A Conspiracy Against Children: Exactly who is out of control?

As a Parent:
In my opinion, the definition of "Parent" in this day and age has changed drastically in the last 10-15 years. The term 'Parent' these days basicaly means nothing more than the legal guardian and financial supporter of a child. Parents are no longer teachers, role models, pillars of respect and honesty, examples of truth and fairness .. As the term "Parent" once stood for. Parents used to be highly respected by the school systems. Nowadays, the only thing the school systems respects is MONEY. The more students they have enrolled, the more money they get from the government. We as a society have stood by and allowed "outsiders" into our familes and our homes. We've stood quiet while these 'outsiders' has determined and decided how we as parents should raise, educate, discipline, feed and nurture OUR OWN CHILDREN! We have given up our parental rights and insight to these 'outsiders' how tell us that our children have become "chemically imbalanced" and should be forcefed the magic pill to make it all go away. And even when our parental instincts tell us to say no, our own personal low self esteem and need of acceptance kicks in and we give strangers permission to medicate our children. In some cases, when we do stand up and say Hell No, we are threatened and told that if we do not allow it to happen, then the child will no longer beable to attend school or that the child protective services will intervene and that other authority figures will make the decision and force the parent and child to abide to the medication.

Everyday we send our children into a "social warzone" to be bullied, ridiculed, humiliated, ostracized, belittled, abondoned, alienated, despised, detested and disesteemed by their peers and by the people whose job it is to educate and inform them. In the classroom, when a certain child is smarter than others and knows the answers to the questions, they are encouraged to be quiet, they're thought process is attacked and ripped apart. I'll give you an example .. My daughter will turn 8 in Nov. She just finished her 1st grade year. Before she ever started school, she could read and write, knew the alphabet, knew how to sound out words and spell them, she knew math, knew how to tell time and knew how to count money ... No, she was not perfect and knew everything about it, but she had an advanced knowledge and understansding about all of this before she started school. We get a phone call one day from the school, the teacher, counselor and principle would like to meet with us about our daughter. We go to the meeting and we are told .."We would like it if you would stop teaching her at home. That's OUR job and she's not learning anything at school." .. Honestly, that was what they told us. My response was somewhat hostile to say the least. Stop teaching her at home?? It's YOUR job to educate her about everything??

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[edit on 9-6-2006 by Digital Zombie]

If that wasn't bad enough, our children are taught to ignore the injustice and abuse to others. When they stand up for someone, they're immediately punished for doing the right thing. Another example .. Daughter comes home one day with a note from her teacher that says her name was put on the board and that she would not be able to join her classmates at recess the following day. I asked her what happened and she told me that one of her friends told a boy that she(the other girl) liked him .. and the boy pushed her down against the wall and into the floor and made some very rude and inappropriate comments about the little girl being fat and of a different race than himself. Naturally the little girl started crying and when my daughter told the teacher what happened, the teacher punished her for being a 'tattle-tale' and getting into other peoples business. Nevermind the little boy who just physicaly and emotionaly hurt the little girl and nevermind the little girl in question ... The teacher was more concerned about my daughter being a tattle tale than she was with everything else. What happened to the boy .. Nothing. What happened to the girl .. Nothing.

And this kind of behaviour goes on daily. They teach our children to Shut Up & Sit Down! They teach our children to Shut Up & Take It! when they are bullied or abused. They teach our children to Shut Up & Mind Your Own Business! when they see the injustice and abuse of others. It's no wonder why America is in the state we are in. We're being taught from an early age to Sit Down! Shut Up! & Deal With It!

Just for clarification .. My daughter is not, nor will she ever be on any type of medication. As much as I would like to homeschool her, it's not an option at the moment. So when she is home I take the time to educate her, answer any questions and reassure her. And I don't stick to the things "of her age group" .. I teach her as if she was a grown adult and teach her the same type of subjects whether it be Wildlife, World History, Mechanics of How things work, Science, Computers and anything else she wants to know about. We even dabbled in a little basic Algebra and equations the other day.

My point is, they don't want us to be REAL parents ... They wants us to Sit Down! Shut Up! Fork over the money they need and Deal With It!

