How Many Believe in God?

Originally posted by cheybea
If there was no God, we would be "accidents", the result of astronomical random chance in the universe.
....then life would have no purpose or meaning or significance. There would be no right or wrong, and no hope beyond your brief years here on earth.

Maybe that's the case. If your philosophy is of the existentialist persuasion, then that is definately the case. I'm not advocating that point of view, but until we discover and prove what exactly is the case - it doesn't matter what you believe with your ego - it has to be accepted as an equally plausable possibility.

Religion deals with faith, with faith you have doubt.

Science deals with facts, with facts you have answers

Originally posted by Koka
Religion deals with faith, with faith you have doubt.

Science deals with facts, with facts you have answers

Then why does science beleive in evolution or abiogenesis? Why? Let me tell you why, simply put it is the only way that science can explain away a creator, however both are based on faith themselves. So, science doesn't deal with faith does it?

Originally posted by BlackJackal
Then why does science beleive in evolution or abiogenesis? Why? Let me tell you why, simply put it is the only way that science can explain away a creator, however both are based on faith themselves. So, science doesn't deal with faith does it?

It's not fact. It's only theory. As of now, it's still the best scientific theory we have. Religion has no place in the scientific community, so it's not even an option. Most any scientific minded person will tell you that believing something does not make it fact. Although, almost all scientific discoveries start with an idea, or belief, do they not?

For those who feel like they need a "god" to have a purpose. Why? Your purpose is to survive and reproduce. That's all....plain and simple. What else could there possibly be?

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There Is No Such Thing As A God In My Opinion, Maybe There Was But Now Religion Is The Best Man Made Goverment...

In Years To Come They Will Find A New Page Of The Bible That Should Belong At The Front And It Will State

To My Darling Susan
All Characters Depicted In This Book Are Fictionous
Any likeness To Anyoe Living Or Dead is Purely Coincidental.

It is only the best scientific theory because of the reluctance of the scientific community to let it go. The theory of Abiogenesis and Evolution are so improbable that any other theory of science would have been abandoned years ago. Scientists need to look for a better answer rather than trying to fit a sqaure peg into a round hole to satisfy their current beleifs. The fact is that scientists honestly beleive that evolution and abiogenesis are facts and will try to prove it at all costs rather than discovering the real origins of life.

I don't think that's true at all. If a better theory is discovered, I'm sure many, if not all of the scientific community will stand ready to start analyzing it. Good scientists don't try to prove things true. They come up with a good theory and try to disprove it. And improbable?! Why? You believe in a big giant entity who lives in the sky and created everything, yet evolution is too improbable!?

Yes, I beleive in a Creator simply because life is too complex to have happened by chance. I don't know who the creator was but I cannot beleive that we all came from particles accidently bumping into one another. Another thing is that this life from nothing theory should be very easy to conduct in the lab however it has never happened.

Yeah but With Peace Isnt The Answer, Life Right Now As
It Is Today Will Not Get Any Better Technology Will But
Society Will Stay The Same...

Originally posted by Koka
Religion deals with faith, with faith you have doubt.

Science deals with facts, with facts you have answers

Religion "deals" with a lot more than just faith.
And "with faith you have doubt" is utter nonsense, doubt is the direct opposite of faith.
Science does not deal with factsonly, science today still has a lot to do with assuming and incomplete theories and models, so the "with facts you have answers" part does not really apply here.

Why is this in ATS for so long? What is the consperacy?

Originally posted by Jonna
Why is this in ATS for so long? What is the consperacy?

It was created before that rule came into strict effect. (Before BTS, I believe) I wish you wouldn't have mentioned it. Now it'll probably get moved and just die. I don't even go to BTS. It's lame, IMO. The conspiracy is religion, itself. Use your imagination.

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Originally posted by Satyr
Use your imagination.

I have none; I am a robot. Beep, beep!

I just don't see why other threads should be held to a different standard then this one. Either leave them all in or take them all out, but be consistant. Don't get mad at me as I am just going by the supposed rules.

Knowing why people believe what they do helps to understand why people still subscribe to the age old conspiracy. So, it can be considered related, IMO. Will you stop going off topic now?

You can deduce that you can't prove that God doesn't exist from the principle of absolute knowledge.

"There is no gold in China

That is an absolute statement. To prove that it is true I need absolute knowledge of everything in China. I need to know that there is not 1 molecule of gold under some rock at the bottom of some river somewhere in China.

Humans posses only about 1 billion trillionth of 1% of the knowledge in the universe so we obviously can't prove that God doesn't exist. Especially considering many definitions of God would place him outside the universe and time itself as the creator of all things therefore applying human logic to reason that God doesn't exist is simply futile.

This would make the atheist ignorant. God doesn't believe in atheists anyway

Originally posted by TenPin
That is an absolute statement. To prove that it is true I need absolute knowledge of everything in China. I need to know that there is not 1 molecule of gold under some rock at the bottom of some river somewhere in China.

Humans posses only about 1 billion trillionth of 1% of the knowledge in the universe so we obviously can't prove that God doesn't exist. Especially considering many definitions of God would place him outside the universe and time itself as the creator of all things therefore applying human logic to reason that God doesn't exist is simply futile.

