NEWS: Paris Riots Spread To Twenty Suburbs

This needs to be prevented ... but not by force! If the Governments use force against their own people it will lead to an overthrough of any government that did that.

We need to open up dialog with these factions and give them a voice.

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
This needs to be prevented ... but not by force! If the Governments use force against their own people it will lead to an overthrough of any government that did that.

We need to open up dialog with these factions and give them a voice.

Chirac has asked for that but they kept rioting.
When the people themselves are using force, on a level that we've seen for the last 11 nights, I don't think there's anything wrong with the government also using force to keep the scum in line.

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
This needs to be prevented ... but not by force! If the Governments use force against their own people it will lead to an overthrough of any government that did that.

We need to open up dialog with these factions and give them a voice.

So basically you want to teach them that violence is the best way for them to bring about change? It might be a good idea to open a dialogue with people in the poor communities to see what can be done to help them but not a dialogue with the rioters themselves. If you are going to make changes because of this violence than don't make it publicly known that the violence was the reason you made whatever changes you make. Otherwise any time in the future when people in your country want something changed they will see violence as a way to get those changes. The best way to deal with this is to be fair but lawful, bring in troops and give them permision to use deadly force IF deadly force is used against them. If the military puts a lot of troops onto the streets in a show of force than that alone may be enough to end the violence.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by Sabre262]

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
This needs to be prevented ... but not by force! If the Governments use force against their own people it will lead to an overthrough of any government that did that.

We need to open up dialog with these factions and give them a voice.

Chirac has asked for that but they kept rioting.
When the people themselves are using force, on a level that we've seen for the last 11 nights, I don't think there's anything wrong with the government also using force to keep the scum in line.

I've had it with this sort of hatefull posts here...by poeple who don't have the slightest idea why this is happening.


Get you facts straight
These rioting people(yep sorry to dissapoint you these are people) are not immigrants, they are 2nd or 3rd generation French citizens, they have the French nationality (hnce you couldn't deport them like some suggested here). Some of the posters here keep on insisting to call this "muslim riots" WHILE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH religion whatsoever !

Try to see the bigger picture as to why this is happening, try to inform yourself, try not to hate, as it clearly consumses one's "healthy way of thinking"

[edit on 7-11-2005 by XyZeR]

I suppose the media will keep saying it is muslim riots or the jihad of France. It's good for the NWO war effort to make them all islamo-fascist boogiemen trying to overthrow the Franco-socialist commissars of Europe.



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[edit on 7-11-2005 by Regenmacher]

If this rioting is truly about Muslim insurrection or covert Islamic expansion why have the muslim community leaders been calling for an end to the violence repeatedly. Surely they'd be egging these hot headed youths on to glory.

This is far more about all the usual suspects than it is about Islam.

In my opinion, this struggle is not about "Muslim occupation of Europe" .

I think, there is no doubt that in France (as in all of Europe) the hatred of the immigrants from Africa - both Muslim and non-Muslim - has very deep roots.
The achievement of Jean-Marie Le Pen in the most recent elections was sad proof of that.

BUT:

Arson against schools, warehouses and cars - and ultimately, people - is outside the guidelines of "understandable" social or religious protest. This is not protest; it is criminality, pure and simple.

France is in flames. Not the elegant, discreet, bourgeois France that is Paris and the great cities. Not the countryside, where the late grape harvest is peacefully nearing its end and the white cows graze untroubled, as they have for generations. But the other France: the France that is marooned between town and country, shut away behind ugly concrete walls, confined inside rotting tower blocks: the France of the cités, the banlieues and the quartiers difficiles. The France that has failed.

ANY Religion and ANY Race would stand up for their Rights in this case - so I ask you Please, to stop pointing fingers at the Muslim Community, because YOU KNOW, that everybody would do the same in their Place.

I wonder if anyone has tried to Imagine how it is in their Shoes.

You think the Main Reason for these Riots is the fact that these Kids are Bored?

WRONG.

They have had Enough of Police Racism and Brutality.

They have had Enough of Isolation.

Police violence and racism are major factors. In April, an Amnesty International report criticised the "generalised impunity" with which the French police operated when it came to violent treatment of young men from African backgrounds during identity checks.

But the reason for the extent and intensity of the current riots is the provocative behaviour of the interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy. He called rioters "vermin", blamed "agents provocateurs" for manipulating "scum" and said the suburbs needed "to be cleaned out with Karsher" (a brand of industrial cleaner used to clean the mud off tractors).

