NEWS: Paris Riots Spread To Twenty Suburbs

Originally posted by marg6043
That is what my point has been lately, within the good communities of peaceful emigrants from the middle east and other nations.
You always going to find the trouble makers lurking in the background trying to start wars within these nations.

People allways give those kind of excuses for the troublemakers. Because they are poor, low education, low everything, bla bla bla bla bla. I know some poor and uneducated people who have never done nothing like this. They have worked hard to reach a better life.

I say no more excuses, this kind of people have no respect at all for nothing. They don't feel Europeans or muslims they feel like belonging to nothing.

I also add that their parents are doing a bad job about educating their youth.

Throw them out of Europe.


Crustas


[edit on 5-1-2006 by crustas]

Originally posted by marg6043


I worry that these trouble markers has been groomed to start this kind of trouble in a world wide scale.

Yes my conspiracy mind is at work here, but can you imagine if in every city main city in the world riots and violence start under the excused of poverty and inequality and it happens to be from middle eastern people.

I do not think you are too far off Marg. Here is another topic running along similar lines where it states Islam will rule/conquer the world at least according to the president of Iran.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 1/5/2006 by shots]

You know Shots is very true, I have been thinking very hard how can Islamic radical can do the best damage of all.

Then I tell my self that is not through suicide bombers, or terrorist attacks that is just temporary.

The way the they can take over any nation is through the same peaceful communities of regular muslin people.

Through the young and gullible not the older people they have common sense but the young will rise against the nations that have given to their parents a place to find freedom and new beginnings.

No, I am not anti muslin or against anything I am the most fair person when it comes to people going to wanting freedom and peace.

But that is not the agenda of radical muslins and terrorist.

Not at all.

These sick puppys are at it again i just read today ...

Gang terrorizes train in France
By Marc Burleigh
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
January 5, 2006


PARIS -- A gang of more than 20 youths -- thought to be North African immigrants -- terrorized hundreds of train passengers in a rampage of violence, robbery and sexual assault on New Year's Day, French officials said yesterday.
washingtontimes.com...

I wonder if the governments are going to give away to this kind of behavior to be just politically correct.

I wonder also what will happen if that happen here in the US, I have the feeling that Americans will not tolerate that kind of assault to our nation.

Originally posted by marg6043
I wonder if the governments are going to give away to this kind of behavior to be just politically correct.

I wonder also what will happen if that happen here in the US, I have the feeling that Americans will not tolerate that kind of assault to our nation.

I dont understand the French they are just to scared to act or something, i have a feeling it will turn hardcore in France once there Right Wingers get voted in ?

If it started happening In America people would go ape i think there would be all sorts of Vigilante paybacks, hell the national guard would probably be called.

Happened in Australia recently with a wave of Middle Eastern racist crime against Australians(especially from Lebanese Muslims) over some years and 5000 people just had enough and rioted against them, same would happen in America i think.

Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Happened in Australia recently with a wave of Middle Eastern racist crime against Australians(especially from Lebanese Muslims) over some years and 5000 people just had enough and rioted against them, same would happen in America i think.

Doubtful. America has a mystique of keeping up vigilantism, but its generally looked down upon. What happened in Australia was that the lebanese riots got widespread because white australians started rioting on the lebanese. So they, rather understandably, freaked out. Not an excuse, and it was still stupid and illegal, just like it was stupid and illegal for the whites to have started rioting.
The basic problem in both France and Australia seems to be assimilation. Muslims have not assimilated into these countries. Part of it is 'them' wanting to retain their old folkways, and part of it is the 'natives' simply not accepting them.
In the US, the story is different. Far different from France, where there is already massive unemployment and a tense history with moorish muslims. In the US, the muslims and other middle-eastern immigrants have actually brought wealth with them, or at least a desire for wealth. And in the US, thats as good as gold. In the US they were also generally allowed to live their own way. With all immigrant populations, there is what is called the "Revolt of the Second Generation". The parents move to a new country, the kids try not to act like the parents. In the US, this meant being more 'american', dressing, talking, acting like non-immigrant americans and incorporateing into american culture. In france, this apparently has resulted in a violent revolt, where the younger generation is 'fed up' with the parents trying to integrate but failing.
Obviously the employment and other factors are very important in this situation too. But I think that it all comes down to assimilation. Countries and cultures that are good at assimlation and have a history of it won't experience these sorts of problems. Thus there aren't arab riots in detriot, and even the UK has less of a problem than france. Meanwhile places like australia, which used to have an immigration policy that amounted to 'whites only', are now experiencing problems. I've heard that turks in germany and the like are not too well accepted, and that there have bee rumblings in those communities too.

