Project Serpo: Postings by "Anonymous" -- Breaking news?

Originally posted by masqua

Originally posted by Bill Ryan

Years ago the psychologist Leon Festinger of "cognitive dissonance" fame, was asked to write scenarios as to how various segments of the population would respond to news of ET contact. It's all covered in the book by Bob Emenneger, "UFOs, Past, Present and Future." Much space must be left for people to disbelieve if they can't handle it.

Bill...this post has me confused a bit. Initially, you seem to be responding

to another post, but I can't figure out whose it was. Secondly, If you have time, could you comment on why, exactly, you feel "space must be left for people to disbelieve if they can't handle it"?

I personally feel that this is a critical facet of the Serpo story and that it may indeed have far-reaching ramifications to 'disclosure'.

I think he was replying to my request for somebody to point me in the direction of the juniper 3 experiment. Somebody mentioned that we had already discussed this on here think it was zep tepi (sorry if i got the name wrong) but I have searched and there is no such discussion. It is to do with, If i am understanding correctly so far, the release of information about alien species and how people react. I am still searching for info so could be out slightly but think this is the general jist of it!

Just found this page an interesting read when you compare it to what is happening here

www.caic.org.au...

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My understanding about "leaving space for the non-believers" implies that there are people out there who could not yet emotionally handle disclosure, so disclosure is being handled very carefully - ie. leaving a few temporary "holes" in the story so that the people who really do NOT want to believe, can grasp the concept in the course of time, as opposed to all of the sudden BANG! There's aliens and we're their slaves... omg mass suicide/rioting!

I'm sure there are senator and congressmen that are so religous that it would be out of the question to fathom another existance and such.

I know people who have made so many life-changing decisions based on their religion... decisions they would NOT have made had it not been for religion, and I would assume they could regret this to the point of suicide. The alien issue WILL affect religion.

So I can understand a slow disclosure. In fact, I agree with it.

I could not have said it better:

Originally posted by rdube02
All roads are leading toward true disclosure, disinformation, or a little bit of both... Thanks for leading the way Bill. Hopefully this time the messenger won't just be forced to just keep running on the treadmill with no end in sight. We're all with you here - and you are not alone with this. You're doing a fantastic job clearing your name (even though you do not even have to) - and I think it's pretty clear we need to focus on what this information is, why is it coming now and who is sending it your way...

Keep it coming Bill - thanks for all of your hard work.

Bill, you are a better man than I am. The degree of transparency you have maintained is beyond impressive.

Some people wonder why others (myself included) choose to remain largely anonymous while continuing in our participation on this board... From Day One, this individual has been completely open and honest about himself and his motives in creating the Serpo web site. He has, IMHO, made a "best effort" to answer every question presented to him, even those which were presented (IMO) in a distrespectful manner. Yet some have chosen to remain focused in their attempt to prove he weighs as much as a duck.

As one of several who have corresponded with Bill off site since the inception of this thread, he has IMO been honest and sincere in each of his dealings with me. I believe he himself has approached his own investigation into the topic with an open, objective mind.

And before anyone responds to that last statement by reminding us of the possible connection with his own personal religious/philisophical beliefs, may I remind you that while a vast majority of us here at ATS firmly believe in / accept that their are ET intelligences currently visiting our planet, that does not stop most of us from critically analyzing the claims we routinely see here at ATS.

Similarly, I for one credit Bill in his ability to objectively apply the critical thought process to his own analysis of the Sepro story.

Unlike Bill, I could never have disclosed such personal information about myself. Do I or my family have anything to hide? No -- with all due respect, it's simply none of your damn business. Religious affiliation? Are you kidding me?

Thus, Bill, you are indeed a better man. I would have gone Cartman on this crowd a long, long time ago.

Thank you for your continued participation.

That having been said, there are indeed many facets to the Serpo story which provide more than a few glaring inconsistencies we may focus on, and on which further discussion should in fact be encouraged by the overseers here at ATS, as little by little, as painful as it may at times seem, we are indeed clawing and scratching our way a little closer to the truth.

Its funny coz reading your last post makes me think how i would handle it.
Being someone who doesn't follow a religion, but does believe in God, i feel i can handle it as just because there are other civilizations beyond are planet does not mean there is not a God over looking the whole lot of us.

But i can see how people who have fixed idea's, beliefs, would feel betrayed in some way, if they believe it for fact.
I'm pretty sure that most people i know do not even pass this thought through their minds, don't even consider what they would do if disclosure did take place, so i guess in the ATS community it is hard to gauge the general public's view of this.

Originally posted by Whiterabbit29


Just found this page an interesting read when you compare it to what is happening here

www.caic.org.au...


“Control Of Information”
By controlling the information one receives you can control and restrict the individual’s ability to think for himself. You limit what he is able to think about.

