered on ETs and UFOs...
(you really should be writing a book, you know, instead of being here...but that's up to you...)

Well...I am not against non believers, it's good to be skeptical about UFO's there is too much desinformation and hoaxes out there, still we need much to learn. I am believer..why?..because i had myself my own personal experience (well maybe someday i can put it here)..and that make believe something is out there. The best way for a skeptical or non believer is that they actually happen to him what many had happen see something in real life..., that's the only way they could change their mind by experience...not a image, not a video sound or documentary will change., this has to be a real experience and gossh that changes your life more than thousand videos, sounds or documentaries...

Isnt Sleeper?...I too have my own experience..not like sleeper...but indeed sometimes frightnening..sometimes OK...

Still i dont uderstand what's all the meaning of the ufo's..ets' and so on..but someday we all we know..

Originally posted by Astarfaraway
Are you saying that a person must have an out-of-body experience which then "drops" the person's life force or "soul" into a biological-type body, possibly even cyborg-like, which can then perform and survive the functions on a spacecraft that travels across dimensions through space, without the need for nourishment, water, or having bodily functions?

Yes, an ET encounter is like an out of body experience but you remain in your body unless they take you to a distant location outside the solar system

Is this kind of similar to "body swiping"? You know, those movies, like, just off the top of my head, "Freaky Friday" with Lindsay Lohan and Jamie Lee Curtis, except that instead of transferring yourself into another person's body, you're being transferred into a cyborg-like organism which functions at perfection?

I have never seen “Freaky Friday”, they can place your essence into any container but usually your sphere of energy is free to move about the ship unencumbered by any machine or body

MAYBE, then, could many of the ETs be explained primarily through this alone- that possibly most ETs are not actually in true biological physical form of the ETs themselves, but are really just using their life force and/or soul to control a cyborg-like organism, and then therefore that is what abductees really interact with?

Most abductees don’t interact with live ETs they interact with simple machines that have human characteristics----ETs have fully automated the process----that’s why many abductees hate their experiences, the little that they are allowed to remember----automation does not show love or respect it only performs a function

MAYBE, even, this is in line with "The Matrix" movies (sorry for using another movie comparison again- no, I don't watch that many movies! they're just easy to get a point across :-))- the virtual computerized world is the ET cyborg-like spacesuit...
makes you wonder (makes me wonder anyway...)

ETs can change suits or bodies like we change shirts, or run around in the buff---pure energy----

And keep up the good work Sleeper, I agree too that you are a great wealth of information on this topic, holding far more knowledge than many books and documentaries I've encountered on ETs and UFOs...

Thank You!

Sleeper, im sure you've been asked this a trillion times before, but do you know anything about the U.S government orchestrating the 911 attacks. It'll be interesting to hear old ETs explanation of the events.

Originally posted by hobo_321
Sleeper, im sure you've been asked this a trillion times before, but do you know anything about the U.S government orchestrating the 911 attacks. It'll be interesting to hear old ETs explanation of the events.

During the rise of Hitler America was a passive peace loving country on the verge of bankruptcy and collapse----much of Europe was in the same situation and Germany was in the worst shape of all having been defeated during the First World War, Germany and Germans were humiliated and their economy in shambles

Much of the world was rotting on the vine

Hitler stirred the pot and got the adrenaline going in Europe by his fiery and hateful speeches, finally he managed to solidify an idea and a people to his and their only way out of the humiliation they were going through----Germany was broke and the laughing stock of Europe----much like a nerd at school that is the butt of jokes and constantly picked on----they finally exploded


Realizing that the mad man was becoming a real threat----about 1933 when he became chancellor of Germany England began beefing up their military

They began buying military hardware from America----which slowly got American industry back on its feet----and the rest is history

America was happy to supply the Europeans with military supplies but had no interest in going to war----even as Hitler scorched one country after another Americans remained passive

Behind closed doors the leaders of the world knew that if America didn’t get evolved in the war all of Europe was going down and would become a German nation----with an eye for its next prize, the American continent

Japan was conquering much of the East and had its eyes for part of the American pie---but it was a bold move for them yet America was docile at the time and it was worth a shot

It didn’t take much for those in power to get the Japs to bite----knowing that was the only way Americans could be convinced to get into the war

Japan was allowed to provoke Americans by attacking Perl Harbor----where much of its ageing and useless fleet was in mothballs

Was the deception a good or bad thing?

