NEWS: Paris Riots Spread To Twenty Suburbs

Originally posted by Muaddib
I was talking about the specific cases where women are being targeted for not wearing a head scarf, for wearing skirts and mini skirts, for going to clubs, etc, etc. That's the sort of violence i was talking about.

We get the same thing in the United Kingdom.

If a girl is wearing a short skirt, etc, and end up being raped it is a common defence [one you are told to use by the law firm] that she was 'asking for it' by dressing like that.

In fact...not long ago a guy got off of his charges on that reason alone. Because she was dancing with him and dressed like a slut she deserved to be raped...

She deserved to be raped? Then .. obviously he was acting the same way, and deserves the same thing.. I'm sure there are people serving life in prison who would oblige no problem

Originally posted by Odium

We get the same thing in the United Kingdom.

Really? so you get a lot of women raped, and killed because they are not following certain rules like if they wear a skirt, not wearing a head scarf, etc etc?...

Originally posted by Odium
If a girl is wearing a short skirt, etc, and end up being raped it is a common defence [one you are told to use by the law firm] that she was 'asking for it' by dressing like that.

A law that you are told to use by the lawfirm... Because your law firms tell you it is alright to do it....is that what lawyers tell themselves to sleep better at night over there?....

Originally posted by Odium
In fact...not long ago a guy got off of his charges on that reason alone. Because she was dancing with him and dressed like a slut she deserved to be raped...

That guy should be in prison.... Just because a woman dances in a club, no matter what she wears, that is not excuse to claim she deserved being raped... There is no excuse for rape.


[edit on 3-11-2005 by Muaddib]

At some point, France needs to stand up for France.

Im not going to get into France's history in regards to winning conflicts but they need to stop being afraid of what others will think and take care of their own.

Its been going on for 8 days and the police still cant get it under control for whatever reason.

They either need to crank it up or call in the military. Talking isnt working.

Im surprised the prophecy crowd isnt going nuts trying to call this the muslim invasion. Everybody seems pretty calm about it. Thats a good thing.

But if talking doesnt work, you have to take a more serious approach.

If the rioters dont have a clear leader, who exactly are they talking to anyway? Hopefully not the French version of the crips and bloods.

My great grandparents came to America at the turn of the century. They were German and Eastern European. They faced discrimination and prejudice, especially during world war 1. They lived in a filthy Chicago slum with no heating, had barely any food, and this was all before welfare. Yet the people in their neighborhood, despite predjudicem despite poverty, despite the sorry conditions they lived in, did not roam around taking their fruistrations out on others and their property. They busted their asses and crawled out of the gutter by hard work and determination that they did not want to remain in the Ghetto. They did not have generations of slum dwellers.

Opportunity is not something that should be given, it is something that is made by the person willing to actually do something instead of waiting for it on a silver plate. It is not the governments responsibility to give or make opportunity, it is the individual's. The only thing I can really blame the French government for is their idiotic socialism that tends to drive away economic growth and prosperity, and the way it encourages mediocrity.

But I dont sympathize with these pathetic losers. If they are third generation slum dwellers, its their fault. No one is holding a gun to their heads and forcing them to stay. If they truly want a better life, they must make it for themselves. If they are too lazy to put in hard work, then they deserve their miserable fate.

I have been to Paris. Its a dirty, smelly city. The cops do have a rep of being assholes. So? Ive seen bad places in the US, and many of those places were made bad because people decided to sit around and blame everyone for their problems. Its no different, pure and simple.

I have also lived in poverty. Ive lived on the streets, in my car, was denied any sort of government aid, and had to fend for myself. It seemed hopeless, as I had barely any friends and family to help me out. And I wasnt alone: there were many who were in the same boat as me. Yet those of us who sincerely wanted a better way of life made it for ourselves. It wasnt easy, it was exhausting and back breaking, but thats the price you pay if you want to be happy.

These morons are only hurting themselves and feeding into Xenophobic stereotypes. They are digging their own graves, and are going to fuel hatred and dislike of Muslims and Middle Easterners. They are deepening any racial chasm that exists.

AQnd they have NOBODY to blame but themselves. You reap what you sow.

Here is the latest on AP

A week of riots in poor neighborhoods outside Paris gained dangerous new momentum Thursday, with youths shooting at police and firefighters and attacking trains and symbols of the French state.

Paris-Area Riots Gain Dangerous Momentum

What on earth is wrong with their government? Surely they could put a curfew in place, that might stop some of the violence, or are they that complacent to think it will stop on its own?

Hello !

I'm Vincent, I am french and I am now living in Paris. I would like to post a comment about the riots :

Here in France we definitely have a problem with responding to violence. The agressor is often depicted as a victim, and the victim, as an agressor. Every single night now, in the suburbs of Paris, whole groups of people are systematically destroying cars (up to 400 now !! But the show it's not finished yet !), bus, stores, public buildings (post office, precincts etc)...They even use real firearms to try shoot cops and firefighters. Can you believe it ? It's already 8 days it all began.

