Billy Meier called the New Nostradamus!?!?

"Worse, his photos then may have shown the outer edge of the craft he was sitting on. Somehow I suspect that was a no-no for him to do. "

Yeah damn, ya wouldnt wanna do that.

I caught that too. Funny stuff. So was this

It's impossible to toss a rope up through the dozens of branches of neighboring trees to get it in place around the top part of a taller tree within a grove.

Maybe Jim meant unlikely. When I first read this I came to a screeching halt and said to myself "Oh great now he's an expert tree roper."

Who ever said ya had to throw the rope over the top of a tree to pull it down? Jim is rather correct in that assumption, it'd be kind ridiculous to do....for anyone.

But, thats assuming you have to throw it over the top. (which is kinda crazy anyway)...all one need do is make a slip knot and put it around the tree...not lasso it like a cowboy.

[edit on 7-2-2006 by jritzmann]

Hi all,

Haven't been on this forum for a bunch of weeks, thought i'd check it out.

Wow... you guys are STILL at it !!
I figure y'all should be doing UFO comic strips or something... would be VERY entertaining !!

Just a few quick points among many:

The beamship with all the globules on it was a prototype, sort of like a test craft to prove new technology. Lab prototypes tend to look like that, not packaged very well, kind of strange looking and all that. The abilities of this craft were incorporated into the Plejaren's "normal" looking craft afterwards so probably didn't look much different... the original prototype didn't last very long due to corrosion or something?
An Interesting demonstration of the way the Plejarens do things... technically speaking.

That there is NO other proof of any sort that Meier (Nokodemjon more accurately) is one of a series of incarnations of one particular line of "prophets"... is not true.
There is Cayce's Halaliel '36 communication, which interestingly is NOT figu nor "Meier" info. I have NOT heard any comment whatsoever on this, neither from FIGU people, nor any skeptics, nor the Cayce people, nor anybody else for that matter. Just one totally feeble attempt at "slanting" the terminologies used to describe one narrow aspect of Cayce is all... nothing relevent either way & not worth even commenting on.

Whether one believes this communication refers to Nokodemjon or not, the question remains:

If not Nokodemjon, than who?

IF Nokodemjon IS of this particular lineage, then the TJ is within the expected info even as predicted by the OT etc., as provided by the "Meier info".

Still watching for anything decent "against" the Meier case.... haven't seen anything yet.
Wish i could stay, but got stuff to do...
Later maybe,
JP

I think you are entertaining JPL. Still buying every word the Meier case uttered, and sticking your head in the sand when you see things you don't like or calling it feeble attempts because it would upset your reality.

Still watching for anything decent "against" the Meier case.... haven't seen anything yet.

You want something decent "against" the Meier case? Didn't you notice or didn't you want to see?
I'll give you something decent. This is an excerpt from Wikipedia on the subject of Billy Meier, no doubt written by someone like you.

"A farmer born in the Swiss Lowlands, Meier says his first extraterrestrial contacts occurred at the age of five, indirectly resulting in a difficult childhood. He ran away and joined the French Foreign Legion but left it and returned home. He travelled extensively around the world pursuing spiritual exploration, covering some 42 countries over 12 years."

Although you Meier supporters are fond off saying you have the truth, the above isn't exactly it, now is it? "He ran away" is accurate but some matters are omitted. If I recall correctly Wendelle Stevens mentioned in his book that Meier spend some 4,5 years in prison and insane asylums until he decided to break out. Prison break is what it's called. Not your upstanding citizen huh? Stevens mentioned that Meier fled to France and joined the French Foreign Legion, another fine institution known throughout the world for harbouring criminals that want to disappear. So in the Wikipedia article it is correct that Meier joined the French Foreign Legion.

A new 'problem' arises. The article says that Meier joined the F.F.L. "but left it"... Actually the more appropriate, more truthful word, would be that he deserted. Isn't it? Meier comments on this period that he fled while on assignment in Algeria. That's called desertion. Saying "he left" is woefully short of the truth. Ok, now hold on for a moment. Meier busted out of prison in Switzerland and deserted from the French military. What do I see next in the article.

"He travelled extensively around the world pursuing spiritual exploration, covering some 42 countries over 12 years." Another fine distraction from the actual circumstances. What happens when you break out of prison and desert from the military, will people come looking for you? Dare I say that Meier had outstanding warrents for his arrest in Switzerland and France, and possibly other European countries with extradition treaties, during his "travels around the world exploring spirituality". Another phrase you could make and what is truthful at the same time, is that "he was on the run from avoiding capture".

