Where the heck are the terrorists?

Originally posted by nukunuku

Originally posted by Watchman77
IF the government has lied to us in so many areas how are we to trust anything they have told us?

Trust the government? Are you completely bonkers

People shouldnt trust governments, they should beat them with sticks all the time and cross check everythiing they do. Thats why we have free media...only now the media is corrupt as well and works along the government...well with few exeptions

Never trust the ones with power, becouse power corrupts the mind

i always wondered if we could trust our goverment one day i saw a car with a bumper sticker that said something along the lines of ask a native american if we can trust the goverment something like that point is its funny cause its true and its sad cause its true also

Originally posted by rstrik
Can anybody honestly who actually lives in the US post something they have had taken away from them? I hear this crap on ATS all the time and nobody can provide me with a freedom you "lost". I've been living my same normal life for the last 5 years and can't find one thing I am or have to do differently than I did in the past. The only people who are affected by these laws being passed are the ones who deserve to be. I know many many people and can honestly say never heard one person say " I just lost the right to ......" or "I can't do this because of that stupid terrorist act that just passed".

this country is great... having said that our rights are being taken away slowly day by day alof ot people are ignorant, in denial, or dont care. now what they do down here in the lonestar state is random traffic checks. you could be driving down the street and bam a long list of cars 4 cops checkin each car that passes they want to get in ur car check the trunk and everything. if you ask them why its to deter drunk driving. o yeah officer im drunk driving at 2 in the afternoon and i have a couple of drunk buddies in my trunk.alot of cops are cool some want to be a holes ive been close to calling 911 myself to get a co out there. ive told cops before that they can look in my car but my glove compartment and my trunk are locked and are going to stay that way. there alot of new ideas coming out that are good like rfid inspection stickers yeah were gettin those down here i dont think i read a article about it on abs yet... those are great how can you not have ur kids implanted with one its inhuman what if they scrape a knee....!!!! then again according to the quote nothing takes our rights away so lets all get rfid implants

Originally posted by Watchman77
All this is only true IF you believe the "official" reports. I DON'T. I don't believe much of anything this government or the mainstream media tell us, there are to many reasons not to.

If you just dismiss the "official" reports and the MSM without any discernment of what they have to say, you are giving them more power and stealing power from yourself. If more people begin to believe like that, the MSM could tell the stark, naked truth and no one would believe it.

Remember, the best lies are those mixed with the truth. Watch the news with discernment. Read official reports with discernment. Do not dismiss it all, because there is truth in there. You just have to find it. These same principles need to be applied to our spiritual journeys, too, but I suspect you already are aware of that.

no offense to anyone and im sure im goin to get reemed by a lot of you but all this "the government or russia created katrina and rita, the government is behind 9/11, the government created al qeadia, the government will be behind a nuke attack on its own soil, the illuminati is taking over, the government this the government that"

it seems alot of you are living a "movie" life to put it simply. Looking so deep into things for the most extreme possible answers normaly isnt the true answer.

granted there are so many things which the public does not know about, however to sit there and say the illuminati is behind things and to say bush sat there and said, lets fly a building into WTC so we can get some oil is obsurd.

whsky, you will most likely be ridiclued for that. I agree with you completely, though. Don't let people's insults and opinions of you change what you believe, though. Glad to see you're taking a stand

Originally posted by junglejake
whsky, you will most likely be ridiclued for that. I agree with you completely, though. Don't let people's insults and opinions of you change what you believe, though. Glad to see you're taking a stand

haha o im fully aware of the comments to follow, and i appreciate the support. This is a "consiracy" influenced site which brought me to the message board. I enjoy reading how others feel about things.

but like i said, its comes off as a lot of people question things just to question them, or look for the most complicated, outragous scenerio to answer their questions.

im sorry, but i dont see people sitting around a table, developing a plan to kill 3000+ americans (outside of going to war) by flying a plane into a building, just to sit there and say "now we can claim to fight terrorist which in turn we can say iraq has WMD's which in turn will lead us to more oil."

then leave enough traces of evidence for a group of people to find, talk about it on a message board and claim it was all a conspiracy.

