Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Originally posted by lucianarchy
Reading you loud and clear.

Very good analysis. clear, well written and accurate, with a sharp insight.

A very valuable addition to the 'Hitchhiker's Guide To The SERPO Thread'!

i've never got around to doing it yet, but I'm going to press that 'way above vote for 'nextlevel' button.

If this community take what nextlevel has to say on board, we can realisticaly hypothesis that we should be seeing some very interesting developments coming from camp 'anonymous'.

(Blushes) Thank ye!

All I need to do now it foster a working group to really put this together. Serpo would be our first 'case'. Again, I think ATS has forums for this type of effort, and I'm probably going WAY off-course and probably offending the sensibilities of Admins here to suggest such an approach.

But then again, I might reply by asking: 'Why hasn't this been assigned to the Research Forum' already?

Originally posted by lucianarchy
The fact that this has 'crossed over' into the media, particularly in the UK with the FT and the BBC getting on board

I assume by FT you mean Fortean Times. I have tried searching both the FT and BBC sites and can't find any mention of Serpo except on the FT message boards where RuffReady posts. If you know of links to verify your statement could you post them please as I'd be interested to see.
You may wish to check outUFO Updates Mail List
And see what people like Bruce Macabee, Stanton Friedman, Nick Pope and the other biggies in the UFO world have to say about Serpo. Start in December 05 look for Victors List.

Ment as constructive criticism:

1. These people (insert group or individuals) believe Serpo is true (the core story)!

Ergo Serpo is true!

Sepro exchange happened! Not only does Bill and Victory say it's true, but I've heard (read) others are saying it too! Therefore it must be true!

This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because the fact that many people believe a claim does not, in general, serve as evidence that the claim is true. Appeal to Belief.

2. This is cut and paste directly from www.serpo.org and is presented as direct from anon:"Posting Six by Anonymous (14 November, 2005)


You will be honored one day for providing assistance in our release of information. Many thanks.

I do not feel that a dialogue or argument with non-believers would benefit our cause. They have the right to critizice our information, but none of them will ever be involved in the final process."

This is known as Appeal to the Consequences of a Belief . A very well known cult technique of control. Ask yourself who is the real target.

3. Bob "The Serpo exchange happened!"
Joe "How do you know?"
Bob "Because Bill said so!"
Joe "Good, how do I know Bill is right?"
Bob "Because I can vouch for him!"

Begging the Question.

4. Poster 1 "I think Serpo is true!"
Poster 2 "No evidence (photo's, page of calculations, credibility of source etc) to support it being true."
Poster 1 "You can't prove it didn't happen!"

Who has the Burden of Proof? In most cases the burden of proof rests on those who claim something exists.

5. Misleading Vividness is a common fallacy in which a very small number of particularly dramatic events are taken to outweigh a significant amount of statistical evidence. Do we need an example?

6. Dude "What do you think of the Serpo info? Is it real or made up?
Chick "I think it sounds like the aliens are really reptiles! Serpo is sooo hot it only makes sense! I think they have underground bases and cloning labs!"
Dude "WOW I'd never thought about that before!"

Scooby fans what's this called? RED HERRING!

I know I have flaws in my critical thinking do you?






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1. On 194, Midniteracerx posted and pasted 25 rules of disinformation. The link is here: goldismoney.info... These rules describe what a disinformation campaign would look like. Compare these points carefully to what is going on here.
2. On 194, Casual One posted the basics of the con game and how Serpo.org fits that process. I voted him a Way Above Top Secret Point for that post.
3. Look at the thread in light of 1, 2 above. Do you see anything that matches this described behavior?
4. On 204, TruthMagnet lays out a general summary of some of the glaring incongruities in the story. There have been dozens of others raising similar points in different areas of the story.
5. So far all the posts supporting Serpo the Snake look to me like rationalization (I want to believe--and I will admit, with my analytical nature, I tend to look at it the other way).
6. Then there are the multiple smilie philosophy-101 posts. Most of those sit somewhere between nausea and absolute uselessness.