So there you have it. Billy Meier, the acclaimed Prophet of the New Age, was at one time a convicted fellon and ordinary criminal with outstanding warrents for his arrest. Is this decent "against" the Meier case?

[edit on 9-2-2006 by TerraX]

Originally posted by TerraX

I'll give you something decent. This is an excerpt from Wikipedia on the subject of Billy Meier, no doubt written by someone like you.

"A farmer born in the Swiss Lowlands, Meier says his first extraterrestrial contacts occurred at the age of five, indirectly resulting in a difficult childhood. He ran away and joined the French Foreign Legion but left it and returned home. He travelled extensively around the world pursuing spiritual exploration, covering some 42 countries over 12 years."

Although you Meier supporters are fond off saying you have the truth, the above isn't exactly it, now is it? "He ran away" is accurate but some matters are omitted. If I recall correctly Wendelle Stevens mentioned in his book that Meier spend some 4,5 years in prison and insane asylums until he decided to break out. Prison break is what it's called. Not your upstanding citizen huh? Stevens mentioned that Meier fled to France and joined the French Foreign Legion, another fine institution known throughout the world for harbouring criminals that want to disappear. So in the Wikipedia article it is correct that Meier joined the French Foreign Legion.

A new 'problem' arises. The article says that Meier joined the F.F.L. "but left it"... Actually the more appropriate, more truthful word, would be that he deserted. Isn't it? Meier comments on this period that he fled while on assignment in Algeria. That's called desertion. Saying "he left" is woefully short of the truth.

There's alot left out of any two or three sentence summary of Meier's youth. Especially, Meier's side of the story is left out. Having actually been contacted many times by Sfath in his youth and educated way beyond his years, he became quite indifferent to school and events around him, and withdrew into himself. (I find this to be realistic, myself.) It caused him to be the butt of jokes and be blamed for hooliganism and considered uneducable. So Meier was then placed in different juvenile institutions. But they always had to release him, learning that he was intelligent and no menace to society. But he continued to be unresponsive to society, saying nothing when accused of crimes committed by others, causing him at least once to be taken into temporary custody by the police. Some time after that he was placed in a special department of the psychiatric clinic at Rheinan, Swiitzerland. (Google confirms the existence of a psychiatric clinic and hospital there still today.) After being in a locked room there for a month he finally decided to take action for himself, and found a way to escape from a 2nd-story window, breaking some bones in his right foot or ankle from having jumped out and landing on concrete. But he managed to climb over a fence and crawl away into a forest over a mile away to hide. But that night he heard barking dogs from a search crew, so he limped further away until finding himself rolling down a slope to the edge of the Rhein River. He decided to swim down the river to escape them, and swam down far enough to be able to end up on the French side
of the river. There he joined the French Foreign Legion, and only then did he receive treatment for his ailing foot. With the FFL he ended up in Algeria, and then fled (deserted) the FFL by crossing a part of the Sahara.

Ok, now hold on for a moment. Meier busted out of prison [rather, the psychiatric clinic] in Switzerland and deserted from the French military. What do I see next in the article.

"He travelled extensively around the world pursuing spiritual exploration, covering some 42 countries over 12 years." Another fine distraction from the actual circumstances. What happens when you break out of prison and desert from the military, will people come looking for you? Dare I say that Meier had outstanding warrents for his arrest in Switzerland and France, and possibly other European countries with extradition treaties, during his "travels around the world exploring spirituality". Another phrase you could make and what is truthful at the same time, is that "he was on the run from avoiding capture".

I'm not at all sure that that was true. If someone around age 16(?) is no menace to society and breaks out of a psychiatric clinic, would they be hunting him down around the world a year later? It seems logical that the FFL would be on the lookout for Meier, however, but this would in no way mean that he wasn't beginning to explore world spirituality at that time, and not thinking or worrying about "being on the run."

Say, TerraX and others interested in the case, while the wedding-cake UFO is still a warm subject, have you seen photo #850 showing one of the W-C craft partially eclipsed behind a mature coniferous tree, but close enough behind the tree that its minimum size can be estimated? It's in the 2004 Fotobuch, which was translated into English as _Through Space and Time_ by Steelmark LLC in 2005 (on p. 114 there). I believe it was taken at about the same time as the photo at the bottom of p. 527 of Stevens' 1982 book, which is the same photo, misdated according to C. Frehner, that's on p. 70 of the Elders' Vol. 2 of 1983.

Nice post Terrax!

JPL you obviously didn't read the 25 pages in this thread yet.