[edit on 9-6-2006 by Digital Zombie]

sorry quote instead of edit... my bad...

[edit on 6/9/06 by TristanBW9456]

Originally posted by TristanBW9456
Everything directed at we children brainwashes us, the school system, the media, pop culture, and eachother. I write this literally with tears in my eyes, because I can see how Even I have been marred by it, we get kicks out of bullying eachother, we judge eachother solely on whether we have had an intimate (not neccesarily with any meaning) relationship with one of the opposite sex, we have become monsters, feeding off of eachother, even when one of us rises above, he/she is quickly dragged right back down into the septic tank which is the bulk of our youth, most dont even know what the word morals means anymore much less have them, even then it would be near impossible to enforce them upon oneself...

Wow I get really charismatic when I'm depressed... I dont know whether to cry or laugh... hell why not laugh so hard that I cry

but I'm kinda sad to do that

meh...

oh and your doing a great job with your daughter and keep up the good work good to see other parents think somewhat like mine! Despite their faults they have protected me from the worst of the brainwashing...


[edit on 6/9/06 by TristanBW9456]

[edit on 6/9/06 by TristanBW9456]

A fascinating essay written by a former NYC school teacher:

How public education cripples our kids, and why

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The empire struck back, of course; childish adults regularly conflate opposition with disloyalty. I once returned from a medical leave to discover that all evidence of my having been granted the leave had been purposely destroyed, that my job had been terminated, and that I no longer possessed even a teaching license. After nine months of tormented effort I was able to retrieve the license when a school secretary testified to witnessing the plot unfold. In the meantime my family suffered more than I care to remember. By the time I finally retired in 1991, I had more than enough reason to think of our schools - with their long-term, cell-block-style, forced confinement of both students and teachers - as virtual factories of childishness. Yet I honestly could not see why they had to be that way. My own experience had revealed to me what many other teachers must learn along the way, too, yet keep to themselves for fear of reprisal: if we wanted to we could easily and inexpensively jettison the old, stupid structures and help kids take an education rather than merely receive a schooling. We could encourage the best qualities of youthfulness - curiosity, adventure, resilience, the capacity for surprising insight - simply by being more flexible about time, texts, and tests, by introducing kids to truly competent adults, and by giving each student what autonomy he or she needs in order to take a risk every now and then.

But we don't do that. And the more I asked why not, and persisted in thinking about the "problem" of schooling as an engineer might, the more I missed the point: What if there is no "problem" with our schools? What if they are the way they are, so expensively flying in the face of common sense and long experience in how children learn things, not because they are doing something wrong but because they are doing something right? Is it possible that George W. Bush accidentally spoke the truth when he said we would "leave no child behind"? Could it be that our schools are designed to make sure not one of them ever really grows up?

Do we really need school? I don't mean education, just forced schooling: six classes a day, five days a week, nine months a year, for twelve years. Is this deadly routine really necessary? And if so, for what? Don't hide behind reading, writing, and arithmetic as a rationale, because 2 million happy homeschoolers have surely put that banal justification to rest. Even if they hadn't, a considerable number of well-known Americans never went through the twelve-year wringer our kids currently go through, and they turned out all right. George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln? Someone taught them, to be sure, but they were not products of a school system, and not one of them was ever "graduated" from a secondary school. Throughout most of American history, kids generally didn't go to high school, yet the unschooled rose to be admirals, like Farragut; inventors, like Edison; captains of industry, like Carnegie and Rockefeller; writers, like Melville and Twain and Conrad; and even scholars, like Margaret Mead. In fact, until pretty recently people who reached the age of thirteen weren't looked upon as children at all. Ariel Durant, who co-wrote an enormous, and very good, multivolume history of the world with her husband, Will, was happily married at fifteen, and who could reasonably claim that Ariel Durant was an uneducated person? Unschooled, perhaps, but not uneducated.

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The latest stats you gotta see!

