Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Hey all...I've been away for a while and coming back I find this quite popular thread. Can anyone give me a summary of the content without me having to go back thru the past 176 pages?

Thanks!

Originally posted by mpeake
Hey all...I've been away for a while and coming back I find this quite popular thread. Can anyone give me a summary of the content without me having to go back thru the past 176 pages?

Thanks!

The opening post of this thread contains a summary through page 70 something.

It's funny, i've been saying all along that the latest post by anon are not anon's at all what so ever and all my statements are being ignored, but when someone else mentions it, it's not? wtf people...

Not that it matters, it still seems likely project SERPO is a hoax considdering the always absent proof or hard evidence AKA pictures...

Oh hell, what do I know, I'm back on the fence again....

Originally posted by Centrist
And why has everyone been ignoring the interesting analysis that Bill posted today? I would think that Bill's source may have quite a bit more experience studying the logs of military teams sent on stressful missions than our collective... could these be authentic journal entries? If that idea is so ridiculous, why would this person make such an absurd statement? Why even get involved at all?

Are we dismissing these last two statements too quickly? Are we all so fearful that what we've learned is true that we MUST dismiss it in order to retain our sense of balance in the universe (and by balance, I truly mean superiority).

The reason these posts have been dismissed, is because there is no proof of the validity of these statements. As far as we know he could have made them up. Its like me walking in and claiming my dad is a Ebe's lovechild, would you believe that? ... probably not.....so why would Bills statement be taken as Gospel?

Originally posted by Centrist

And why has everyone been ignoring the interesting analysis that Bill posted today? I would think that Bill's source may have quite a bit more experience studying the logs of military teams sent on stressful missions than our collective... could these be authentic journal entries? If that idea is so ridiculous, why would this person make such an absurd statement? Why even get involved at all?

It seemed to back up the notion that the logs are authentic and I don't think many want to go that route. The push here lately has been to declare hoax. I'm still firmly on the fence on this and not even a smidgeon bored with it. I look forward to posts from Bill Ryan many times a day and, I bet I'm responsible for a good part of the nearly 230,000 hits. The implications of 80% truth are phenomenal.

A few are still willing to keep going on this, but the force is behind the opposite. That's unfortunate, really, because it will cause those who are still interested to start looking to serpo.org for answers and that's like watching paint dry. At least here, there is an active and lively discussion.

As to those who want this closed down...why not spend the time within the rich grounds of 2 million other pages at ATS and let the few who are interested in hearing developments on this thread do so without having to put up with post yelling for it to be shut down?

. that's my $0.0187 worth

Originally posted by Centrist
And why has everyone been ignoring the interesting analysis that Bill posted today? I would think that Bill's source may have quite a bit more experience studying the logs of military teams sent on stressful missions than our collective... could these be authentic journal entries? If that idea is so ridiculous, why would this person make such an absurd statement? Why even get involved at all?

I will toot my own horn here and say that I hypothesized that angle here:

www.abovetopsecret.com... (the gist of this is that the writing style of the commander's logs read like someone under a hell of a lot of stress due to the "space sickness" and that he's doing the best he can with a foggy mind. Secondly, that there should be no expectation that the commander - or any other team member should have professional-level writing and editing expertise.)

Originally posted by Centrist
Why was there such an immense sense of what to me appeared to be jubilation and relief when this was all proclaimed a big hoax yesterday?

Maybe we need to look inward to find out why disclosure has yet to happen. If the main reason why disclosure hasn't happened yet is because the government is fearful of the mass hysteria and panic that would ensure... can ANYONE read through this thread and tell me that based on the immediate, knee-jerk reaction of the majority of posters following new releases from anon that this supposed government "story" isn't borne out to the "T" by the reaction of the people on this forum?

Is the information true? I doubt it, but I'll happily be proven wrong.

Is the concept that people couldn't handle the truth wrong? Doesn't look that way to me.