If there really was a strong question about what really happened, trust me there would be plenty of people who would oppose it within the hire rankings of the government to act upon the issue in one way or another. its a proven fact that there is a thirst for power, therfore someone would of used this to overthrow bush already. A unsupported war is one thing, but attacking your own people for the purpose of war would be another, and something would have been done about it. If you all could figure it out, wouldnt authority figures with true resources opposed to bush have acted on it already, if it were the truth?

then this whole government created super hurricane non sense? come on now.

anyway no matter what you think, there are people out there who truly hate this country, and they will attempt to weaken it. Do they have nukes in the country, i feel they dont.

it is interesting however to see all these nuke drills, northcom, homelandsecurity soldier dispersment, and so called nuke retaliation plan surface as of world nut daily's recent american hiroshima deal. Kinda makes you wonder what they know that we dont.

heres a question, do you tell the public there is a nuke hoping to make things difficult and to get the public to be on the look out. These actions would risk panic, economic and a mental collapse within the country

or.....

do you keep it hush hush hoping intel and a terrorist slip up helps to thrawt the plan. The risk however would be detonation, and most likly the public screaming "why didnt you do somthin if there was a nuke"

[edit on 22-9-2005 by whskybarjd67]

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Originally posted by rstrik
I'm sorry but the conspiracy theories revolving around these large scale incidents just don't make sense to me. If there was one slight mistake in such a plan and it was revealed this country would be turned upside down in anarchy. The risk vs reward just don't match up for me.

There in lies the catch 22.

Even those non "Bush administration supporters" who might be in the know could never use this against them because they are either too concerned with their own agendas or, deep down, they still do love this country and realize what it would do to America if this came to light. It would be chaos if these actions were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Riots and bloodshed on a national scale, in short, anarchy.

So instead they play the game, passing legislation to quiet whomever they wish in hopes of saving what country we have left, or, to cling to the status they still maintain as the privileged "upper crust".




[edit on 23/9/05 by redmage]

why dont you all just shut up and instead of argueing about this crap do something to help our country out. Oh yea "gas prices" and "we cant fly without nailclippers " WHO CARES! Once you come up to me and say i was in a firefight and my buddy took a bullet, then ill listen to you, when you say my brother died trying to save 20 civilians from a suicide bomber then ill listen, when you say this kind of stuff ill listen because i know what it feels like. im sick and tired of this crap, a bunch of people crying about worthless stuff, yea what would you say if you see your 2 best buddies walkin out to do a patrol and you dont know if youll ever see them agian, why dont you wake up and look at reality. Reality is that we never complain no matter what we see or why we are were we are, miles from home fighting , People dont understand why we do it, and they never will.