Cafferty on All the children left behind

CAFFERTY: Remember "No Child Left Behind"? Well, according to a new study, we're leaving behind 7,000 children every school day in this country. The 1.2 million students, who should be graduating high school this spring most likely won't be. Translation, 7,000 kids a day in the United States are leaving school. That's according to an alarming study sponsored by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation on the state of education in this country. Last year Bill Gates called American high schools obsolete. Based on these numbers, he might have been on to something.

The big cities are the worst; 14 urban districts places like Detroit, Los Angeles, Miami, Denver, Cleveland, Dallas, Milwaukee. They have an on-time graduation right of less than 50 percent. In New York City the on-time graduation rate is just 38.9 percent. In Baltimore, Maryland, it's 38.5 percent. And in Detroit, Michigan the on-time graduation rate of high school students, 21.7 percent. That's disgraceful.

The nation's overall graduation rate is about 70 percent, so the question is this -- what does it mean when 7,000 students are dropping out of school every day?

BLITZER: Jack, did I understand you right, that in Detroit only 1 in 5 students in high school actually graduates?

CAFFERTY: On time.

BLITZER: That's pretty shocking.

CAFFERTY: It's disgusting.

Video Link

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The future of this country is in big trouble....

[edit on 22-6-2006 by loam]

Glancing through this thread (nice work loam, btw)… for every report of abuse people have linked to there’s at least one report like the following that we will never find documentation for because it just doesn’t exist:

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I’m three and one half years old (I remember how Proud I was to learn the “and a half” part of my age) so it was late 1968 early 1969 (my dob is 07/14/65) My father and I are driving the freeways the L.A. were we lived at the time. I’m in the back seat, with my doggy blanket and doggy pillow, wearing my seatbelt (pre child seats, pre helmet laws)

L.A.P.D. pulls us over. Officer comes up to drivers door, baton in hand, opens drivers door, and starts to yank my dad out of the car. Officer is not having much luck because a) my dad was a BIG guy and b) dad was still wearing his seat belt.

Dad unlatches his seat belt and half gets out half gets Yanked out of the car, all the while asking “what did I do? what is going on?”

Officer says, and I quote, “SHUT UP, YOU ARE COMING WITH ME”

To wit my father replies “what about my son?”

IF the officer replied I either didn’t hear or don’t remember the response.

Officer shoves dad into back of patrol car and away they go, Leaving Me (a three and a half year old child) Unattended on the side of the freeway in Los Angles!

I, of course, am FREEKED.

Time passes.

A concerned citizen stops to see what the ‘ell is up with psycho kid alone in the car along side the road.

I don’t talk to strangers. I lock all the doors and scream at them to GO AWAY.

More time passes. I can’t hold it anymore and foul myself.

More time passes.

More concerned citizens come to check me out. Finally one guy just STAYS and flags down a cop. (pre cell phone days people)

I see the Officer and Totally FREEK. No Way In HELL am I letting That person anywhere near me. It was NOT the same officer that took my dad away, but a uniform with a gun is a uniform with a gun.

He wants to know where my folks are. Between screaming at him to GO AWAY I tell him that my mom is at work at the hospital (but I don’t know which one) and that YOU TOOK MY DAD AWAY!

Officer plays with his radio.

Then, (get this) OFFICER GETS IN HIS PATROL CAR AND DRIVES AWAY, LEAVING A THREE AND A HALF YEAR OLD CHILD UNATTENDED ALONG SIDE THE FREEWAY OF L.A.!!!

More time passes.

It is now dark.

I have had no food or drink for hours, and I’m sitting in my own filth.

FINALLY yet another officer brings my dad back, escorts him to our car. I have to unlock our doors to let him in because the first officer took my dad away so fast that THEY LEFT THE KEYS IN OUR CAR!!

I, still in total freek out mode, want to know what happened. Dad, not doing to well himself, doesn’t want to talk much right then, just wants to get home and get some distance between US and THEM.

That night and the following days I learn that THEY thought he was ‘somebody else’ and that it was a case of ‘mistaken identity’.

WE try to SUE. We learn that (at least at that time) LAPD can detain ANYBODY for up to 24 hours for ‘questioning’ without pressing charges or reading you your rights or telling you WHY they are holding you. AND, joy of joys, that LAPD was not responsible for other passengers in the vehicle. *rolls eyes*

That’s all I was, just “another passenger”.