Centrist, interesting points *but* I think the "sense of relief" after the mayhem with Chapman's claim was more related to having a "sense of closure" regarding this story. This is the biggest/hottest story in UFOlogy circles. All of us are investing our thoughts, emotions, egos, time, etc. into trying to figure this thing out. It's unsettling to put your faith in being open to new experiences and information. We humans, IMO are insecure creatures with various sized egos that we don't like having injured. Putting any faith/stock in any unprovable UFO story is the easiest way to risk your ego to societal ridicule.

Do I want the Serpo story to be true? It depends. I want *truthful disclosure* whatever it may be. I'm a fan of sci-fi, astronomy, archeology, history and would jump at the chance to get to find out what's really out beyond Earth and where we fit in the Universe. I'm eager to see where we're headed and hopeful that we can live up to our potential.

Let's say the Ebens (or whomever) land on the White House lawn - will that give us a sense of closure? It'll close one door (the question as to aliens truly existing being made public). But a billion new doors will then open - the first being: "What now? Where do we go from here?" Hopefully (IMO) our Acclimation period to Disclosure will soon end and we can move on to bigger and better things for our planet.

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Read This to get the info.

Centrist,

That quote from Bill is interesting, although slightly redundant. We have had a poster come in already and give his experience with military journals that corraberates with Bill's quote.

I am willing to assume the journals are written as authentically (possibly tailored that way) military at this point. I have some experience with journal writing and diaries from different works of both fiction and nonfiction. They vary widely from author to author.

The deaths are a real sticking point for me, however. This is something that is mentioned throughout Anonymous's postings, from the first contribution to the last. There is a lot of data to look at and it's pretty easy to pick apart that the journals and Anon's postings directly oppose each other. I am looking for an explaination for this. The one that was presented did not convince me.

However, I can possibly believe that since the info regarding the hybrids was to not be disclosed, Anon may have substituted the second death for the first in his first post. Possibly. It can be reasoned that Anon thought by mentioning that, 'the second death' would have caused unwanted attention to the first death which at the time he did not want to reveal (according to Bill).

Also, from my post a few posts back, whatever became of the 100 pages that were to be released? The post that stated this on Serpo.org was put up over two months ago. What is the update as far as this is concerned?

Originally posted by masqua

Originally posted by Bill Ryan

Years ago the psychologist Leon Festinger of "cognitive dissonance" fame, was asked to write scenarios as to how various segments of the population would respond to news of ET contact. It's all covered in the book by Bob Emenneger, "UFOs, Past, Present and Future." Much space must be left for people to disbelieve if they can't handle it.

Bill...this post has me confused a bit. Initially, you seem to be responding to another post, but I can't figure out whose it was. Secondly, If you have time, could you comment on why, exactly, you feel "space must be left for people to disbelieve if they can't handle it"?

I personally feel that this is a critical facet of the Serpo story and that it may indeed have far-reaching ramifications to 'disclosure'.

Hi, masqua –

I think you missed the first half of my post. Before that I'd said:

From someone on Victor's list, and (in my opinion) a brilliant insight. The last sentence really made me sit up and realize more about what may be happening here. It also shows that we may not get the "conclusive hard proof" we all want... it may be a more subtle, gradual process (perhaps already started):

The person who sent me this was essentially saying that the USG psychologists may have recommended that rather than upset quite a few people with the hammerhead of undeniable proof (while delighting the rest of us!), it would be easier on the population as a whole to offer something more nebulous and open to personal interpretation.

This would be so that those who really HAD to disbelieve it (because, e.g., otherwise their religious faith might be lost) could deny it and not have to deal with it unless it was in their own time and in their own way.

I think this might be a hugely important point to debate. Question for all:

If you were personally in charge of disclosure, how would you do it without destabilizing tens if not hundreds of millions of people – and also the world's economy?

Best, Bill

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
The person who sent me this was essentially saying that the USG psychologists may have recommended that rather than upset quite a few people with the hammerhead of undeniable proof (while delighting the rest of us!), it would be easier on the population as a whole to offer something more nebulous and open to personal interpretation.