Let me start off by saying, I am not your average "Bush basher" I actually liked the man when he first ran for President & supported him strongly. I was very relieved when he became President & thought maybe America was going to get a decent man for a leader, which confused me since I believe we are in a time when all leaders will be corrupt & wicked.
But it didn't take long for Bush to start showing his true colors with his attack on the Afghanistan people. The things he was doing did not line up with what I believe a christian would do, so I started to research him & did not like what I found.
I am a watcher, I pay attention to the smallest details & very little gets by me... I do not say these things lightly. I have been studying Bush & his bunch for the past 4 years & I KNOW that they are up to no good.
I understand that the idea of a weather machine that controls & manipulates weather is a bit hard to believe & even harder to believe is that the American government is using it to destroy Americans, but there is plenty of evidence out there that this is in fact happening. Please don't ask me to "show you the evidence" because you can search for it yourself if you are interested, why should I do all the work for you. Although I do have plenty of it posted in a forum I moderate on Delphi for those of you who don't want to spend the time tracking it down.
I am not crazy, I am not stupid. I am concerned that the America I have known for over 50 years has died & the New America will be a nightmare for millions of people. I KNOW things that I have a duty to tell others about. These things are NOT just my opinion, like I said I have found plenty of evidence to support my conclusion.
As far as my "discernment" goes, I know the truth when I hear it so when the MSM tell the truth, I hear, but unfortunately most of what they say is nothing more than government sponsored propaganda.
Believe me the "absurdity" of this situation has not escaped me, but I have sworn an oath to the truth & I cannot back down when I know a thing to be true. This is something I have been studying & researching for the past 3-4 years, Tesla DID invent a weather machine back in the early 1900 & the US & Russian governments have been improving the idea for years.. To think that weather machines are non-existent is to hide your head in the sand & be ignorant.
There are UN charters & regulations on the use of weather manipulation as a weapon against other countries, IF there was no chance of this then WHY do they need charters & rules regarding a non-existent weapon?
It isn't JUST about oil although oil plays a BIG part in the whole thing, it is about world dominion. These people want to control the world, they want to bring world population down to a "substainable" level, they want to restore the natural beauty & wildlands to America, they want to wipe out hunger & poverty by wiping out the poor & hungry. This is real, this is NOT a crazy conspiracy theory that has no foundation. These things are happening before our very eyes, the ability to control & manipulate these hurricanes has made giant steps in realizing this grand scheme.
Check out topics like, Tesla, HAARP, REX 84, Rewilding America, UN charter on population reduction detention camps in America just to name a few.
I am an intelligent person, & as I said I gnaw on something like a dog with a bone until I get every bit of meat out of it I DID NOT come to these conclusion lightly. I did not want to believe these things, I spend months trying to convince myself I was somehow mistaken, that this was not really what was happening, but the more I tried to find evidence that I was wrong the more convinced I became that I am right.

Originally posted by redmage

Originally posted by rstrik
I'm sorry but the conspiracy theories revolving around these large scale incidents just don't make sense to me. If there was one slight mistake in such a plan and it was revealed this country would be turned upside down in anarchy. The risk vs reward just don't match up for me.

There in lies the catch 22.

Even those non "Bush administration supporters" who might be in the know could never use this against them because they are either too concerned with their own agendas or, deep down, they still do love this country and realize what it would do to America if this came to light. It would be chaos if these actions were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Riots and bloodshed on a national scale, in short, anarchy.

So instead they play the game, passing legislation to quiet whomever they wish in hopes of saving what country we have left, or, to cling to the status they still maintain as the privileged "upper crust".




[edit on 23/9/05 by redmage]

Also there has been a lot of administration shuffling going on, plus IF these people are really as bad as I believe them to be they would not be above blackmail & murder. And just about everyone has something to be blackmailed with... most people can be very easily manipulated if they are put in fear for the life of a loved one.
To be honest with you I believe that is how John Roberts became Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

Originally posted by Danie
why dont you all just shut up and instead of argueing about this crap do something to help our country out. Oh yea "gas prices" and "we cant fly without nailclippers " WHO CARES! Once you come up to me and say i was in a firefight and my buddy took a bullet, then ill listen to you, when you say my brother died trying to save 20 civilians from a suicide bomber then ill listen, when you say this kind of stuff ill listen because i know what it feels like. im sick and tired of this crap, a bunch of people crying about worthless stuff, yea what would you say if you see your 2 best buddies walkin out to do a patrol and you dont know if youll ever see them agian, why dont you wake up and look at reality. Reality is that we never complain no matter what we see or why we are were we are, miles from home fighting , People dont understand why we do it, and they never will.

"Our's is not to question why, our's is just to do or die!"
I AM NOT A MARINE! I am an American citizen, & I have every right in the world to question & challenge an administration I believe is killing Americans & destroying America. IF you want to be a mindless robot & do what you are told like a "good" soldier, then go right ahead, that is your right, but MY RIGHT is to point out wrong when I see it.
No offence but your two buddies don't have any more "right to life" than the Afghanistan & Iraqi people, American blood is NOT more sacred to God than the blood of Arabs.
I understand completely, you are braindwashed into believing that you are defending America & for the sake of your sanity you cannot even consider that it is all a lie.
And for the record, What right do you have to tell others to shut-up? This is exactly my point, when did patriotism become blind obedience? When did the "right to free speech" become only a right to those who agree with the government?