And what is the official answer of the Gvt?!!!!! : "peace, love, understanding, dialogue"...Bla bla bla bla bla...

We all wonder : what about a State that cannot provide safety to the citizens ?! What about a Police that is useless. All they do is shouting "return to your house" to the rioters. And let me tell you : rioters laugh out loud when they hear this !

Do you know why things are worsening ? Because everywhere in the suburbs, potential rioters understood that they would not be punished. That the police would not intervene (firefighters are the true heroes here). They understood this from the very first night of riots...

The message from the gvt is clear to them : "do what you want, after all, the more violent you are, the more it prooves how society is cruel to you. It is not your fault, Society is responsible. Keep on showing your anger sweet kids. And show it against the vilain citizens that have cars and jobs"

The police spokesmen repeat neverendingly : "we have not catched the rioters. They burn cars and hide away". And every evening, the so called hiding impossible to find rioters are interviewed by the french press !!!! "yeah we are angry, we blow everything up because now we want money, and we want all the cops out of the suburbs RIGHT NOW, or we will keep on burning everything"...

Well, it seems that journalists find rioters easily huh. Maybe we should allow journalists to arrest them...And the police would make the interviews afterwards.

I tell you, if the Gvt does not move its fat ass, citizens are gonna react, and defend themselves.

Many of you may think that I'm doing french bashing. It is not the case. I am french, and actually I love France. But I am fed up with our Gvt.

Vincent

Originally posted by Corsicaman
Well, it seems that journalists find rioters easily huh. Maybe we should allow journalists to arrest them...And the police would make the interviews afterwards.

I tell you, if the Gvt does not move its fat ass, citizens are gonna react, and defend themselves.

I think the citizens do need to stand up and react and protect themselves and their neighborhoods because it looks like the police are going way too easy on the criminals. I've been saying for the last few days that they need to replace those rubber bullets with real bullets. They should then deport the ones that they didn't kill.

This is making me very angry to watch what's happening over there.

I noticed the same thing with the reporters BTW.
Maybe the police should cooperate with the media to track these guys down.

Your call for "deportation" just displays how little you know about the situation over there.

How is france going to to "deport" it's own citizens ? Most of these youths are 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants, born in France and they have the french nationality...

want a better look on what the situation in some of those banlieu's is ? I suggest some people here go out and rent the french movie "La Haine" , sure it's fiction (and even funny), but it gives a good interpretation of the life in a Paris suburb. Carefull tho, you might learn something from it...

[edit on 4-11-2005 by XyZeR] edit: added url to movie review

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Originally posted by XyZeR
want a better look on what the situation in some of those banlieu's is ? I suggest some people here go out and rent the french movie "La Haine" , sure it's fiction (and even funny), but it gives a good interpretation of the life in a Paris suburb. Carefull tho, you might learn something from it...

That movie sounds like propaganda to make the criminals look like they are the good guys and the police who are trying to stop crime are the bad guys.

I won't waste my time with it because I have no sympathy for those who are a detriment to society, those who riot and rape and steal. They need to be killed.

No Justice No Peace!

Pretty simple.

Everybody has his Breaking-point - and I guess the French have just reached theirs.

Poverty, Unemployment, Race Discrimination, Lack of Education Services?

Promised Country, huh?

Originally posted by Souljah
Promised Country, huh?

They can leave and go back to whichever country they came from.
The French are not holding them hostage.

Originally posted by AceOfBase
They can leave and go back to whichever country they came from.
The French are not holding them hostage.

They are also not exactly Helping them to "Blend in" the French Society.

These people are living at the edges of the city, in concrete ghettos, without any future or perspective.

And they were in search for a better life - and they found themselves on a bottom of a so-called "Equality and Freedom"?

Does anybody remember what the French Empire did in their Former Colonies - the same countries, that these people came from, to look for a better Future?

I guess not anymore.

"What You Reap is What You Sow!"

I wonder why all Fromer Empires are having the SAME domestic Problems....

Originally posted by Souljah
Does anybody remember what the French Empire did in their Former Colonies - the same countries, that these people came from, to look for a better Future?

I guess not anymore.

"What You Reap is What You Sow!"

I wonder why all Fromer Empires are having the SAME domestic Problems....

Didn't some of those colonies formerly colonise parts of Europe?
I guess "What you reap is what you sow".

Lets look at the history of some of these places:

en.wikipedia.org...

For 300 years, beginning in the early sixteenth century, Algeria was a province of the Ottoman Empire under a regency that had Algiers as its capital (see Dey). During this period, the modern Algerian state began to emerge as a distinct territory between Tunisia and Morocco. Algeria and surrounding areas, collectively known as the Barbary States, were responsible for piracy in the Mediterranean Sea, as well as the enslaving of Christians, actions which brought them into the First and Second Barbary War with the United States of America.