This would be so that those who really HAD to disbelieve it (because, e.g., otherwise their religious faith might be lost) could deny it and not have to deal with it unless it was in their own time and in their own way.

I think this might be a hugely important point to debate. Question for all:

If you were personally in charge of disclosure, how would you do it without destabilizing tens if not hundreds of millions of people – and also the world's economy?

Best, Bill

No offense Mr Ryan, this not a shot at the messenger but really the message... which hole or cave do these USG psychologists live in???? Isn't that exactly what the UFO community and society have been doing for decades now???? They are quite out of touch with reality if they are only now thinking about encouraging debate, debate has been ongoing for years and using that as an excuse for not releasing documents or pictures that can prove to at least "some" of us that this is all real, is very lame in my opinion.


[edit on 1-31-2006 by worldwatcher]

[quote/]If you were personally in charge of disclosure, how would you do it without destabilizing tens if not hundreds of millions of people – and also the world's economy?

Best, Bill

Bill,

That's a topic for a new thread. This thread is about the evidence of serpo
itself. Any issues of disclosure be it opinions or debate requires a new topic.

Thanks/

[edit on 31-1-2006 by garyo1954]

cyniscism is so so abundant in the ufology scene.....


anyway. I'd lets the world know about aliens...then I'd take the first train to zeti reiticuli and let everyone else handle it.

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
If you were personally in charge of disclosure, how would you do it without destabilizing tens if not hundreds of millions of people – and also the world's economy?

I would think this would require a generational plan. Over the course of 30-50 years (2 generations), you slowly introduce new ideas and technologies and allow them to seed and take root. Once the veil of stigma has been lifted, I would think mankind would be more open to accept (and adapt to) large-scale ideological shifts.

And I would think the gradual introduction of new technologies over several decades would allow the powers that be to (somewhat) mitigate the economic impact.

Of course, I am neither an economist nor a sociologist, and my oversimplified idealistic thoughts are biased, as I would like to see that the Serpo saga is in fact part of a forthcoming Disclosure effort. In truth, I sincerely doubt the powers that be were "long-sighted" enough to actually construct and execute a plan over such a long timeframe.

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
I think this might be a hugely important point to debate. Question for all:

If you were personally in charge of disclosure, how would you do it without destabilizing tens if not hundreds of millions of people – and also the world's economy?

Best, Bill

Disclosure would not destabilize society. This is the governments biggest gaff in my opinion, if there is a cover-up going on.

Maybe this would have been the case in the fifties when these ideas were brand new, but this is such old news that it wouldn't matter at all if it were released.

I represent a fairly sizable demographic in the west. Although not a baby-boomer, I am in the 20-30 age range, decently educated, well-grounded and by all accounts 'normal'.

Since you are an expert in 'groups' you should be able to deduce that my friends are mostly the exact same makeup of myself. We will not be affected in any way by the release of this information.

Well, that is not entirely true. We'll be mildly interested. Disclosure has become and will remain, an oddity. Riots will not happen, societal upheaval will not happen. Religion will not be destroyed.

These are all conjecture and in my opinion hugely incorrect. We will still want to watch couture/liddel 3, we will still complain that the new Simpsons isn't as funny as the old Simpsons. The mainstream doesn't care. The mainstream is too busy keeping up with the Jones's to let disclosure get in the way of collecting more 'stuff' than their neighbours.

I'm not attacking anyone here, except the government. It is just so immature of the powers that be to fear these kinds of consequences.

Originally posted by Bill Ryan
If you were personally in charge of disclosure, how would you do it without destabilizing tens if not hundreds of millions of people – and also the world's economy?

In the current climate of fear, seeing how people react to the threat and terrorists, Bird Flu and the like, I seriously doubt the ability of the world population at large to handle the fear of the unknown that full disclosure would provide. If disclosure is happening, then it is happening in degrees, using outlets such as these forums.