Hopefully the germans will keep their heads screwed on straight and recall the last time they freaked out over 'auslanders' and unassimlate/ungermanic minorities.

Originally posted by NygdanI've heard that turks in germany and the like are not too well accepted, and that there have bee rumblings in those communities too.

Hopefully the germans will keep their heads screwed on straight and recall the last time they freaked out over 'auslanders' and unassimlate/ungermanic minorities.

I've heard the Turks are not very accepting of the Germans but that most violence is between ethnic minorities like Turks fighting against Russian immigrants.

From what I've been reading about Germany on other forums the right-wing is very much looked down upon and right-wing demonstrations are very often met with violence so I don't think they will be going the endoslung route any time soon.

Well heres a perfect example in the news today.

Rumours went around about a Guest speaker about to attend a young Muslim camp in Chicago ? who had ties to Al Qaeda, they immediately started receiving death threats and had to move the entire camp to a secret Loacation.
www.chicagotribune.com...

Im telling you if these Guys start there Jihad crap in the USA, the Sydney riots will of looked like a grannys sewing club meeting in comparison, Americans are famous for kicking Arse, especially when its a well deserved kickin to !!

NumberCruncher, it is called Freedom of Speech.

Just because you dislike what someone is saying, doesn't give someone the right to threaten them with violence. In fact, what they are saying and what that person is saying are the same thing...violence against another person.

Originally posted by Odium
NumberCruncher, it is called Freedom of Speech.

Just because you dislike what someone is saying, doesn't give someone the right to threaten them with violence. In fact, what they are saying and what that person is saying are the same thing...violence against another person.

Im not denying anyone freedom of speech, where did i imply that ?

Im saying if they start Jihad on American soil, i would think Americans would kick there arse, am i wrong ?

Actually I am pretty sure that their secret location will not be that secret when it comes with our government surveillance.

And I bet it will be plenty of agents attending their meeting.

I hope.

Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Im telling you if these Guys start there Jihad crap in the USA, the Sydney riots will of looked like a grannys sewing club meeting in comparison, Americans are famous for kicking Arse, especially when its a well deserved kickin to !!

Originally posted by NumberCruncher
Im not denying anyone freedom of speech, where did i imply that ?

Im saying if they start Jihad on American soil, i would think Americans would kick there arse, am i wrong ?

I am sure the line is; "Deny Ignorance" not to spread it.

Wikipedia
Jihad (Arabic: جهاد jihād) is an Islamic term, from the Arabic root jhd ("to exert utmost effort, to strive, struggle"), which connotes a wide range of meanings: anything from an inward spiritual struggle to attain perfect faith to a political or military struggle to further the Islamic cause.

Let me see...
Jihad, Internal Struggle - now you see how it is going against the basics of Freedom Of Speech?

Originally posted by marg6043
I wonder if the governments are going to give away to this kind of behavior to be just politically correct.

Well France is for sure. After the riots first ended or so they claimed they considered 70/90 burning cars normal.
Ace also confirmed that figure or one very close to it at the time as sad as it is.

I wonder also what will happen if that happen here in the US, I have the feeling that Americans will not tolerate that kind of assault to our nation.

I would tend to agree with you that the US will not tolerate any similar behavior here in the US.

One can use the recent activity in Toledo where they had demonstrations as an example to show our police will not tolerate it. In that case just the thought that something might erupt had their forces out in full and as I recall they made around 6 arrests before the demonstrations even started which was a good thing.