The world is in more danger now than it was back then----you do the math

Heres the problem with the internet is that no one knows you and it makes it easy to lie. Most people on the web will lie about age, appearence, social lives and finances.

Do I beleive in UFO's of coarse I do you would have to be a fool to not think that there are unidentifiable objects in our skies.

Do I beleive in ET yes but...
The problem I have with the most people who beleive in ET also have the imagry of humanoid creatures not to different from our selves. The Grey aliens for instance have a nose, 2eyes, 2arms, 2 legs, fingers and toes etc. The problem with the people who claim these are real is that they do not take in conventional science. For instance evolution on our own planet has produced exotic life forms like jelly fish and intellegent creatures like our selves. Literally billions of different species over Earths rich history. Evolution is nothing more then genetic fluking in a series of leaps and bounds. Alien life forms should be nothing like us and that's the problem. Science dictates that there has to be at least 10,000 worlds in our galaxy that support intellegent life and though that seems like a high number out of hundreds of billions of stars it is not that much and the chances that any of those intellegent species anything like humans in appearence is so small that you had might as well say it to be impossible.

I just don't beleive that aliens built the pyramids and other landmarks. I also do not beleive they have at anytime interfered with humanities natural course of evolution. We just got lucky and never got wiped out by natural disasters.

Sleeper,

At the very least I feel your story provides a very compelling and thought-provoking first hand experience of some form of reality.

I have some questions, apologies if you have already answered them:

- What are those stones in the photograph you shared and what was your motive behind posting them? (I trauled through the post but couldnt find a specific explanation)

- You mentioned earlier that you have other forms of "proof" you wish not to share. If you are unwilling to not share it (which I totally respect) may I ask you of your motivation to do this? Is it a personal item/thought or something ET warned you not to share?

While your experience will seemingly remain an individual one, it truly interests me. While I unfortunately cannot ultimately share it with you, the more information you provide (in any form) will help myself and other members re-create that experience.

I'm neither a skeptic or believer, just a university student who feels theres more to life then what we see. When something cannot be proved or disproved for me the ideologies of belief and denial are removed. It is just as ignorant to dispell ETs as it is to believe in them (unless you feel you've had first hand experience- this is where is becomes tricky!).This reality is ultimately constructed, so why cant there be another one?

The greatest proof of your experience is the fact you've stuck with it over such a long time in the face of adversity. That for me shines clearer then any statement you've made.

Thankyou for your time,

Lee

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Sleeper,

Rather then continually edit my post I'll add another reply:

Another question for you (apologies once again if you've already answered this)

- When someone attempts to contact a loved one who has died, are they or can they actually contact them? Or is it a case of where this person is actually contacting themself, and prayer is simply a method a self-reflection and healing?

I've had an experience as I child where I had uncontrollable fear and the feeling of ultimate loneliness and vulnerability. It was a horrible situation but in it, I made contact (visually) with a dark figure, which to this day I cannot explain.

Whatever the experience was with, the feeling will always remain. And just like your experience, it will always remain a personal one. I shared it with you as for me this is the only time in my life where I have been truly lonely yet ironically with someone. It touches on your description of contacting them.

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Originally posted by sleeper
The world is in more danger now than it was back then----you do the math

I take it there is more to the story than meets the eye then. However, I thought you said the world would never be in any real danger. Maybe what I will now call "pseudodanger" but nothing of any real threat.