Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Originally posted by RUFFREADY

I called an 81 year old X Marine that worked in the pentagon during the time of the Serpo tale. I called just a couple of days ago..after following this story from the beginning..I put it off ..but thought ..what the hay!..Anyway I asked him (he's 81 now) if you'd ever heard of a name or mention of SERPO ..a project or anything that mentioned that name ( he had the highest clearance) ..there was dead air for a long time ...then he said , there are some things I can't talk about

Hi, Ruff –

Welcome to the thread!

I was fascinated by this little snippet. Is there anything more at all you can say about this?

Best, Bill

Originally posted by Netchicken
OK I have remained silent for a while over this...

Indeed it looks like Bill is on global, so that no one can read his posts.

Why?

Check out what you get when you type Serpo + hoax into google....

Look at the first post on godlikeproductions.

Now draw some conclusions as to what is happening in the background...

SPRINGER AND SKEPTIC OVERLORD –

I'm afraid it seems your private e-mail correspondence with me re the DoD server false alarm is still on the thread cited above by Netchicken. This needs to be handled. Our friend Vortogon has clearly not cleaned up all his mischief.

It would be helpful to this thread (and to clear up Netchicken's misunderstanding) if you could clarify that this is in no way, shape or form evidence of any hoax. I do appreciate that.

I also appreciate the rapid and effective handling of the earlier chaotic incident, which I completely missed as I've been out all day!

Best to you both – Bill

Hi Bill...

The site, "GodLikeProductions.com" is a chaotic morass with no moderation for all practical purposes.

I've sent near-daily complaints about their public display of obviously private emails, with no response or results.

We'll have to try an alternate track somehow.

Originally posted by Majic
Tales Of Ribaldry

Netchicken, thanks for the LINK

It seems there is more to this tawdry tale than meets the eye.

Just in case the Mods missed this one also. Would add to the confusion if missed. Sorry for this one-liner, but its necessary. Wait, it is not a one-liner anymore.

[edit on 3-2-2006 by Unplugged]

Postal Inspector

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
It would be helpful to this thread (and to clear up Netchicken's misunderstanding) if you could clarify that this is in no way, shape or form evidence of any hoax. I do appreciate that.

I don't think you need to worry about that.

If anything, this "leak" suggests some intriguing possibilities, but nothing from your email exchanges with Springer points either to or away from a hoax, as far as I can tell.

Then again, maybe I missed something.

That said, I would sure like to know how that email exchange made it onto GLP in the first place.

Who, besides yourself and the ATS staff members involved, had access to it?

Hey I am not interested in the email address confidentiality part

Whats the story on Bills emails being read by the DoD? Thats the question I was pointing to...

BTW thanks Bill for such a pleasant post about it

Originally posted by alien hunter
I am new here so i don't know anything about forum politics. However it looks like ADVISOR has been set up as some kind of patsty.

Hi, alien hunter –

ADVISOR, I presume, has now been banned as a moderator.

I am guessing that Bill Ryan is suspended because of the post by Martin Poulter on the BBC board. Quite rightly too in my view.

I've never heard of Martin Poulter and I don't know anything about this.

I read a post about this a couple of pages back ten minutes ago and it said something about a hoax by some Bristol University students who said they had set the whole thing up with me.

I find it interesting that someone could instantly believe a claim like that and yet find a way to disregard everything that I've explained, occasionally with superhuman patience, on this thread...!

Best, Bill

I find it interesting that someone could instantly believe a claim like that and yet find a way to disregard everything that I've explained, occasionally with superhuman patience, on this thread...!

Best, Bill

america! we shoot and find the wmds later!

but, anyway good to see you posting, I know how tripe some of the conversation can get on here. but, all in all..its still entertaining, no?

Bill, do you think anon lurks here? and if so...what could he be waiting for?