Now on the current update where 20 in France attacked or acted up at a train station, all I can ask is why France cannot control a similar situation in thier country?

Oh and let us not forget Ace's Update where the burned 400 cars over the weekend

Again I ask where are the French police forces?

My guess is they are affraid to confront them as they should and that makes me

Originally posted by Odium


Let me see...
Jihad, Internal Struggle - now you see how it is going against the basics of Freedom Of Speech?

Im glad someone finally sees my point if they start Jihad inside America, Internal just like you say, im sure the Americans will sort them out!

No i dont see how this gos against freedom of speech. Freedom of speech also depends on what your saying to doesnt it ? Surely if there rally had a Al qaeda type person there preaching anti American hate they would get arrested ? Or American laws not gone that far yet ?

This is how it stands in Australia, you can go to Jail for doing it, If America doesnt have a similar law i would assume its not so far away, this is a new law in Australia. (im pretty sure its active now, if not soon)

inciting violence against the community to replace the existing sedition offence, to address problems with those who communicate inciting messages directed against other groups within our community, including against Australia’s forces overseas and in support of Australia’s enemies. This is consistent with the Gibbs Committee in its Review of Commonwealth Criminal Law in 1991 which recommended that the sedition offence should be updated and simplified and the maximum penalty increased from 3 to 7 years imprisonment.
www.pm.gov.au...

No...

Internal, as in inside their bodies. Their soul...it is a struggle to live by the Qu'ran. Did you bother to read my source whatsoever?

it says this in opening lines ...

Jihad (Arabic: جهاد jihād) is an Islamic term, from the Arabic root jhd ("to exert utmost effort, to strive, struggle"), which connotes a wide range of meanings: anything from an inward spiritual struggle to attain perfect faith to a political or military struggle to further the Islamic cause

So its says Inward as well as outward, means both. Means alot by looks of it.

You can Jihad bad thoughts, you can Jihad America, you can probably Jihad an overcooked Steak ......

Seems to be loose term to cover a struggle of any kind.

Yes, NumberCruncher it is a large term...so you are saying, they can't have a Jihad in America. Why not if it causes no harm to anyone?

Originally posted by Nygdan

The basic problem in both France and Australia seems to be assimilation. Muslims have not assimilated into these countries. Part of it is 'them' wanting to retain their old folkways, and part of it is the 'natives' simply not accepting them.

I think you're half right about that Nygdan. I think the reality of it isn't that they're wanting to retain they're old ways as much as it is wanting to force their ways on the existing culture. There is a big difference there. I don't think its the natives not accepting them as it is the natives aren't willing to succumb to their imposed changes. The very religion tends to direct them to try and thus we get the tension. Its not that they have trouble assimilating or wanting to assimilate, its that the existing culture refuses to radically change to accomodate them. Ever here someone say, "When in Rome, Do as the Romans" ? Well, we all pretty much know when traveling abroad that we are subject to that country's laws especially if we gain citizenship in said country.

Let me ask you this? If you liked the government and country of which you live, why would you move to a country that goes 180 degrees against your principles and lifestyle? Only one answer to that and I thinks its obvious.

Originally posted by astrocreep

Let me ask you this? If you liked the government and country of which you live, why would you move to a country that goes 180 degrees against your principles and lifestyle? Only one answer to that and I thinks its obvious.

Bingo!!!! that is what my worry is . . . how much this people are willing to assimilate or perhaps is not assimilation what they want but force their views upon the countries and communities they migrate as to change their way of lives.

Yes . . . when is done peacefully as to turn the natives change their believes and become one of then in their religious views is nothing wrong with that,.

US has plenty of Americans that have turned into muslin and is nothing wrong with that any more than Christianity does to attract followers.

But when is violence involve then it should be taking in consideration that perhaps is not assimilation what they want but the spread by force of their believes as to cause changes in their favor while disregarding the natives of that country cultural roots.