Let's put an end to ALL secret societies

Originally posted by markusjharper
"... will keep passing out Anti-Masonic evidence on CD and DVD..."

Care to share your "evidence"? I for one would LOVE to see some!

...most of my colleges now listen to ...

You have "colleges"? Which ones?

Alex Jones and the like. I'll just ask Dr. Stan Monteith if I can pass some of his videos around also.

Let us know how that goes, huh? My guess is you'll need to PAY for them, thus proving the motive of their creator.

I suppose you can tell us the name of one of these "grand masters" that Hall "taught Masonry to"?

I'm not interested in your Masonic games.

Again, you are asked for "evidence" and refuse. Par for the course, huh?

Your posting of a link to Mr. Hall's bio, and naming a video biography, doesn't constitute evidence, it constitutes name dropping. Surely you can do better than that.

Quotes from a reputable and verifiable source, with attribution of source and page number or approximate location in video, may constitute evidence, but then with all of your advanced studies you should know this.

Who's playing games here?

DD

[edit on 22-11-2005 by Dedicated_Dad]

markusjharper / peopledying

OK. Lets eliminate all secret societies.

First thing we have to do is define 'secret society' so we can begin to draw up our list of proscribed organizations.

What do you mean by the term 'secret society'?

peopledying: Thank you for the kind words of support. I will not give in to acceptance by brainwashed victims. I have bookmarked the links and will read them ASAP.

Originally posted by markusjharper

I simply state my right for free speech

Nobody here is disputing your right to free speech. What they are disputing is the fact that you tell lies and the fac that you clearly don't have a clue what you are speaking about.

And I can see clear how much ATS is becoming a cesspool for Masons to gang up and bully.

I wondered when this one was going to come up. "Mummy, mummy. the nasty Masons are ganging up on me!!!". Perhaps, this is the weakest argument that an anti-mason can bring up. The fact that people exercise their righ to free speech to disagree with you and you complain about it makes your arguments all the more hypocritical and vaccuous.

i dont want to put a end to secret societies. They are fun. And i dont want to play ''masonic games'', but when i wanted to join the masons, i found a good lodge very easily. Its not secret at all.

Also, i think the author of this thread has a hard time figuring out the evil corporate and governement groups with an agenda from the conspiracy theories (bilderger, etc) from the age old initiatic societies that prone the enlightment of man, like masonry, OTO, A:.A:. GD and others.

Also, what wrong about these fraternities not being advertised all over the place? This thing we are doing is definitly not for everyone, and it would be a waste of time for everyone to give a try to anyone who feels like it. When someone searches for such a fraternity, he finds it. period. The rest of the time, its invisible to everyone who is not looking. Isnt that a good thing?

The question should be "why do we need to have secret societies when you are supposed to be living within a society already"?

Once again, the illuminati and groups like OTO and Skull and Bones could not use Islam or Christianity to hide anything, they used freemasonry instead! Gee, I wonder why?

Originally posted by markusjharper
The question should be "why do we need to have secret societies when you are supposed to be living within a society already"?

Once again, the illuminati and groups like OTO and Skull and Bones could not use Islam or Christianity to hide anything, they used freemasonry instead! Gee, I wonder why?

perhaps, but what about the ''Fun'' factor?

what about the fact of learning and practicing stuff that makes you better and makes you evolve?

yea we live in a society, a rotten society. i wanna regroup with ppl who share the same interests as i do, hence the concept of fraternity

And i beg you, plz do not mix oranges with apples here, you are completely mixing fraternities of different origins and agenda / orientation together. I totally understand why you are against the black goverment and those dirty evil bastards who control the world and dont give a damn for the environment and / or the people living here. But not all fraternities are created equal. I already explain why those societies are not advertised. Its not for everyone. we dont want everyone looking at what we do. I mean yea it is for everyone but seriously, not everyone have the potential to do this! so we filter ppl out, like any good college. are you against colleges too?

Just because I like you DD:

Care to share your "evidence"? I for one would LOVE to see some!

Which DVD or CD are you interested in? I burn them constantly, just as you drool while sleeping or, or take abuse in the bathroom. I want you to know that I share files over P2P with millions upon millions of people while you sleep. Not to mention – a few years ago I read THE book which exposed the Federal Reserve as a true Cartel and I decided to change my name to be human by freeing myself up from the STRAWMAN status! I also applied my knowledge and took advantage of taxes (income tax is an un-Constitutional hidden tax thanks to Morgan & Warburg and others ya know) and Real Estate to become financially independent. Believe me – I can afford to fund more than the time it takes to burn DVD’s. I feel for you though…….I bet you have no clue at all about the coming pole shift either and have not even prepared a penny.