Originally posted by NextLevel
because I think you're blowing more hot air (respectfully)

7. Also, the chicken/egg theory that works something like this: Serpo existed before therefore this story is true or inversely, Serpo existed before therefore this story is false. (Concocted from that as if it were truth. Remember, the old Serpo story is just that at this point).
8. And finally, I am a little confused by the rabid acceptance of explanations of sticky areas because the explanations are just words without any substantial background reinforcement, i.e., all of Ryans posts. (see points 1 and 2 above).
This is an internet thread after all where nothing is validated and everything is up for subjective acceptance or not.

Originally posted by box

I pose a Question to Skeptics - why would you come to read a form, and a whole story just to debunk it if you were not getting PAID to do so?

Box, you mean to tell me people actually get paid to post on these threads? ALERT: anyone who is honest and pays people to debunk frauds on the net, I am available and in between contracts! Please send a u2u only if serious.

Thanks,
DS, aka DHO

(This is a test of the Emergency Intelligent System. I repeat, this is only a test. Had this been an actual emergency this test would be followed by something intelligent.)

Maybe this thread should be moved to 'Skunk Works' so people won't feel so threatened by it. Seriously, I had less of an emotional reaction when robbed at gunpoint.

If the responses aren't emotional reactions then why are they repeated over and over? If it's only logic then logic would dictate the individual to move on to something more logical. Repetition isn't logical. It just give the mind something to occupy itself with.

This 'belief vs disbelief' (BvD) thing is nothing more than a divide and conquer technique. It's one of the famous 'non-choice' choices humans agree to without questioning. BvD becomes a security blanket; a comfort zone. It also becomes a tool for enforcing the illusion of the individual's ego.

If BvD is still necessary for the individual's conscious progression, please at lease take a little responsibility for yourself. No one, but yourself, can force you to believe or disbelieve anything. No one can mind control you unless you don't have control to begin with.

Disclosure has already happened. Ebens are not going to come knocking at your door with a "WatchTower" pamplet asking if you are saved. There will be no adequate "proof" of this, or pretty much anything on this site.

and the point is?

I think I am highly responsible for my views as I have clearly stated and admitted. Read some of my previous posts and you might figure out that I've got no problem with disclosure and I believe these things are underway to some extent. However if Serpo is part of it, they need to get a better writer, somebody more professional and someone who is less innocent.

Only Nixon could go to China.

Originally posted by dogberts not
and the point is?

I think I am highly responsible for my views as I have clearly stated and admitted.

Not directed at you. Just a general take on the repeated redundant repetition still going on. If people want the thread to die then don't post on it.

I agree that the writing is horrible. If it's a hoax, it's the worst written one yet.

[edit on 2/4/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]

Originally posted by Shawnna
I am absolutely getting your drift!

And when I do know, and can prove it, I WILL share our research and all of our details with all of humanity. For THAT is how an honorable person conducts themselves.

[edit on 4-2-2006 by Shawnna]

Just curious, who is "our"? Have you formulated a special team of hoaxbusters to prove Serpo is untrue? Also, are you the spokesperson for your group? I'm just trying to figure out where you stand.

For the first 180 pages or so of this thread, you seemed to be Pro Bill Ryan. But lately is seems your posts have begun to subtley turn against him. I'm really curious why the change of direction.

I look forward to your intel and who the rest of your team is.

[edit on 4-2-2006 by thirddensity]

um...

I've seen (and participated) in a lot of discussion about the possibility of hoax, prank, myth, misinformation, disinformation, real...

What I haven't seen much... in fact Any, discussion on is the possibility that this is misdirection.

Hundreds (if not thousands) of UFO researchers all over the world are looking at serpo...

What's going on over There where we aren't looking??

Just a thought...

perhaps we ought to watch our backs a bit...

rock on
twj

Originally posted by thirddensity
For the first 180 pages or so of this thread, you seemed to be Pro Bill Ryan. But lately is seems your posts have begun to subtley turn against him. I'm really curious why the change of direction.
[edit on 4-2-2006 by thirddensity]

While I'm a little confused about the change in tactics Shawnna has taken throughout the thread, I've personally found myself aligning with what she has mentioned and discovering much of the same information myself. While she most likely has put together a team to research, I'd think it's safe to assume that quite a few people on ATS have decided to research independently or as part of a team. In the end, the truth always comes out. Maybe I'm naive, but I believe that people with evil intentions usually end up digging their own graves.