I don't have pity for them.

[edit on 4-11-2005 by AceOfBase]

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Didn't some of those colonies formerly colonise parts of Europe?
I guess "What you reap is what you sow".

Lets look at the history of some of these places:

Damn Ace - I thought You knew better then this...

Shall we look at the History of Colonialism?

How many World Wars this Colonialism Started?

Wanna check out French Colonial Empire?

The French colonial empire began to fall apart during the Second World War, when various parts of their empire were occupied by foreign powers (Japan in Indochina, Britain in Syria and Lebanon, the US and Britain in Morocco and Algeria, and Germany in Tunisia). Although France's colonies were restored in 1945, France almost immediately had to engage in suppressing a bitter independence struggle in Indochina. When this ended with French defeat and withdrawal in 1954, the French almost immediately became involved in a new, and even harsher conflict in their oldest major colony, Algeria (see Algerian War of Independence, Nationalism and resistance in Algeria).

Compared to that Algeria is a small fishie in the ocean of sharks...

[edit on 4/11/05 by Souljah]

Originally posted by Souljah
Damn Ace - I thought You knew better then this...

Shall we look at the History of Colonialism?

How many World Wars this Colonialism Started?

Wanna check out French Colonial Empire?

We already know about the history of European colonialism but that history tends to ignore what occurred before it.

The Ottoman empire, which even conquered parts of Europe, was probably as large or larger than the French empire and probably just as brutal and even more oppressive. Many of the French colonies were just former ottoman possessions and most were only held for a short time.

[edit on 4-11-2005 by AceOfBase]

Originally posted by AceOfBase
We already know about the history of European colonialism but that history tends to ignore what occurred before it. The Ottoman empire, which even conqured parts of Europe, was probably as large or larger than the French empire and probably just as brutal and even more oppressive. Many of the French colonies were just former ottoman possessions and most were only held for a short time.

ERrrr... Ottoman Empire NEVER occupied parts of Wester Africa, like Senegal, Mali, Gambia, Cote d'Ivor - and alot of the people who are Rioting in France right now come from Africa, West and North.

I failed to miss your point here.

Problems that France faces today, with this Immigrants, go Way back into Colonial and Empire days of France.

People do not just Riot becuse they have nothing better to do.

People have no Jobs.

If they do not Work, they are Hungry.

If they are Hungry, they are Angry.

If this problem would be solved before - maybe the riots today would not happen.

But I somehow CAN'T forget some cases of FIRES that errupted during the summer, in old houses, full of Immigrants - again, many children died.

Why?

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Originally posted by Souljah
People have no Jobs.

If they do not Work, they are Hungry.

If they are Hungry, they are Angry.

If this problem would be solved before - maybe the riots today would not happen.

But I somehow CAN'T forget some cases of FIRES that errupted during the summer, in old houses, full of Immigrants - again, many children died.

Why?

Why is that the fault of the French Government?
Why don't they leave to try and find something better, like in a Muslim country where they wont face discrimination?

The fires in those buildings were not the fault of the French Government.
The French didn't put them in there.
They were illegally squatting in that building.


[edit on 4-11-2005 by AceOfBase]

Originally posted by AceOfBase
That movie sounds like propaganda to make the criminals look like they are the good guys and the police who are trying to stop crime are the bad guys.

I won't waste my time with it because I have no sympathy for those who are a detriment to society, those who riot and rape and steal. They need to be killed.

Have you actually SEEN the Movie, or are you just saying that from your head?

Movie is NOT a propaganda to make criminals look "cool". Movie is really an Anti-Violent and Anti-Hatred. For example, you have 3 best friends: a Jew, a Muslim and an African. Coexistance in the middle of France? There are Riots similar to the ones Today, and the reason is also very similar - a death of a Young Man.

Its a Movie, that critises the Social Structure of France and how the Police works and how the People act and how the HATRED can not be stopped with police lines calling for backup. Its about a Society within a Society - when you go to Paris, an averege Tourist sees the Famous center of the City where 2 million WHITE folks live - but nobody goes the suburbs, where there is roughly 15 million people - mostly immigrants. And nobody gives a Damn about them - until something HAPPENS, so that they have to Make themselves be Heard. it was always like that - the problems are not visible, until they blow up in your face.

And there is a saying in the movie La Haine, that Fits this event Perfectly. About the human Society.

"Human Society is like a Man falling from a 30-store Building. He keeps saying to himself, "So far - so good. So far - so good. So far - so good." when he falls. But it does not matter how you fall, it matters how you LAND...."

Well, they are blowing up in the Face of France today.

And I already know what an averege "Civilized White Man" is going to answer - "What a Bunch of Little Terrorists!"




[edit on 4/11/05 by Souljah]

Originally posted by Souljah it was always like that - the problems are not visible, until they blow up in your face.

The problems are visible now and I hope the French realize what that problem is and work to correct it by deporting or killing those people.