20 years ago, mention a UFO or an alien and you were laughed out of the room. Possibly even given a ride with the men in white coats to a nice rubber room somewhere. However, as a society we have become more conditioned to the idea of extra-terrestrial beings being out there.

At the moment the media seems to be doing it's best to inject fear into every aspect of our lives, so for something as mind-blowing as full disclosure to come out now, could be disastorous for the world community at large, and the advancement of mankind in general.

Add to that the spate of "evil" alien TV shows and movies, whether they are following a trend, feeding off a climate of fear, or just muddying the waters, they are not exactly preparing the way for full disclosure to happen successfully.

So to answer your question, if I was personally in charge of disclosure, how would I do it? It would probably look something like Serpo.

Originally posted by picklewalsh

The reason these posts have been dismissed, is because there is no proof of the validity of these statements. As far as we know he could have made them up. Its like me walking in and claiming my dad is a Ebe's lovechild, would you believe that? ... probably not.....so why would Bills statement be taken as Gospel?

Hi Pickle,


Can I be first to see the pictures? Is that why you're called Pickle??


Seriously, you have a very valid point , you are being asked to believe that we are not alone in this Universe, that there may be Aliens or Hybrids among us and that Humans have been to a planet 40 lightyears away. No wonder you are having trouble accepting the SERPO story.

We know that you and many others will only begin to believe when we are given tangible evidence to back up this story; but believe it or not the other side of the fence has the exact same hunger for proof.

I can live with being right or wrong and am quite philosophical as to the likelihood that this is a hoax, it wont affect my machismo and I will not beat myself up about being hoaxed. We go into this with our eyes open, and if anyone can claim to be 100% sure that SERPO is bona fide then I believe they've been reading from a different script from the rest of us.

We all want full disclosure on this and many other alleged incidents that have taken place over many years. This world is changing rapidly and I for one feel there is tangible evidence that we are on the cusp of something truly remarkable.

Global warming, increased earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunami, the Middle East crisis, nuclear arms crisis, political correctness, build up of public servants, pensions crisis and the unabashed attack on Christianity are just some of the events that have been increasing in intensity in the past few years. Something is happening that our political leaders know about and are undoubtedly preparing for.

This is why I find the SERPO story fascinating, I firmly believe that it's either spin to deflect from other events or there's fact entwined with the fiction. Maybe Mr Bush has had enough of us pointing the finger over 9/11 and has ordered SERPO to be let out the bag; throw the dog a bone kinda thing.

Any Physicians or Psychiatrists out there, don't worry I've a certificate to prove sanity!

Just my take on things.

Best wishes

J


EDIT; Dictionary malfunction! Honest!

[edit on 31/1/06 by gingerlad]

(okay, here is something both on topic and perhaps a nice diversion for people, on top of that, there's visual aides and the math is really easy… take a break)

A while back, before the weirdness, after Anons post #12, there was a brief discussion about Sixteen pallets holding all the Teams gear…

Then things got weird and the matter got dropped.

I totally expect this to be revised (as the 9000 lbs of gear was revised to 90,500lbs of gear) to a higher number, we shall see.

For those of you who know me, you may recall that I went off on the gear issue a long time ago. After explaining the who what where when and whys I believe the consensus was I actually knew what I was talking about and that I could possibly be considered an expert on shipping things to and from remote locations.

For those of you who don’t know me, take the time to read back or visit torbtown.com for a better understanding of where I’m coming from.

So, way back, somebody did the math: 90,500 / 16 = 5656.25 lbs per pallet.

They felt that that weight on a pallet was a little extreme.

A little tiny bit of research was done by people, some special types of pallets were talked about, some fancy military things and UPS things and what nots.

Also briefly discussed was what types of special equipment would be needed to move said heavily loaded pallet.

I was about to reply to alla that when the weirdness broke loose…

Now here we are, things are a little bit calmer, and I would very much like to address that issue because:

a) it’s something I have a lot of data on

b) it’s Serpo related, based upon Anons post, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Bill, Vic, Capman, L.Ron, Tom, Dick, Harry, or the horse they rode in on.