I've tried to follow this thread as best I could, It's spreading like kudzu. What I wish someone who has been able to stick with it from the beginning would do is this. List the pro and con:

Project serpo is true because: (replies here)

Project serpo is a hoax: (Replies here)

Lets put this monster on a scale and weigh it. If there is any weight to the story it will come forth. If it is hollow and empty then let that shine forth as well.

This horse has been ridden to death. We need to either bury it or eat it.

Where do you weigh in on the subject?

Wupy

Bill Ryan,

What are you waiting for on this thread?

What has (tested you )most on the basis of this thread?

What has 'subjected' this post to cruel intentions?


I respect your answers and applaud your patience Bill, do you have other people that write for you?The reason why I ask is the amount of replys would subject you to little sleep and or supersonic like typing skills.Our Ats members will write replys untill no more possibilities are present which could be awhile.I am very excited and thrilled to be a part of this thread and once again thank you for your patience.

Originally posted by mrwupy

This horse has been ridden to death. We need to either bury it or eat it.

Says who? You?
Many of us that have been with this thread since the begining are still sitting o the fence with a skeptical yet open mind. There are many intriguing aspects to the story which are spread throughout this thread. There are consistencies and inconcistencies, and there is more material coming in fairly frequently. This is entertaining at the least!

BTW, how DID those private E-mails end up in that chaotic-free-for-all of a "forum"?

[edit on 3-2-2006 by Unplugged]

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Hi Bill...

The site, "GodLikeProductions.com" is a chaotic morass with no moderation for all practical purposes.

I've sent near-daily complaints about their public display of obviously private emails, with no response or results.

We'll have to try an alternate track somehow.

Hi, SkepticOverlord (Hi, Springer) –

Many thanks – I do know how difficult it is to get stuff like this removed.

Would it be possible for you to yourself clarify in a moderator post what that DoD server false alarm was all about, and how come the private correspondence is now in many other forums on the internet? (For new members, this was not ATS's doing.)

This, as I write, is still being picked up and repeated by some new members who (understandably, because of the length of the thread) have not been able to find the discussion where all this was laid to rest quite a while back.

Best to both, Bill

Originally posted by menguard

Bill Ryan,

What are you waiting for on this thread?

What has (tested you )most on the basis of this thread?

What has 'subjected' this post to cruel intentions?

I respect your answers and applaud your patience Bill, do you have other people that write for you?The reason why I ask is the amount of replys would subject you to little sleep and or supersonic like typing skills.Our Ats members will write replys untill no more possibilities are present which could be awhile.I am very excited and thrilled to be a part of this thread and once again thank you for your patience.

Hi, menguard –

Wow – I really did have to read this one twice. Thank you.

In reverse order

No, I write my own posts.

Yes, I have little sleep. (It's now 5.15 a.m.)

I'm aware the replies will continue for a while!!

What am I waiting for on this thread?
Good question... As I mentioned a short while ago, when a colleague suggested this might continue for one or two years, my reaction was one of horror. I was hoping it might all be over by March! I guess, like everyone else, I'm waiting for some kind of conclusion (any conclusion will do, as long as it's the truth!). I really had not thought through, back in November, what a marathon this might be.

What has tested you most on the basis of this thread?
The antagonism and personal attacks. I was taken aback and hadn't expected that.

What has 'subjected' this post to cruel intentions?
If I understand the question right, there appear to have been some people on the thread – some of whom have been banned – whose intentions were to discredit the story (or me) come what may... sometimes apparently ignoring facts, logic, or recent clarifications. This has sometimes been hard for me to understand.

Best, Bill

Originally posted by mrwupy
What I wish someone who has been able to stick with it from the beginning would do is this. List the pro and con:

Project serpo is true because: (replies here)

Project serpo is a hoax: (Replies here)

Wupy

Mr Wupy:

Project Serpo: Evidences For

Project Serpo Issues: Proven Factual Problems

Have a look.

Everyone else should, too. We need all the info we can get for these threads so they are easily accessible for all people to look at the pros and cons of the Serpo story.

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
Would it be possible for you to yourself clarify in a moderator post what that DoD server false alarm was all about,

Sure.