This would make the atheist ignorant. God doesn't believe in atheists anyway

So, following your reasoning, I can say, "Monkeys don't fly out of your butt.", and you can't prove that it's not true. Just because a monkey has never flown out of anyone's butt, doesn't mean that it can't happen, right? So, in saying that, it is a definite possibility that monkeys can fly out of your butt, since you can't prove it can't happen? Give me a break! I'm sorry, but that's what I call anti-logic.

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Originally posted by Satyr
So, following your reasoning, I can say, "Monkeys don't fly out of your butt.", and you can't prove that it's not true. Just because a monkey has never flown out of anyone's butt, doesn't mean that it can't happen, right?

So, in saying that, it is a definite possibility that monkeys can fly out of your butt, since you can't prove it can't happen?

Give me a break!

I'm sorry, but that's what I call anti-logic.

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My point is that with a small amount of intelligent thought it is plain to see that you can't say that God can't exist because we know so little about the universe.

There is also the issue that God defies human reason because he created all things and thus would ultimately be capable of preventing us from knowing this although I personally think the proof of God is plain to see.

[Edited on 19/5/2004 by TenPin]

Originally posted by Paul

Maybe that's the case. If your philosophy is of the existentialist persuasion, then that is definately the case. I'm not advocating that point of view, but until we discover and prove what exactly is the case - it doesn't matter what you believe with your ego - it has to be accepted as an equally plausable possibility.

....ok...

1) I believe in God/Infinite Being/Creator of the Universe
2) Why? Logically, it makes sense. The first molecule must've come from something that was outside the realm of time and space = infinite being. A painting has a painter, a baby has a parent, a universe - all of existence has a Creator.

3) Judaism. You all should look into it.. or at least look into the 7 laws of Noah for gentiles. It is the only religion that is knowledge/evidence based. We do not rely on belief or blind faith but pure knowledge. Judaism and science DO NOT contradict. The 7 days of creation occurred before God created time and so the universe could appear to be 14 billion years old and yet could only be 5764 years old.

For info on Judaism - www.aish.com

well religion is a delicate topic. everyone has their own reason to believe in their specific religion or god. but how can you be so sure that your god is the only one? or that your religion is the only right one? in the end it's nothing more then a feeling. to me religion is nothing more then a tool used to gather "hope". why in all religions is man portrayed as the image of god and god's pet? i think we're big-headed and naive thinking that we're the only lifeforms and are far superior.

as for me...i believe what i FEEL is right.

God created earth followed by adam and eve in the beautifull garden of eden. god then gave the earth to adam and eve. earth is the world of man and their free will. then adam and eve were tempted by many things. the snake, the fruits and eventually fell for it and lost the planet to satan. now he is the one that rules. he's the only active "god" around. he turned religion in a tool and means to cause temptation and indifference among man. Man who stil posseses his free will is easily tempted and corrupted for evil. lots of war, killings, deseases etc etc... and this is where religion comes in these days. nothing more then a tool used to give ppl "hope" that some day it will be all ok again and make life a bit more bearable.

Jesus was born as a man. angles are nothing more but slaves to god, but man has the power to come close to god. after all the trouble man caused....jesus even repented and went to hell for us to safe the lost souls and still man messes up. god flooded the earth to wipe us out and start over again. this is our 3rd chance and we're messing up again with world wars and conflicts.

man posses the internal power to turn the world around. but so far we're all to stupid to learn from our own mistakes and actually make a united effort.

thats what i used to think, but altered it over time. this is because it is the foundation of what i believe in.

Gods do not excist in my eyes. no...if there are truly gods they're playing some crappy games with us. and if it was possible i'd kill em.

I've been comparing parts of the bible with other life out of this earth. piramids in egypt standing same as the orion belt as well as the pyramids on mars. the face on mars. all made me think we're nothing but an experiment of aliens.

superior beings made mankind on mars. at that time still close enough to the sun to be habitable. the face of mars shows a monkey like face which could be our encasters. eventually mars drifted away from the sun and became to cold and barrent o maintain life. thus the alien life forms came to earth and restart/continue.

the "holy spirit" that wrote the bible was in my eyes nothing more then an alien. at that time man was still primitive when it comes to technology and paranormal activities. and because man did not understand they tagged these aliens as gods. now man is slowly getting to understand technology. these aliens tought us the basics and its up to us to develop/evolve ourselves further. Even slower we're starting to understand paranormal activity. and thus become "gods" ourselves in due time.

since we're part of these aliens it doesn't suprise me that man has talent for paranomal activities. but its more strongly present in some then in others. everywhere you see references that man is an image from god, but i think we're an image of an alien race. a race far ahead in evolution.

only thing that bothers me is... we're slowly becoming gods ourselves. nothing wrong with that. but how will man, that is so easily to corrupt, going to make sure it wont destroy itself?

in short. in my eyes religious texts and alien life forms and technology are connected with one another. the bible for excample is a "guide" with references, but there are so many "holy books" that in my eyes its a different experience for each culture on how they dealt with superior beings. these references need to be looked at with a critical eye. we're all in charge of our own lives and decisions and the strenght comes from ourselves knowing there is no one that can help you except yourself. there are no "gods" present. it's up to us.

[Edited on 18-5-2004 by Enyalius]