I'd also suggest, to anyone who does discover any piece of information that "might" poke a hole in the story - don't post it. Until you truly have an outright smoking gun, I think it's apparent to everyone here, that anything you post to this thread will be read by those who are contriving (or disclosing - that's still a possibility) this story - it will be used as part of their formulation to move ahead. Knowledge is power. The more you have - and the less "they" think you have - the better. And even if you don't have anything - hey, "they" don't need to know how much you DON'T know either.

Remember, this forum is a wonderful place, with discussions covering science, society, politics and many other fantastic topics. But THIS particular thread has also become a source of intel for those who are perpetrating this website out to the world. Just be careful with what you offer up to everyone - that's all.

Take care - and more later.

-rdube02





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Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon

I agree that the writing is horrible. If it's a hoax, it's the worst written one yet.

Hi AoG,


I think you have hit a rather important nail on the proverbial head.

This is how you get the truly curious and insightful to see beyond the piffle that is the SERPO story. The waiverers, debunkers and totally sceptical have ample ammunition to sate their need to negate the possibility that everything they knew is based on fiction. No offence intended, I'm looking in from the outside! (Confused? call me a taxi! )

That is one hell of a concept to comprehend fully, but the idea has now been implanted and we all move one stage further to acceptance of the agenda the writer proposes subliminally or otherwise, dependent on your initial stance.

I have narrowed SERPO down to two things; it's either total fabrication and the model makers are busy prepping the photos or video. OR

It is partial fact disguised as totally unbelievable fiction, which was written by a 12 year-old's dog while eating a bowl of Bonio while humping its owners leg! You get the picture, it's bad!!

I believe their is something hidden within the SERPO story, what it is or how deeply it's hidden is anyones guess, but someone has made a potentially good book/film idea look like a non-backable pile o' piss!

Scientology? What do they stand to gain? This ain't a marketing ploy!

Messesr Doty/Collins et al; certainly have the wherewithal, but these guys have just released a book which fails to mention SERPO. How's it going to look if they suddenly come up with the SERPO story? I'd certainly be asking them if they were as connected as they had been making out! Does not compute.

Bill Ryan - If this is Bill's attempt at writing, I've a message for him. Stick to the teaching!! ;-]

This is a badly written piece of literature, it is neither factual in written content or context, nor is it providing substantive mathematical or photographic evidence that would be necessary for this to succeed as a believable story; therefore it would be viewed as an obvious hoax.

IMHO this has been cleverly put together to pique the interest of the curious among us while giving plenty of giggle room. OR That 12 year-olds dog has been busy!


Best Wishes

J

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Originally posted by rdube02
...it will be used as part of their formulation to move ahead.

I don't really agree. Anonymous's post 14 was clearly a reaction to the "team member" debate. However, the post did NOT resolve the issue with 13th team member. So either we are dealing with someone that doesn't understand what was said or someone that is reinforcing the 80% part. Possibilities beyond these two are delving into double-reverse psyche techiques. Such as making the story so full of holes people think it's real because it's so horribly written and no hoaxer would write such tripe.

Just a thought.

[edit on 2/4/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]

Originally posted by thirddensity
Just curious, who is "our"?

I'm just trying to figure out where you stand.

For the first 180 pages or so of this thread, you seemed to be Pro Bill Ryan. But lately is seems your posts have begun to subtley turn against him. I'm really curious why the change of direction.

I look forward to your intel and who the rest of your team is.

[edit on 4-2-2006 by thirddensity]

Actually, my son and I are doing this research together. He is quite good at digging into things and we work quite well together!

I suppose it's safe to say that it took me 180 pages to come to the conclusion that I was being manipulated by all of this. Nothing personal against Bill, in fact, I think he's a genuinely nice person! I also think he has an underlying applied philosophy and certain mental training that is serving those who are controlling Serpo quite well.

I hope this has answered your questions!

Always,
Shawnna

Originally posted by dogberts not
6. Then there are the multiple smilie philosophy-101 posts. Most of those sit somewhere between nausea and absolute uselessness.

Originally posted by NextLevel
because I think you're blowing more hot air (respectfully)

Ouch. I think I will go and cry now. Just kidding.