It fooled many network experts, including someone I consulted who has never failed me before!

This number, 7.2.069.1, appeared in the email header data of Bill's emails, in-sequence right after his local ISP's IP information. It appeared as though his emails were hitting that IP before being routed in the US.

Research on that IP lead to a DoD computer center in Ohio long reported to be a major data center for Echelon. Naturally, we were alarmed.

In hind-sight, I should have immediately noticed that "7.2.069.1" is not proper IP syntax (but I don't feel too bad as at least two experts with better networking qualifications than myself made the same mistake). Upon further review, it's the version number of the email gateway software at Bill's ISP.

In good faith, because rumors were flying left, right, sideways, and backwards, Bill forwarded our email exchange researching the problem to Victor, who then sent it to his own email list to calm understandable concerns.

However, at least one member of the list twisted the events and distributed the entire private email exchange to a few discussion boards. One board as removed it, and we're trying to get the owner of GodLikeProductions to respond.

"""Hi, Ruff –

Welcome to the thread!

I was fascinated by this little snippet. Is there anything more at all you can say about this?

Best, Bill"""

Hey Bill

I've followed this story from the start. My 81 year old Marine, freind... I've known since he picked me up and put me on his shoulders ( when I was just 4) on the flight deck of the USS Intrepid...I thought for a long while ...if I should ask him about serpo....he work in the most top secret basements of the government ( in his last years ..the Navy annex..the pentagon , he handled all codes and distributions and such (as we talked one new years eve in 1980...UFO's..amelia earhart ...fast walkers...spy craft..he mention things that I thought were funny..I wish I would have known what I know now!!)
I ( at age 17) had a creature wake me up "that looked like a red sprikley demon with a grin!!? and walk up to me with claw like hands and ZAP ME!!

WHEN i WOKE UP ( my mom was just in the house coming home with groceries, I ran down stairs and said...I just had an Alien freeze me !! ) of course that is the SHORT story...it was much more than that ( the Grand Canyon ..the deer...) You know,,whats so crazy about all this stuff...is that its all crazy!!

I'll try to give more info that can help , if I can ,,but , I do believe that this is a real story ......told in a different way...

Ruff

I hate to call myself an expert in the internet and email, but let's just say I can probably qualify as one.

Intercepting email is both hard, and easy. Allow me to explain.

The Hard Part:

SMTP messages are broken into packets that traverse the global IP space. These packets could, in theory, take many differing routes to get to the same endpoint (destination mail server and someone's in box). That being said, its MORE difficult to catch the packets in-transit than it is to...

The Easy Part:

Black Shadow Figure: "Hi. Is this your daughter?"

Lowly datacenter worker: "Yeah! Hey, what the -- "

Black Shadow Figure: "You're good, man, you're good. Cool down. No harm will come to her at all, EVER, unless you happen to notice the server my associate is plugging into that switch in that cage over there. Yeah, that one. You, uh, don't notice that, now do you?"

Lowly datacenter worker: "What server."


That's the easy part, but probably happens in less-than-dramatic ways. In any event, the PATH is more difficult to intercept while the destination AND source are easiest to snoop.

Put another way -- if I wanted to screen Bill Ryan's email (or anyone else, for that matter), I'd do it at the receiving server (via an installed process cc'ing me or by sniffing a port on the same switch the destination mail server is on). The other, easy way?

Bill -- received any emails from Random people that your spam filter (and hell, to be honest, the spam filter could have kicked it in as well) didn't catch? Probably from someone innocent enough, but with no real substance?

Who says there wasn't an expertly crafted insertion of code onto his system? Look at it this way, the recent Windows metafile exploit was being trafficked by Russian teens to other hacking and botnet groups long before it was actually found in the wild. That's on Today's Google News. And, uh, guess what pool of people the NSA and DIA and other TLA's hire their top coders from?

Short of local bot insertion (kids play), destination sniffing (easy stuff) there's always the traditional wire-tap (modems) and the super elite and incredibly brand new camera mounted in the smoke detector.