We left L.A. shortly thereafter, and I have Never gone back.

Needless to say, I have very little faith, respect, or Trust for our boys in blue due specifically to that event in my life, which is Sad because I’ve met a Lot of officers since then who are actually really really cool… but I STILL don’t trust them.

Take that for what you will. It’s a true story. I doubt we’d ever be able to find any documentation for it of any kind anywhere. And I can’t help but believe that that was NOT an isolated event.

query: would that constitute 'abuse'? There was no physical contact...

rock on
twj

I don't have a link, but in the newspaper today there were two very ugly cases that fix this thread very well.

One was in the US, I believe in Sacramento, if memory serves. The game of 'tag' was banned (!) at a local elementary school because it 'violates the non-touching policy', 'creates self-esteem issues' and 'it is not safe for children to be running around like that'.

The other was in England. A school was putting on some sort of play or something like that. The parents of two black kids sued the school board because their cihldren were cast as monkeys in the play, and claimed that this was racist and discrimination. The article then goes on to say that 'they would have been sharing the role with three white children.'

Poor kids... I'm glad I'm not a kid in this day and age in some of these places...

Look when I was in juvee at 17, there was another dorm for the under 14's. One day a group of children, two of them 8 years old, one 9 year old, and an 11 year old were brought in for a 21-day stint. They chased down some kids in their neighborhood, beat them down, and then stole their bikes and ran off. I swear if that was not the funniest thing I saw. Those silly children.

There are children under ten years of age sitting in juvenile detention in yall's cities right NOW. There are always under tens at that facility, and that was only the west side facility I was in. The east side was even bigger and oddly enough was on the same property as the adult facility, although visual contact can never be made with each other.

This article is so outrageous it probably deserves its own thread!

Children arrested, DNA tested, interrogated and locked up... for playing in a tree

To the 12-year-old friends planning to build themselves a den, the cherry tree seemed an inviting source of material.

But the afternoon adventure turned into a frightening ordeal for Sam Cannon, Amy Higgins and Katy Smith after they climbed into the 20ft tree - then found themselves hauled into a police station and locked in cells for up to two hours.

Their shoes were removed and mugshots, DNA samples and mouth swabs were taken.

Officers told the children they had been seen damaging the tree which is in a wooded area of public land near their homes.

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What sentence does the following crime deserve?

Taking a pair of scissors to a 6 year old child's tongue as punishment for 'talking-back.'

This thing in Atlanta got probation, and is required to take classes (I think the 3-6 months in jail was on unrelated charges, but I'm not sure) - regardless, this just stupifies me. Does the punishment fit the crime in this case? Not by a long shot...

www.wsbtv.com...

A mother accused of cutting off part of her son's tongue with hot scissors avoided a 5-year prison sentence and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

But before going on probation, Samantha J. Davis, 33, will serve 60 to 180 days in a detention center.

Judge Wade Crumbley also told Davis to complete a 26-week parenting class, a nonviolence class and have only supervised visits with her son.

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Your kid mouths off, so you burn their neck with heated metal and then proceed to cut off their tongue?!

Anyone who doesn't believe we're living in Hell hasn't been paying close enough attention...

[edit on 4-8-2006 by WyrdeOne]

In Houston 2004. A call was received at prescient 4 harris county police department. The call stated that some kids were throwing rocks around an apartment complex. When police (6 cruisers=8 cops) arrived they went to an apartment where they witnesses a group(5 kids) of kids playing video games in an apartment threw a window. The children ranged in age from 8 to 13. the kids were drug out of the apartment and handcuffed legs and arms. One of the officer said one of the kids was resisting arrest (already restrained in leg and arm cuffs). The police officer shot the 11 year old boy in the back of the head for resisting. when the news was released it turned out that the 11 year old was simple minded and was scared and was not able to understand what the police were asking or doing. The murder or officer was placed on paid administrative leave. However he is now been place back on full patrol duty. And no charges were ever brought against him for murdering this child.

I will do my best to find a link to the story.