"Still watching for anything decent 'against' the Meier case.... haven't
seen anything yet." Is that some kind of joke?

I suggest you read dereckbart's post in the following page:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It covers the majority (but not all) of the problems everybody has with the
Meier case.

Here is one that just popped up in my head right now. In one of the Meier's
video I saw that he was smoking and I thought wait a minute didn't meier say that the aliens were high in spiritual manners, Meier is the only one on the whole planet that can be in their presence and yet he smokes? I don't think someone that needs to smoke can teach anyone about spiritualism in anyway, as that person smokes (nicottine = drug) meaning he/she can't be at piece within themselves.

At least that is the way I look at it in my own opinion when anyone talks
about spiritualism. Did he smoke while he was in the ships? If so, didn't
it bother the aliens?

Were the aliens using the "spiritualism gradation machine" when the other
people that said they "Saw Them" were next to them? If so, why did they
never mention they were wearing any type of electronic device. I think only Meier mentioned this once but none of the others.

Still looking for something decent "in favor" of the Meier case.... haven't
seen anything yet.

Originally posted by Jim Deardorff
There's alot left out of any two or three sentence summary of Meier's youth. Especially, Meier's side of the story is left out. Having actually been contacted many times by Sfath in his youth and educated way beyond his years, he became quite indifferent to school and events around him, and withdrew into himself. (I find this to be realistic, myself.) It caused him to be the butt of jokes and be blamed for hooliganism and considered uneducable. So Meier was then placed in different juvenile institutions. But they always had to release him, learning that he was intelligent and no menace to society. But he continued to be unresponsive to society, saying nothing when accused of crimes committed by others, causing him at least once to be taken into temporary custody by the police. Some time after that he was placed in a special department of the psychiatric clinic at Rheinan, Swiitzerland. (Google confirms the existence of a psychiatric clinic and hospital there still today.) After being in a locked room there for a month he finally decided to take action for himself, and found a way to escape from a 2nd-story window, breaking some bones in his right foot or ankle from having jumped out and landing on concrete. But he managed to climb over a fence and crawl away into a forest over a mile away to hide. But that night he heard barking dogs from a search crew, so he limped further away until finding himself rolling down a slope to the edge of the Rhein River. He decided to swim down the river to escape them, and swam down far enough to be able to end up on the French side
of the river. There he joined the French Foreign Legion, and only then did he receive treatment for his ailing foot. With the FFL he ended up in Algeria, and then fled (deserted) the FFL by crossing a part of the Sahara.
I'm not at all sure that that was true. If someone around age 16(?) is no menace to society and breaks out of a psychiatric clinic, would they be hunting him down around the world a year later? It seems logical that the FFL would be on the lookout for Meier, however, but this would in no way mean that he wasn't beginning to explore world spirituality at that time, and not thinking or worrying about "being on the run."

Jim, usually people get locked up for a good reason. Spending 4,5 years behind bars means that something serious was going on, more then meets the eye. I've read the story that Meier was arrested for thievery and also his comments that he admitted guilt for crimes he did not commit. Extremely weak excuse, admitting guilt and later on claiming you didn't do it. Nonetheless this aspect of his life doesn't vouch for his character or credibility.
Howcome he was put in psychiatric clinic? Because he told stories about ETs? This is the 1950s we're talking about and during that time American contactees such as Fry, Van Tassel, Adamski or Menger who wrote about meeting ETs weren't rushed into the funny farm. So what's the deciding factor here? Saying that ETs were responsible for Meier's condition is also something that wont stand up to scrutiny or verification. "Unresponsive to society" is right on the money and continues like a red wire throughout the case. You said so yourself that a search crew with dogs chased Meier during his escape. Now why would they do that Jim? And do you think they would stop?

Desertion from the French Foreign Legion is also something that wont be appreciated by French authorities. In fact the military police would come looking for you and should Meier have returned to France there would have been a good chance that there was an A.P.B. out for him. You think desertion is tolerated by any military branch? So the fact remains Jim, that Meier couldn't show his face in Switzerland and France for a considerable ammount of time. There was also the danger for Meier that he could have come into contact with the authorities in other European countries who have extradition treaties with France or Switzerland. That's the other side of his 12 year spiritual journey through Africa and the Middle East. And what was his job again in Pakistan? Smuggler? Super.

And Jim, do you expect me to believe some of Meier's claims with nothing to show for it, the harsh criticisements on other people, while the above shows that he has a checkered past himself? Remember that this is the same guy who claimed more times then I can count that other persons were liars, cheater, frauds, schizophrenic or delusional. Ironic, isn't it?