But, I wonder where your point is in the above? Are my posts useless and do I attempt to cram a philosophical viewpoint down the open throat of everyone? Perhaps you should be avoiding threads like this that require an out-of-the-box approach to science, religion and existence. Wait, oh yeah, that's called philosophy.

NOTE TO READERS: I have to admit, right before the left bracket on this line, just above it, I really *really* wanted to post a smilie, but I realized I would only cause others to resent me even more. Although I don't really care deeply about what others view of my offerings, only that some would find them useful, I will refrain from further smilies. Perhaps they distort the true attempt at my posts and shade them in a less professional color. Profuse apologies to all.]

But I believe, in the end, that if the existence of life outside our own planet is validated, either through Serpo, or if through another course of investigation, what will the ultimate result be? Will not everyone need to re-evaluate their position on God, creation and our existence (TM) in general?

Perhaps *you* may not. I know I will, and perhaps others will. Embracing philosophical discussions allows us to suspend scientific and other principle beliefs momentarily while we evalute the 'What If's' surrounding Serpo, et al.

Cheers!

[edit on 4-2-2006 by NextLevel]

On a personal note, no matter how this serpo thing plays out, hoax or not, Bill Ryan deserves the Way Above vote for the month.

He has not only been intrumental in creating a giant thread, but despite all the flack we give him he is unfailingly pleasant.

So click on Bill and vote for him as a form of appreciation for making the net, and ATS more interesting!

Originally posted by Netchicken
On a personal note, no matter how this serpo thing plays out, hoax or not, Bill Ryan deserves the Way Above vote for the month.

I actually second this, and hope at least one person gives him a vote for me, as staff cannot do so.



[edit on 4-2-2006 by ADVISOR]

Very much agreed. Since I never use my Way Above's this one's from ADVISOR to Bill.

You have voted Bill Ryan for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Originally posted by Netchicken

...Bill Ryan deserves the Way Above vote for the month.

He has not only been intrumental in creating a giant thread...and ATS more interesting!

Hi Chicken,

you're a comedian; one day you're advertising the guy's mobile number all over ATS and the next you're giving him the WATS! What's that all about?

Come on Chicken you've been a non-supporter of SERPO from the outset, then you link Bill's number to the audience at ATS, and then you give the guy WATS! What are you all about? Are you a Reptilian in disguise? Come on you can tell us!!

Regards

J

Originally posted by NextLevel
But I believe, in the end, that if the existence of life outside our own planet is validated, either through Serpo, or if through another course of investigation, what will the ultimate result be?

IMHO]

The ultimate result will be a civil chaos contained by a prepared set of governments, ready with ample troops, non-lethal gadgetry and euphemistically named 'containment centers' for the unruly minority. The rest will cower in their homes clutching icons and muttering prayers to whatever Gods they've convinced themselves of. It will a difficult pill to swallow...so much uncertainty about the future will bring out the very worst in people. Perhaps the deniable method of slow disclosure which Serpo seems to represent is the only way to go, preparing those of us who frequent sites like ATS first, as a means of gaining a measure of response from the most accepting.

Ultimately, we would all be looking at each other with a new understanding...that the things which once seperated us are no longer of consequence. Racial differences and skin colour would be quickly designated to the background in the realization of an alien presence. Muslims, Buddhists, Christians, Jews and all other religions would be scrambling to somehow encompass this revelation within their doctrines, and, I doubt it would be an easy task, especially if the alien race had their own unified dogma. We would certainly seem like a planet rampant with disunity, ready to go to war over dogmas, compared to an alien species which was in total agreement.

Governments, even superpowers, would likely be confronted with an alen race vastly superior in technologiy, blocking their access to age old enemies which had sustained them as a source of profiteering and population control. Our old enemies would fade away like chaff in a gale.

Trembling humanity, fearful for their very existance, would slowly come out of hiding as they tentatively begin to realize that there is nothing but the hope that they should not be destroyed.
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What other way is there for disclosure, but the very system we see before us in the case of Serpo? Would it not make sense to dribble it into us, as if we were patients? Remember Orwells War of the Worlds...no, not the movie...the radio show. People freaked out.
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