Let us know how that goes, huh? My guess is you'll need to PAY for them, thus proving the motive of their creator.

I’d rather they get rich then you. I care about copyright laws more nowadays than ever before and will pay handsomely to support Anti-Mason/anti-secret groups. I never used to care too much about copyright in general but had I not a skill in another area (which does not even require that I use a program called peerguardian to block the noobish RIAA) I could continue to disobey US copyright laws, as I used to before. Since I LEGALLY don’t have to pay income tax either, I’m not too worried overall.

Again, you are asked for "evidence" and refuse. Par for the course, huh?

Your posting of a link to Mr. Hall's bio, and naming a video biography, doesn't constitute evidence, it constitutes name dropping. Surely you can do better than that.

Quotes from a reputable and verifiable source, with attribution of source and page number or approximate location in video, may constitute evidence, but then with all of your advanced studies you should know this.

Who's playing games here?

Have you ever heard of informal writing?

I posted a link to his Bio which mentions his expertise and when Hall, died there was held in the Carnegie Hall a passing the memorial service to him. Many top Masons mentioned how he was not only their mentor, but that he was an older soul, so to speak. I can get the Masons names for you, if you’re too lazy to find out yourself.




[edit on 23-11-2005 by markusjharper]

perhaps, but what about the ''Fun'' factor?

what about the fact of learning and practicing stuff that makes you better and makes you evolve?

yea we live in a society, a rotten society. i wanna regroup with ppl who share the same interests as i do, hence the concept of fraternity

“……………..are you against colleges too?

Your point is fair but we need to set a precedent. When co-founder of the Bilderburg's Dennis Healy was asked about their meeting in secret, his response was “It’s not secret; it's private". What they don't tell you is that they are setting public policy in there and as Invesigative Reporter Tucker said “they don’t meet in there to play Pea knuckle for 3 days!"

I am against anything secret that can set public policy. The College we call "Yale" should be purged of Skull and Bones and heavily fined if not shut down.

Originally posted by markusjharper
Once again, the illuminati and groups like OTO and Skull and Bones could not use Islam or Christianity to hide anything, they used freemasonry instead! Gee, I wonder why?

Yet again, I ask for evidence.
Put up or shut up.

That's not a curb on your freedom of speech. It's plain common sense.

Of course, I don't really expect you to supply me with any evidence. You can't. What I do expect are more illogical ramblings based on dodgy innuendo, as every time you are asked to supply proof, you clumsily skirt the subject.

As for being a member of your society? Unfortunately, I didn't have a choice. I was forced to be a member and cohabit with a portion of ignorance. Fortunately, I could choose to be a Freemason.

Originally posted by Trinityman
OK. Lets eliminate all secret societies.

First thing we have to do is define 'secret society' so we can begin to draw up our list of proscribed organizations.

What do you mean by the term 'secret society'?

Any chance of an answer?

I am against anything secret that can set public policy.

I'm sure you are aware that freemasonry does not fall into this category.

markusjharper, I think the title you gave this thread - "Let's put an end to ALL secret societies " says it all. As someone else asked - were you not allowed in the school gang or something? This is another example of a knee-jerk reaction to something one doesn't understand.

Bit like at school:

"Didn't want to join your gang anyway, stupid gang..." Bottom lip out - running off to tell everyone about the 'stupid gang'.

As Masonry is so incredibly secretive and doesn't let any of it's secrets out, where does all this information you read/write and 'burn to CD/DVDs' and share on P2P networks come from?
I hope it isn't copyrighted material by the way that you are promoting the illegal distribution of.

But seriously, this really is just a typical example of people criticising something they can't be a part of and it is very sad. But I guess your OK because now you have your little gang of Mason haters and get to be king of your hill.

I always thought Masons did a lot of charitable work and contributed to the community, that's what I've usually been aware of - but I guess once a mind has become warped it's too late to try and show some sense.

But I'd love to see the information obtained from a society which is accused of hiding it's inner workings to the degree that no-one outside of the organisation has any real knowledge. I imagine a lot of it actually is hidden, which is why I'm astounded there is apparantly so much condemning evidence out there.

Bit of a crappy 'secret' society if you've got all this info, so I guess it's not a secret society after all - in which case your thread is redundant!

[edit on 23-11-2005 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by markusjharper
they used freemasonry instead!