A standard pallet is 40 inches by 48 inches by 5 inches and has been those dimensions for over 100 years now.

Here is a nice little set of pictures of some CHEP boards, along with some very brief yet very informative descriptions … (I both love and hate CHEP, you’ll see why later on)

www.polarinertia.com...

Now then, the following link will take you to my website and show you a picture of a friend of mine driving a forklift and giving me the finger. If you are offended by the image of a man sticking his middle finger up in the air then PLEASE don’t click on this link.

www.torbtown.com...

(if you chose not to click on that there will be other links below that will illustrate what I’m about to talk about, but this one happens to be the best picture I have of the pallets I’ve used the most)

If you Did click on that link, then you may have noticed that behind the phantom forker was a wall of pallets… if you were Very Observant you may have noticed that where a bit different than CHEP boards.

The CHEP boards used a four inch by four inch support beams, while the ones we used only have two inch by four inch support beams.

This is why I both love and hate CHEP boards. They are a LOT stronger. They also are a LOT heavier. Try hand stacking CHEP boards all day long, they weigh 90 lbs dry. They weigh a lot more wet. I worked in a wet place. Hence I hate CHEP boards.

The boards we used weighed 45 lbs dry.

Okay, now check out this series of pictures:

Here, my charming assistant, the incredibly alcoholic Mr. Stitts, is demonstrating the use of the slip sheet puller. The box he is playing with holds a little over 1000 lbs of frozen salmon.

www.torbtown.com...

Now check this one out.

www.torbtown.com...

Mr. Stitts has taken the tote of seafood away. Notice the pallet left behind. The bottom tote is sitting on a similar pallet. You may have trouble reading the green tote tag, but I can tell you from years of experience that that tote tag says Net Weight 1131 Gross Weight 1250. The entire weight (gross) of that tote is 1250 lbs. The tote that was sitting on top of that one had a similar weight.

Both totes where sitting on one pallet with a total gross weight on that one pallet equaling 2500 lbs.

I do not have a picture of Holding Five, but Holding Five is one of the freezers I stored those totes in when I wasn’t shipping them. In Holding Five I could stack those totes four tall. In other words, four of those totes plus three other pallets were ALL sitting on ONE pallet.

There’s your 5000+ lbs on one rather standard, rather well used pallet board. Nothing fancy, special, or magical about it.

If Holding Five had been taller, I could have stacked the totes even higher.

You saw the slip sheet puller. Here is the other forklift we used the most. It is an electric forklift, made by Caterpillar, in 1965. For those of you notice those sorts of things, tools made by Caterpillar have the word CAT in big letters on the side somewhere. Over the years someone took a black felt tip pen and changed the C to an O. The CAT became the OAT. I did not like OAT, so I took a pen and added a G. Now we had The Goat. As time went by it became the Cosmic Stealth Space Goat. Don’t let all the graffiti fool you, that is a very standard, very OLD, very mundane electric CAT.

www.torbtown.com...

Because the thing was so old by the time I got to it, I could barely get it to lift 3000 lbs, but the rusted plaque on it said it’s original lift capacity was 5000 lbs.

Again, nothing fancy, nothing special or secret or military. A standard over the counter forklift.

So far so good, no big deal, everything is just fine and dandy, right?

ya, well, not really.
Here notice the six foot all hairy ape bozoboy squatting next to some totes in the freezer:

www.torbtown.com...

This is to help put things into perspective. Notice the totes (1000 to 1300 lbs gross weight) Notice the pallet. Notice the size of the bozoboy relative to the boxes.

Here are some forty foot long refrigerated cargo containers (semi vans)

www.torbtown.com...

Notice the two people walking on the ground in front of the vans. The Tall Guy is my old boss, Al. He is six feet seven inches tall. The person with the red hat walking next to him was a QC chick, she was about five feet six inches tall.

36 Totes fit into a forty foot van. An average gross weight for one van was 42,000 lbs. Maximum gross weight for most forty foot refer vans was between 55,000 and 70,000 lbs, depending upon the manufacturer.