What is happening in this country is disgusting. We are becoming complacent to living in a police state. The authority figures that are supposed to protect us are found to be more criminal than the criminals are.

Your thread scares me and I fear for the futures of our children in this country. I fear for all of us.

Gotta love this one...

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Seeking straight A's, parents push for pills

A 15-year-old girl and her parents recently came in for a chat with Dr. James Perrin, a Boston pediatrician, because they were concerned about the girl's grades. Previously an A student, she was slipping to B's, and the family was convinced attention deficit hyperactivity disorder was at fault — and that a prescription for Ritalin would boost her brainpower.

After examining the girl, Perrin determined she didn't have ADHD. The parents, who had come in demanding a prescription, left empty-handed.

Perrin, a professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School and spokesperson for the American Academy of Pediatrics, and other physicians say this is an increasingly common scenario in doctors' offices around the country, though there are no hard statistics on it.

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it is amazing that most of these things still happen today with all the political correctness and most of these things make me sick just thinking about it, kids being shot for nothing, being aressted for minor crimes and having the police called in for minor things eg a fight that a principal or teacher could have dealt with but have been afraid to because they could be taken to court

words can not describe these events. good thread loam

You know Loam after this thread I been help many kids with no home or broken homes. Most were easy but there this one girl who having a really hard time. Its so bad in her house she been having crazy thoughts and I said she can stay over my house if she has to. My mom was opposed to it until I made her read your tread. Now she more that willing.

Thank you.

I dont often vote way above for folks, but this one deserves it Thanks so much.

Thank you, El Che & krt1967...

Another interesting article:

Defender Opposes Shackling Kids in Court

The public defender's office is trying to convince local judges and the Florida Bar that forcing child suspects to appear in court in handcuffs and leg shackles is inhumane and should be banned.

"One would never expect that in 2006 we would see daily reminders of when human beings were kept in bondage," said Miami-Dade County Public Defender Bennett H. Brummer.

Brummer's office filed a series of motions Monday with Juvenile Court judges seeking an end to the practice and on Thursday will seek support from the Florida Bar for a statewide prohibition.

At least one judge agreed. "I have always said (juveniles) should not be chained in my courtroom," Miami-Dade Circuit Judge William Johnson said.

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The poor children.

Perhaps we should listen to the children?

Descendant from APES.

if only the children were near a saint that could guide them, and help them learn.

poor little ape near saint

Spelled out phoenetically, like a shild would spell the syllables:

ap (the "e" is silent, and makes no sound, so we can disregard it, as a child would)

ner (again, the "a" is silent and makes no sound, so we can disregard it, as a child would)

Saint is abbreviated as "ST.", so .....

so we have: AP NER ST

now, for giggles let's reverse the three .. .. .

PA REN TS

PARENTS

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Children like to play with their toys.

SO, let them play with thier Toy

phoenetically spelled out the same:

let toy

reverse the order:

Toy Let

Want a tool to help poddy train your child?

let them play with their toy.

Toy let ....

Toilette


Are we utilizing subliminal influences to effect the actions and behaviors of our children?

Could language itself be influencing actions and behaviors?

The possibility is being discussed in this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Who was the first person to kill another person?

Cain according to the teachings of the bible.

Cain had children.

Cain's DNA is in his bloodline.

If Cain was within a child, we would probably want that aspect of their personality to die:

But, how could you tell Cain to Die?

Cain, Die!

Phonetically:

Can di

Can di

Candi

Most closely relateds word in the english language:

Candy.

Originally posted by loam

Another interesting article:

Defender Opposes Shackling Kids in Court

Ah Florida.

Poster state of the New Age.

Lookin good.

Any camps there? That we know of?

Sick is an Understatment! What the hell is going on?

Let's see they are now:

-Handcuffing elemenrty school children
-Peper spaying kids
-Shocking special needs students with tazers (For the record, you can kill someone with a Tazer if they have heart problems)

Did I miss anything?

Strange, in my Teacher's ED classes, they told us corpral punishment is ILLEGAL!
I though America had Laws against abusing children! Who's watching the cops while all of this is happening?

Tim