Tx, you DO have a sense of humour !!

Not that any of this is worthwhile logically, and doesn't prove anything whatsoever one way or the other... but i simply can't help the following:

Jesus/Jmmanuel was cruxified... what type of a criminal was he?

Now... using this same type of logic, would you also care to "take on" the entire christian population??

Perhaps i will check in from time to time... this forum IS pretty good !!

Later all, eh?
JP

Let's not turn this into a religious slugfest.
This is about Meier. Speaking of which I have a link here you might be interested in. Yup its another tree problem. Well not really but it is about as good an analysis as you'll get of the pendulum video. But of course trees are involved too.
I'm sure Dr. Maccabee's analysis of the video could be considered as close as anyone has come to actually getting their hands on some original footage. Heck maybe JR can repeat this vid while he's out shooting.

Hi MannyP4 !!

Thanks for comments & info...

In my opinion, Most, if not all the stuff said against Meier falls apart like wet tissue paper when examined logically "in context" to the info provided. Just lots of "4Hz stuff"... which is yet another of many of stories.
Korff for example is a real prize... without even KNOWING the other side, the more he talks, he convinces guys like me that the "other side" must have SOMETHING worthwhile to examine !!

On one hand, i do NOT want to come across as trying to talk anybody into anything, yet on the other hand, this is an open forum, so i figure i'm entitled to speak my opinion(s), same like the rest of you !!

One point... is that Jesus/Jmmanuel, according to the NT etc. was said to have produced his first "miracle" by converting water into wine, for a bunch of drunks at a party !!
Now... perhaps this was meant to show, that he was nothing more than a "human" like the rest of us?? Meier "smoking" is nothing more than this also... I smoke also. How many here, do also??
Does this really mean anything, being "human" that is?

As always, just my own opinions on stuff...
NOT meant as "authoritive" by any means, & perhaps, I'm just a wine drinking slob like the rest of you guys !!

Later all,
JP

Hi Longhaircowboy !!

I agree... that religion should have absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

I thank Meier for that... Cayce as well.
Meier's information demonstrated, that there is a PLAUSIBLE case which could be made, that explains LOGICALLY that all the religious stuff actually does have a logical explanation, after all.
That Jesus/Jmmanuel (Meier included!!) are nobody to pray to... "they" are/were just human, wine drinking & smoking slobs... like the rest of us !!

They have interesting stories to tell... and all that... is all.

Now... we can say the NT, OT, TJ and all that, are nothing more than stories about the information provided by the old ET's... (etc.)... mind you quite logically provided at least as intended. The study of this stuff is quite interesting IF one is so inclined.... mind you all this is yet another of many stories.

Later all,
Thanks for thoughts !!
JP

Originally posted by jpl
Most, if not all the stuff said against Meier falls apart like wet tissue paper when examined logically "in context" to the info provided.

Did you not see my post above? Did you bother to go to the link?
You smell like Mike Horn and that's not a compliment.

edit: we must of posted at the same time but seems it doesn't matter. Go to the link I provided.

[edit on 2/9/06 by longhaircowboy]

Actually Mr. P, before you go attacking religion as you Meier-ites like to so often do, examine the absolute fact that you have no more basis for your belief in the teachings and ramblings of Billy Meier, then anyone else in any religious belief.

You *believe* Meier, and often overlook or ignore several hardline issues with his "evidence", and defend his words and ideals as if...*gasp* they were religion.

However, you claim to have proof. Proof that cannot hold to scrutiny of the years, one that has NO data to test, and what is able to be examined from what we have doesnt stand to standard optical examination or logic, no manuscript to examine (which at least some religions do have, unlike the TJ)...
...you exist the same as a religion, an article of faith.

Youre "given" "proof", and my thought on that is that alot of people who buy into the Meier story are looking for a "safeguard" because they lack the courage and conviction faith demands, one that can provide them with some sort of "proof" of their belief system. No matter how the "proof" is unresolved, much like religions, you will cling to it.

So lets not be so lofty as if your belief system tallies above all the rest.

Hi Jeff...

IF your reference to "faith" indicates you & others here on this forum are "religious"... then please accept my apologies, as i never intended to produce conflict with anybody's belief systems.

As always, just my own opinions & personal thoughts is all...
Regards,
JP

Big IF.

Either way, whats it matter? The PAR forum routinely smacks, for instance, Christianity around fairly frequently does it not? I seem to recall reading "The King of Lies is Dead" or to that effect when the Pope died. I'm not catholic by any stretch, but thats a pretty lowly remark.