I could NOT max out a van with fish or crab. There simply is not enough Room inside a van to fill it with enough fish to exceed it’s maximum weight limit.

I could ALMOST max out a low end van (55,000 lbs) with Sujiko (Caviar) An eleven pound block of Sujiko takes up the same amount of space as three one pound blocks of butter, that’s how dense fish eggs are…

Do you see where I’m going with this??

To get about 90,000 lbs of cargo onto the floor space of 18 pallets I would have to stack two forty foots vans on top of each other.

Do you see the physical Volume of Space we’re talking about here?

Yes, some of the things they took were denser than Caviar. The Canned Rations they took were NOT denser than caviar. Neither were any cloth goods or paper goods.

And whereas many of the metal items they took Were denser than caviar (the typewriter, the telescope, the fancy calculator, etc) none of those items packed into as small a space as caviar does.

You Need A Lot Of Physical Space To Store 90,000 lbs of ANYTHING.

16 wooden pallets can Easily hold 90,000 lbs of weight.

Problem is, the crap would be stacked on top of that pallet about 20 feet high. Moving a 20 foot high stack o’ crap is, well, tippy slinky wobbly…. crazy.

Wanna use double wide pallets? 80 inches by 48 inches by 5 inches? We used those too, some, for Halibut… there. We just doubled our floor space… now the stacks are only 10 feet high. Still pretty tippy slinky wobbly crazy if you ask me… I could do it. I’m really really good. (Really good) I Could do it… but I wouldn’t want to. One little bump at the wrong place and there goes your load.

Want to make the pallets So Big that the height of the gear is no longer an issue? Now we have pallets so big that they won’t fit through doorways or be able to make turns around corners… if you make the pallet too big you completely delete the point of having one. Might as well build a platform and just hand stack the stuff….

rock on
twj

Originally posted by garyo1954

If you were personally in charge of disclosure, how would you do it without destabilizing tens if not hundreds of millions of people – and also the world's economy?

Best, Bill

Bill,

That's a topic for a new thread. This thread is about the evidence of serpo
itself. Any issues of disclosure be it opinions or debate requires a new topic.

Thanks/

[edit on 31-1-2006 by garyo1954]

I agree the merits and methodologies of Disclosure deserve (and in fact have) their own threads.

However, it is also important to remember that Serpo has been presented to us, the public, as a representation of a (quasi-) sanctioned act of Disclosure. Therefore, I think the topic of whether or not the release of the Serpo story would add value to a viable disclosure effort is highly relevant to the discussion.

Given the relevance of the story's release to the topic of Disclosure, they are in truth too interrelated to expect us to gloss over the Disclosure aspect completely, IMHO.


[edit on 31-1-2006 by sdrumrunner]

Originally posted by Enrikez
It has been two and one half months since this statement from serpo.org:

We are also considering your suggestion of releasing 100 key pages (out of the 3,000) to you and then your forwarding them around the country to the six key individuals you named in your e-mail: Dr ____ ____ , Dr ____ ____ , ____ ____ , ____ ____ , ____ ____ and ____ ____.

Has there been any followup to this?

Hi, Enrikez –

Great question, and I'd completely forgotten about that. No, I've heard absolutely nothing about it since back then. Either it's not happened, or those six people have been sworn to silence!

Best, Bill

And I would agree as wll except:

This thread is 177 pages!
It drifted into a faith arguments.
It drifted into Bill's personal life.

How far should we let it go? 275 pages with Bill leading everyone in any direction? He can have his own thread!

No problem. But this one started on the issues surround SERPO and not on how disclosure should be handled. That is a no-no. We call it thread
highjack here, remember?

Present evidence.....make a case for or against.

Originally posted by Dr Love
Hey Bill, do you intentionally ignore everyone who wants to see pictures?

Hi, Dr Love –

Totally beyond my control! I'll post them immediately if and when I receive them.

Best, Bill