Would YOU like to be called Scum or Vermin?

And I already know what the Majority of YOU is going to say right now:

"That's because they ARE!"

At times like this, think about, how would you react if was in their position.

Stop for a Second and Think.

You think MORE Violence is going to stop this?

Wrong - Violence never solves anything.

"[Interior minister Nicolas] Sarkozy provoked them - he insulted them. And the police, they hassle them - ID checks all the time. But when you've got no hope, you look at things differently. You don't care. Most of these kids' fathers have never had a proper job. Why should they think things will be different for them?"

Most Dangerous Kind - Young and Withoutny anything to Loose.

But hey - it's much easier to just critisize these Youths and laugh at France - the country, that did not want to Invade Iraq is Burning Today.

Independant

Guardian

This may sound like a stupid question, but eleven nights of riots? What are they doing to stop it? Is there even a curfew in place?

Why can't they get this situation under control? Whatever the solution I fear it will be uglier the longer this goes on. I hate to say it but at this point I don't think the police are enough to bring this back under control.

Originally posted by Souljah

Wrong - Violence never solves anything.

Interesting....

So why do you not blame the rioters?

Originally posted by Riwka

Originally posted by Souljah

Wrong - Violence never solves anything.

Interesting....

So why do you not blame the rioters?

Because VIOLENCE is all these Kids know.

It is all they ever knew in the Ghetto.

Violence and Hatred.

You know how a Ghetto looks like, right?

The only HOPE of you not falling into this Pit, is for you to GET OUT.

And in order to Get out, you need a Decent Job.

And you can not get a decent Job, becuse you are from the Ghetto.

And you run and run in the Circle, you can not get out.

And then the Cops come and call you Scum and "Sand Niggers" and few other Nice Names.

What a Great Life they have.

And now we all know, where they come from.

And if they would live within a dictature, you would not blame police violence because everybody does not know anything else?

Think twice, please.


France's biggest Muslim fundamentalist organisation, the Union for Islamic Organisations of France, has issued a fatwa, or religious decree, in a bid to help quell riots which have seen nearly 1,000 arrested in recent days.

The fatwa forbade all those “who seek divine grace from taking part in any action that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others”.




[edit on 7-11-2005 by Riwka]

Originally posted by Souljah
Because VIOLENCE is all these Kids know.

Oh Please Souljah.
Don't excuse what they're doing.
Vioence is all skinheads know and if they set a handicapped muslim woman on fire I doubt you'd excuse what they did.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by AceOfBase]

Now they're setting churches on fire and hitting infants with rocks!

CNN

Among the worst incidents reported -- rocks thrown at two buses hit a 13-month-old child in Colombe, an official with the Interior Ministry said. The child was in serious condition.

In the northern city of Rouen, a police barricade was set afire and a burning car was pushed into the police station; and in Strasbourg, near the German border, a school was torched.

A church was set ablaze in the southern fishing town of Sete and another in nearby Lens, Pas de Calais; two schools in the southeastern town of Saint-Etienne and a police station in the central France town of Clermont-Ferrand were torched, as was a social center in Seine-Saint-Denis, near the border with Switzerland.

They should burn down a mosque for every church that gets burned and burn down an Islamic school for every school that the muslim scum burn down.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by AceOfBase]

Originally posted by Riwka



France's biggest Muslim fundamentalist organisation, the Union for Islamic Organisations of France, has issued a fatwa, or religious decree, in a bid to help quell riots which have seen nearly 1,000 arrested in recent days.

The fatwa forbade all those “who seek divine grace from taking part in any action that "blindly strikes" private or public property or can harm others”.


[edit on 7-11-2005 by Riwka]

well, that is a caveat.."blindly strikes"...according to some few replies
these are not actions of rioters...this is a campaign by the unjustly persecuted.
therefore none of the escalating reactions of violence are acts
which 'blindly strike' at authority or public/private/ property or institutions.

essentially, the plea by that Union for Islamist Orgs.,
is a joke which the 'rebellious youth' see thru straight-away,
as just lip-service to the French Gov't.

?Beginning of Jihad in Europe? = article title
www.msnbc.com...

Originally posted by AceOfBase
They should burn down a mosque for every church that gets burned and burn down an Islamic school for every school that the muslim scum burn down.