-and-

Information Control
- The control of the individuals information sources

Deny a person the information needed to make a sound judgment and he will be incapable of doing so. People are trapped in cults because they are denied both the access to the critical information they need to assess their situation. The psychological chains on their minds are just as powerful as if they were locked away physically from society. So strong is this psychological process they also lack the properly functioning internal mechanism to process any critical information placed in front of them.

good find, Whiterabbit29...

There's some relevant information there that can be applied to the way the information has been forthcoming here...dribs and drabs.

Thanks for the link...now I know what Bill was referring to.
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Ding Ding Ding.............. I believe you are more right than you can imagine!

I also believe Bill Ryan is being honest with us. I believe that Anon A or Anon 1 is someone very, very deep within government that got spooked by all of this attention. I think Anon B or Anon 2 is a poser.

IMHO, of course.

Shawna, is it my imagination or what that it seems you have defended Bill Ryan right to the very last?
Earlier in the posts didn't you meet Bill Ryan for lunch one day or am I wrong?

I hope that I do not come across as "defending Bill to the very last". When I first posted on this thread, I had an opportunity to meet Bill for coffee as he was in my area . But alas, it didn't work out due to my work schedule so no, Bill and I have never met in person. I wouldn't mind having the opportunity to meet him if/when our paths cross again though! Especially now that I have a much better feel for this whole saga. I do respect Bill's intelligence and his demeanor and appreciate his engagement here.

That said, here's where I stand on all of this at this moment in time:

1. I do believe there are elements of truth to what Bill is presenting.
2. I do believe that Bill is trying to be as open and honest as he can, given his promise to protect his source, and anyone else involved who appears to be helping him sort through all of this.
3. I do believe that Bill's involvement with a spinoff from the Church of Scientology has relevance here given the recent research I've completed relative to L. Ron Hubbard, mind control, cults, the CoS, Ron's Org, Freezone, etc. and their tactics and underlying beliefs. And anyone else reading this would be VERY wise to do the same.
4. I do believe there are people involved in this story that have great political power and/or influence - especially as it relates to black ops and mind control. In fact, I believe Anon may very well be one of these individuals. This belief stems from analyzing Victor's email list and researching the background of some of the high profile individuals on that list.
5. I also believe that we need to DEMAND documents that can be certified as authentic, photos that can be analyzed or some other information that can lend credibility to all of this in order to allow Bill to continue to engage the intelligent people on this forum in this dialog. Not doing so allows Bill and anyone else involved to USE this forum as a sort of "focus group". And frankly, I've always had an aversion to being manipulated - which I believe we are all being subject to at this point.

I do hope this is helpful. I am trying to be transparent with respect to my beliefs and share those as openly and honestly as possible.


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[edit on 31-1-2006 by Shawnna] to fix grammar - I should really proof read things first!

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I can understand a slow disclosure, but I think it has been going on for a long time. I mentioned very early in this thread that there is a very high recognition of the classic grey alien image among the western population. I believe this is deliberate and has been seeded for a long time, Dan Dare and the Mysterons come to mind, it seems that I have always known that aliens have bulbous heads and large black almond eyes.

More recently I think that there is an accepted consensus that aliens communicate via telepathy, maybe restricted to more actively interested parties.

Maybe now its time to strengthen the alien DNA manipulation, human/alien hybrid conditioning.

It seems all top down drip feed to me, but I really hope there is a nugget for people who feel ready to accept and believe.

Originally posted by Bill Ryan

Originally posted by Im a true sceptic
even more puzzling was mr ryans avoidence of valhallas ligit question - even whilst he was online....

What was the question? I may have missed that. I'll be glad to answer it if someone can repeat it or references the post.

Best, Bill

ill get round to it bill

As a side dish however, my attitude may seem harsh toward you - but this isnt personal ok? - most of us hard line types are expected to take this at face value at present.

Good luck


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If you wanted to judge reaction to disclosure, you wouldn't test it on Ufologists, you would test it on non-believers. For example in the latest log release where it mentions the Eben's doing cloning and creating Hybrids and other creatures. It didn't hardly merit so much as an mention here because anyone that has any knowledge of Ufology is already well aware of this as a possiblity. There is very little that we can learn from dislcosure that would really shake us out of our boots. But you take a non believer or one who simply doesn't know anybetter and let them have the same info and they will either go into denial or panic. This would be a better test of the amount and kinds of info that people can handle. Most people will accept that other civilizations exist without too much fanfare. The ringer is getting them to accept the fact that they have been coming here and screwing with our history and genes for thousands of years. This is where the problems will begin. This is where peoples religions will get tested.
When the general masses realize that we are not at the top of the food chain, then that will be the true test of disclosure.

Originally posted by Enrikez

I understand your opinion. You are intitled to it, and I even pointed out one of your posts shed some light on this thread and thanked you for it.
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didnt see the thanks - but if you did, your most welcome.

I wonder if the next post from 'Anon2' will go into the real hardcore stuff - soul's lifeforces etc, where does the lifeforce come from when a hybrid being is created, was the dead commanders lifeforce transfered to his new form?

Are the j-rods all one person?