The Illuminati haven't used freemasonry. Many of the Illuminati Minervals were Master Masons, before being Illuminati and their activities as Illuminati had nothing to do with Masonry. They didn't meet in Masonic Lodges to hold their business meetings, and people like Knigge copied and reworked, apparently, some of the masonic rituals to make up Illuminati rituals, and also copied the structure of the masonic socieities to structure and organize, to some degree, the Illuminati groups. If they were using the masons then they wouldn't be copying and changing anything, they'd go to the masonic lodges and do it. They didn't 'use' the masons as anything other than a template to seperately create their group, and, importantly I think, that influence came largely from Knigge, from what I understand, whereas Weishaupt had a more unique set up.

What they don't tell you is that they are setting public policy in there

The Bilderburger group is a private group, there is nothing illegal about it and nothing that can be done to prevent people from going to it. It has lots of 'bigwigs', and they clearly discuss politics and economics and talk about governmental agendas, I think that they even admit to this.
But they are not a branch of any government and you can't force people to give up all privacy when they become a public official.

Besides, its silly, if 'they' wanted to run the world, they wouldn't have some big meeting that everyone knows about and a conference to put their 'evil plot' together. The Bilderberger conference is just a place where industrialists and some government officials can go and have discussions on government, economics, and policy, without haveing everything turned into media sound bytes or public 'sounds nice but has no action' speeches.

The College we call "Yale" should be purged of Skull and Bones and heavily fined if not shut down.

Yale should be punished and closed because some seniors have a frat? That hardly makes sense.

peopledying, I think we need to talk about this – I think I now know why you chose the name “peopledying”.

Those links you posted - I've read them over twice and still cannot believe what I’m reading. It is true after-all, they do worship Lucifer and it all makes perfect sense. I never imagined just how huge this conspiracy is. Holy crap, this is very frightening.

I hope these dear people understand how serious this is.


[edit on 23-11-2005 by markusjharper]

I wonder if markusjharper and peopledying share the same IP address?
I wonder why you have your intimate conversation in the open forum and not in U2U like other people would?

Anyway, how do you know it isn't true about Lucifer - what makes you so sure your 'sources' are not just people who have some sort of problem with things they can't be part of or don't agree with having a tantrum?

And even if it is true - what makes you think it's Lucifer as interprated in the negative sense? Lucifer is not the evil devil to all people, quite the opposite - and it's what it means to people that worship him/it that counts - not anything else.

Maybe?

So either I am a noob and forgot to use a proxy (assuming I were to fake a username) or I'm really not "peopledying". Take your pick?

But I'd prefer to hear what he has to say and if you haven't caught on yet; well as much as I'd like to tell you, I'm going to let you wait and see first. Let us call it, a test of patience regarding your belief in Conspiracies.

And even if it is true - what makes you think it's Lucifer as interprated in the negative sense? Lucifer is not the evil devil to all people, quite the opposite - and it's what it means to people that worship him/it that counts - not anything else.

And how do you suppose we would have any progress, if good people started to say things like "I worship Satan, but it's really a good God in my eyes"? Does that sound realistic and respectful? I sure hope not - but then again I have been having Masons upon Mason pile upon me and so I get a warning for using words slightly too strong.

Lucifer is that what the Masons worship as Jesuit-pawns with roots in ancient Deism. They can use it for good or bad but all I asked is fo them to admit it. Pike was a Luciferian and you know it Masons.

markus you havent explained yet why you are confusing all fraternities and societies, by putting them in all the same basket, and crapping on all of them. What do you do about secret societies that are here for the advancement of mankind? the ''white lodges'' that exists here to fight the dark ones? should we put an end to them too?

*sigh*
As I've already stated - you don't even know what or who Lucifer actually was. How can you therefore accuse other people of worshipping something that you know nothing about?

Of course, if your intimation is that Freemasons worship Satan, you're even further off the mark. Don't let that worry you though. Carry on ranting so that we can all have a good laugh at your expense - mason and non-mason alike.

Mason upon Mason upon Mason.........

markus you havent explained yet why you are confusing all fraternities and societies, by putting them in all the same basket, and crapping on all of them. What do you do about secret societies that are here for the advancement of mankind? the ''white lodges'' that exists here to fight the dark ones? should we put an end to them too?

I already said that I am opposed to anything that effects public poilicy. A white lodge (a true "white" lodge) would be working for the betterment all man and not need to hide any. They are family, not frats! I think you mix them up, not I.