When a manuscript was found that may be some sort of testament of Judas, your rep. called it "more nonsense". This coming from a belief in a document said to be "found" by one Billy Meier, to which there is NO manuscript, papyrus....nothing but a translation, and of course leans on the Plejaren belief as well. Nothing to be examined. The logic there still bewilders me.

Just my opinions as well, as I've said before, believe what you choose to. I have no desire to rewrite your belief system.

Originally posted by jpl
Tx, you DO have a sense of humour !!

Not that any of this is worthwhile logically, and doesn't prove anything whatsoever one way or the other... but i simply can't help the following:
Jesus/Jmmanuel was cruxified... what type of a criminal was he?
Now... using this same type of logic, would you also care to "take on" the entire christian population??
Perhaps i will check in from time to time... this forum IS pretty good !!

Later all, eh?

JP

JP you're a funny guy yourself, but I'm starting to wonder which planet you are from. It seems like you have a different grasp on reality and you're not the only one. I point out that Meier's criminal past isn't a testament to his character or credibility and you start talking about religion like that covers it. Some time ago I posed the same problem regarding Meier's criminal past to "tough guy" Michael Horn and received a similar answer with a string of insults of course. His argument was that throughout time there were "truly great, history making and changing people who had a criminal record as I put it". And this comes from the guy who on many occasions trashed people's reputations for way less. You act like the New Age Apostles, coming up with any excuse where it suits you and call it "logic". Only for the Meier case, of course.

Hello all.

I wasn't referring to him as a non human being. On the contrary, I was referring to him as being a full human who said he had contact with extraterrestrial beings that told him his spirit came from where they came from and yet this is not such an impact in his life to quit smoking? I was under the assumption that this would perhaps work better than the "patch".
I am not saying that people who smoke are bad, I am just saying if you had such a "dramatic" experience and you are teaching about spiritualism then hopefully and fortunately the bad habit of smoking would vanish because you would now be psychologically prepared to handle the consequences of quitting due to the high levels of spiritualism.

OK, now to deal with the real issue, I want to talk about the wedding cake photo, the one in front the house where you can see that one of the gold things fell down. (I don't know how to post a photo here yet.) If you see that photo and look at the right side where there is like a structure of rocks with plants on top, there I would like to see a human stand next to that or maybe someone here can insert a human figure into that photo because I think that will tell a lot. It may show something interesting as I have yet to understand how a person can fit into that thing.

Sorry I am not that technical and don't have the knowledge to put this in better or clearer words as English is not my first language but the problem is I can't find a Meier ship's photo that doesn't look like something is wrong with it. It either looks like something too close to the camera or too far. The dimensions do not add up or make logical sense.

Note: I mentioned this before and I will mention it again: they removed a tree because the ship damaged it a little and they were concerned about the tree's health, so that means they care about vegetation as leaving things right? So how can they permit Meier to fire a laser gun into a "TREE" (living thing) putting a big hole through it?

JP (Pierre)

I thought the proof you mentioned above had to do with proof for Billy's (i.e. Nokodemjon's) prophetic lineage. I believe I have been the one insisting that there is no proof, yet you maintain:

"That there is NO other proof of any sort that Meier (Nokodemjon more accurately) is one of a series of incarnations of one particular line of "prophets"... is not true.
There is Cayce's Halaliel '36 communication, which interestingly is NOT figu nor "Meier" info. I have NOT heard any comment whatsoever on this, neither from FIGU people, nor any skeptics, nor the Cayce people, nor anybody else for that matter. Just one totally feeble attempt at "slanting" the terminologies used to describe one narrow aspect of Cayce is all... nothing relevent either way & not worth even commenting on. "

I'm not sure I understand your statement. You say that Cayce's Halaliel '36 communication provides the proof but then say it is "nothing relevant either way & not worth even commenting on." If it's necessary proof, then it is relevant and certainly worth commenting on! You have mentioned the Halaliel '36 many times before, but I don't recall ever reading how you spelled out its connection to the Meier material. Could you do that for us here? I am particularly interested in seeing how you consider it proof of Meier's prophetic lineage.

Manny if ya go to the post above where I put the link to the Maccabee analysis of the pendulum video you can find a qoute there(on the link) where Meier uses the word terminate to describe the trees removal.
The Plejarens have no love for the native flora cause it seems to be hostile.
Plus they won't hold still long enough for their existance to be verified. They stand for the picture and then when anyone goes back to look for em....they've run off.