I mean CMON PEOPLE -- let's just really assume that his emails ARE being logged if the Serpo deal is as real as we all really hope it is. The difficult part is then modified the mail en route to do weird and bizarre things (not really so difficult).

Any programmers or technerds wanna back me up (or argue) re: this?

Originally posted by RUFFREADY

I ( at age 17) had a creature wake me up "that looked like a red sprikley demon with a grin!!? and walk up to me with claw like hands and ZAP ME!!

WHEN i WOKE UP ( my mom was just in the house coming home with groceries, I ran down stairs and said...I just had an Alien freeze me !! ) of course that is the SHORT story..

You might want to run the detailed version of your story by the good folks at the Paranormal Studies Forum. Sounds like a case of a demonic entity, or something of that sort.

Is your 81 year old grandfather in good health currently? You might want to ask him about the Serpo subject when his health begins to worsen... He might spill some beans if he feels he doesnt have much time left. Nothing to lose.

[edit on 3-2-2006 by Unplugged]

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
In hind-sight, I should have immediately noticed that "7.2.069.1" is not proper IP syntax (but I don't feel too bad as at least two experts with better networking qualifications than myself made the same mistake). Upon further review, it's the version number of the email gateway software at Bill's ISP.

Actually ( ducks slap ) it's perfectly acceptable. In fact software padding can account for zero's in any IP octet (there are four, A, B, C and D octets). That being said, I could write 007.002.069.001 and that would still be acceptable as long as the translation from decimal to binary eliminated padding zeros or pad-z's as programmers call them.

Strange also, is that I looked up 7.2.69.1 and found it to be reserved by IANA -- the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority. Meaning, if you traced it to DISA, DIA, DOD, etc -- that would have to mean you have a better WHOIS source than I do. And, uh, I have some pretty decent ones outside of the norm.

EDIT

Oh, and one last thing: forging email headers is easier than pressing a power button on your Xbox. I mean (and no insult here) crafting headers to make an email appear to take a different route than originally planned or to represent really ANYTHING you want? That's what spammers have been doing for the past 7 years and I mean to tell you it's mid-level knowledge for most hackers and wannabe's can do it in under a day with the right package for their system.

That being said, I think I'll shut up now.

[edit on 3-2-2006 by NextLevel]

“the team found a very long and large creature that appeared to be a snake. This creature was "deadly," as explained by the Ebens. The head of the creature was large and contained almost human-like eyes.”

With 200 plus pages of threads, I am sure somebody mentioned this before, but since we’re linking to Serpo related info, I thought about using the BBC search link to search Europe for Serpo links. Serpo, serpent, that’s a little too obvious, but maybe not.

Hmmm. (Bill, for your sake I hope to heaven you have not been duped by a disinfo campaign). We’ve had a rough day being temporarily denied access to your posts. And to all others, I am a hardcore UFO believer, just not in this case. Just doing my best here to ferret out little bits of weights for the scale.

My fav: Serpo, the snake with human eyes? I bet he even talks. Only in UK though.
www.internationalhero.co.uk...

en.wikipedia.org... Jungle Action Atlas Comics with Serpo the giant Snake as an antagonist character. (Ref Google Search Jungle Boy and Serpo the Snake)

www.geocities.com... More Action Comics from Atlas (Ref Google Search Jungle Boy and Serpo the Snake)

Being even in Pokeman lore: www.pokemasters.net... It seems Serpo the Snake is the link! (Ref Google search: Jungle Boy)

www.serpo.nl... A reptile park in Delft NL.

www.sos.serpo.nl... snake cartoon at the bottom of the page (same Reptile Park).

I hope the mods don’t get upset about this—just a tie in of Serpo to serpent.

I seem to remember that as a boy one of those animated jungle boy movies had a talking snake, probably from the 1968 version. He is also in the Jungle Action Comic Book Series from the fifties. Serpo was a bad guy who would eat you, kinda like those mean ole disinfo people??