To get back to the question I raised last night:

1) I am willing to accept the reality of an alien-human hyrbrid... or even of aliens walking among us.

2)This acceptance will not necessarily contradict my belief in God or any particular religion... as I know that there is more to any one religion than a literal reading of its holy text. I am also able to see that, all along, many of the world's religious leaders were, in the past, talking about a universal or cosmic god that created ALL sentient life in his image.

3)I realize that things we consider to be unethical might not be to an alien... a being who, by definition, would have different viewpoints than we do.

4)I am also willing to live or work with alien-human entities. Though I think it is unethical to manufacture life as a commodity... I would also respect any life that had already been made... even if it was super-intelligent alien-human life.

So Bill, Anon, and whatever else is out there.... am I ready to receive the next level of information? Does the public have to come around to the positions I listed baove before we can find out what's going on? Is this what I -- or we -- have to say before the next piece of information is delivered?

But will Dubya & his pals stand for this?

I don't think so.

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams


To get back to the question I raised last night:

1) I am willing to accept the reality of an alien-human hyrbrid... or even of aliens walking among us.

2)This acceptance will not necessarily contradict my belief in God or any particular religion... as I know that there is more to any one religion than a literal reading of its holy text. I am also able to see that, all along, many of the world's religious leaders were, in the past, talking about a universal or cosmic god that created ALL sentient life in his image.

3)I realize that things we consider to be unethical might not be to an alien... a being who, by definition, would have different viewpoints than we do.

4)I am also willing to live or work with alien-human entities. Though I think it is unethical to manufacture life as a commodity... I would also respect any life that had already been made... even if it was super-intelligent alien-human life.

So Bill, Anon, and whatever else is out there.... am I ready to receive the next level of information? Does the public have to come around to the positions I listed baove before we can find out what's going on? Is this what I -- or we -- have to say before the next piece of information is delivered?

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Originally posted by sandman658
But will Dubya & his pals stand for this?

It isn't just Dubya and his pals, it's the vast majority of the USA and Western world, I would imagine. My initial sense is that underdeveloped countries may very well be more accepting but I'd have to think this through some more.

Bottom line is we're back to what the Brookings Institute report was charged with ascertaining about 50 years ago or so. And has so much changed since that report was done? I really don't think so.

Here you go, not me.

Consider, that buying and selling is the only economy.
What is being sold here with Project Serpo?
What do you really think humans would think of it?
Answer these questions to yourself, not me or anyone else!

On a planet that verily is able to support life, and after finding such a planet, these spacealiens do this kind of activity.

I have played better computer games than that!

If a spacealien species wanted to survive on an unknown planet, and had the technology that the supposed Ebens do, what do you think would be the appropriate action to take?

Say, terraforming, and nowhere is that even mentioned. Here they have the "power" of life, which takes much more knowledge, and they refuse to make the Planet better. I find that ridiculous!

There seems to be an uninformed opinion that "religion" could not handle disclosure. I see it quite the opposite. Of all the people on this planet it's the religious that have already won the battle of belief/disbelief. They are the ones that have a deep rooted pre-existing belief in the "other worldly". It would just be down to figuring out how the new information fits into the particular religious dogmas. For example:

"There is nothing in Holy Scripture that could confirm or contradict the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe," [Jesuit Brother Consolmagno] wrote.

Do Space Aliens Have Souls?

So, I don't think Project Serpo being proved true would be a death knell for the world's religions. I think it would open a whole new are of study!

As it stands so far, if the whole thing is true, the Ebens have a complex view of life. They value it, that's obvious, but they also see it as transitory. This life, when over, can be used to bring about new completely different life. A very literal application of reincarnation. 308 becomes The Thing. The way the latest entries read it seems that the Ebens see nothing wrong with the experiments on 308, and were indeed confused by the way the humans took offense. The Eben's treatment of 308 (and their confusion about the humans taking offense) shows us they believe in a soul. Or at the very least in something that's greater than the flesh. That's certainly something that will be much more pallatable to the religious minded than the skeptical atheists who believe we are merely naked apes with no spiritual soul to speak of.

Can religion handle disclosure? Certainly. A better question is can atheism handle disclosure if with it comes proof of a spiritual soul?

I think a lot has changed Shawnna. It's a vastly different world. Information can be spread at the speed of light. Coverups can be leaked and spread a lot faster than 50 some years ago. I think they may be facing the reality if this now.
Or maybe it's just a good excuse to draw attention away from the rest of the problems in the Gov. It could work out good now, most of the old-timers are dying off, blame them for the Coverup. ( If it's real)

Mr Anonymous, and everyone teaming with you, i would like to say that what you are actually doing is absolutely admirable and i thank you so much.

The current situation on earth is very bad to say the least. It gets worse. We have to change things before it's too late. Extraterrestrial presence is not only something every human being has the Right to know, but it could open people's mind and start a new better chapter in our history.

Again, you have my deepest thanks Mr Anonymous.

Best regards,
Musclor

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