This is disgraceful and you sound like a rabid extremist. What you are promoting is exactly what you are protesting against. Burn down mosques?! I haven't even seen any proof that says the rioters are all moslem yet you and others want vengence on them specifically and seem to be salivating over any opportunity to slander them. Judging by many posts in this thread I doubt they'll be enough white sheets to go around.

Originally posted by riley
This is disgraceful and you sound like a rabid extremist. What you are promoting is exactly what you are protesting against. Burn down mosques?! I haven't even seen any proof that says the rioters are all moslem yet you and others want vengence on them specifically and seem to be salivating over any opportunity to slander them.

You are in denial and are purposely not seeing the ethnicity of the rioters if you claim you don't have proof they are muslims. The riots are over the deaths of two muslim boys from muslim neighborhoods. The neighborhoods where the riots initially started all had a muslim majority.

Do you think Christian rioters set fire to the church?
I think you know better than that. It was muslims.

BTW, why did you save your outrage for me, for merely suggesting that a mosque be burned, when you don't show and outrage for the church that really was burned?

[edit on 7-11-2005 by AceOfBase]

It looks like there may be some rioting in Germany and Belgium too.

brusselsjournal

Will the whole of Europe be burning by next week? As was expected, the Muslim insurgency did not stop at the French borders. Last night five cars were torched in Berlin. The cars were set alight in five different streets of Moabit, an immigrant neighbourhood of Berlin, and the Tiergarten area, only a few kilometres away from the seat of the German government. The German police are investigating whether the incidents can be linked to the events in France. Meanwhile, the Berlin police announced that they will step up their presence.

In Brussels, too, five cars were destroyed by fire last night. The cars were parked in Sint-Gillis, one of Brussels’ Muslim quarters. Sint-Gillis is the area surrounding Brussels’ Midi Station, where the Eurostar trains from London arrive. It is barely three kilometres from the European Parliament. The Belgian authorities admitted that cars had been destroyed, but is reluctant to give more details because “the Brussels Fire Brigade is providing no further information in order to avoid knowledge of these acts of violence spreading.” Believe it or not, that is the official explanation. According to the Brussels police there were “only a small number of youths on the Brussels streets.” National radio said this morning that everything is calm. People do not believe it.

I don't think it's just a coincidence that this happened in muslim and immigrant areas.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by AceOfBase]

I don't approve of the violence but it's the only way of sounding the alarm. We demand equality of opportunity.

Is that SO Much to ask?

Even in the civil service, we are victimised. We have to work twice as hard as white French people. That's the problem with France - institutional racism.

The Problem has been stirring for a long, long time before it came out like this events we see today. Ask the People - they will tell you whats wrong, and why these Youths are Rioting.

Everything Happens for a Reason - and the Reason here is NOT, that they are Radical Islamists.

The police did nothing to stop those kids running 1,000 metres to their deaths at an electricity sub-station. If they want peace, we need justice. Respect must be mutual.
- Bilal, 29, civil servant -

You always GET what you GIVE - and LOOK what the French have given these People.

Look for the Results Today.

The police come and hassle us all the time. They ask us for our papers 10 times a day. They treat us like delinquents - especially [Interior Minister Nicolas] Sarkozy. That's not the answer. It's not good to burn cars but that's one way of getting attention, so people can come and solve our problems.
- Mehmet Altun, 15 -

Do you think these People are Treated as Human Beings - do they have the Same Choices and the Same Opportunites as the White French?

We just want to be recognised as human beings, instead of being seen as Arabs or blacks.
- Maratt Sabek -

Racism Everyday.

"But I do see racism every day. People's faces change as soon as they see a black or Arab face. The death of those boys was the straw that broke the camel's back."
- Ziwyana Cherif -

Paris riot suburb residents

NOW would be a Good Time to start a Dialog - before Somebody gets Killed.

Too Late.

French riots claim first victim

Now things will Really get out of Hand...

Originally posted by Souljah
Everything Happens for a Reason - and the Reason here is NOT, that they are Radical Islamists.
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You always GET what you GIVE - and LOOK what the French have given these People.

Look at what the Muslims have given the French people who allowed them into their country. Violence and racism against the native population. Everything happens for a reason and the reason for French racism towards the muslims may be due to the actions of the muslims.

[edit on 7-11-2005 by AceOfBase]