Im sorry, you are right, you are entiltled to your opinion, i was very pissed off at the moment because something just had happened,

But you think soilders want to be over here, miles from my family? of course not, but when you see the things that theyve seen, you dont complain, it something you cant explain, something that makes you think, God if i couldve only stoped it, done something so things couldve turned out differently, what if these were my children? People dont understand the reason we join up and fight. they say we think were heroes, maybe its true, but as soon as the shooting starts, no one asks to be heroes, no one wants to be the hero, its about your buddies, theyre the heroes, im not asking you to understand, because its something that we dont understand, and maybe well never understand.

I've read about and seen documentaries about biblical prophecies and it's said that we will won't fall to an outside power but rather implode from within. As we see now, this is occuring through natural catastophies which will increase in frequency and magnitude (earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.) as well as manmade (a nuclear attack against an american city - note: with out borders pretty wide open, this shouldn't be too difficult for those motivated enough).

Being 37 y.o., i'm totally confused how our society could have fallen so far in so short a time

Where are the terrorists?

Why, under the bed of course! That's where they live.

why dont you all just shut up and instead of argueing about this crap do something to help our country out.

Like what? Shoot some folks overseas? Thanks, but I'll stick to helping myself and my family. The idea of this country has always been worth fighting for, the but the current incarnation of this country isn't worth fighting for, nevermind dying for.

I would sooner die for Disney of Exxon than I would America. I mean, after all, cut out the middle man, right?

That's what's so frustrating about the situation. People think they're fighting for America and Americans, but actually they're fighting, first and foremost, for the business interests that control our politicians.

It's sick, and sad, and all the deluded men and women who sacrifice for this frankenstein monster not only hurt themselves and their countrymen, but they help the beast grow stronger. Blood for oil doesn't mean exactly what most people think, at least not to me. To me, it means that this engine uses blood for lubrication instead of oil.

Oh yea "gas prices" and "we cant fly without nailclippers " WHO CARES!

I'm with you on that one, in spirit at least. But, two things. One, it's best not to insult the topics or posters on this board, since you can't do a damn thing about either short of leaving and not coming back. Second, people preoccupy themselves with a lot of stupid nonsense, that's a fact of life.

You can't expect everyone to understand or support the armed forces when we can't get basic services like schools and health care. Whatever your reasons are for fighting, most people won't understand. Maybe you're doing the right thing, maybe not.

But you can't escape the decision you made, the decision your buddies made. You could be home, suffering the domestic problems like the rest of us, which, bad as those problems are, don't compare to getting shot at for a living.

Once you come up to me and say i was in a firefight and my buddy took a bullet, then ill listen to you, when you say my brother died trying to save 20 civilians from a suicide bomber then ill listen, when you say this kind of stuff ill listen because i know what it feels like.

Decisions, decisions, they all have one thing in common, consequences.

im sick and tired of this crap, a bunch of people crying about worthless stuff, yea what would you say if you see your 2 best buddies walkin out to do a patrol and you dont know if youll ever see them agian, why dont you wake up and look at reality.

Maybe your buddies would be better off at home with their families. Then they wouldn't have to go out on patrol, and you wouldn't have to worry about losing them to enemy fire. I'm just sayin'...

Reality is that we never complain no matter what we see or why we are were we are

That's a load of crap. Soldiers complain more than practically everyone. They get the job done, no doubt, but don't even pretend y'all don't complain.

Complaints about the food, the weather, the commanders, the geography, the country, the people, the equipment, etc., etc..

Soldiers complain. Oh boy do they ever.

Like I said, a life chosen. Nobody put a gun to your head and made you join up, nobody forced your buddies to carry a rifle in the name of America.

I'm an American, and I'd just as soon have y'all home with your families.


[edit on 24-9-2005 by WyrdeOne]

Certainly you are an extremely Intelligent person. If I may be so bold as to ask, are you telling these things of importance to family, friends and neighbors? Are they in turn doing the same?

President Bush is George Bush Junior and not senior. He lacks for certain his Father's experience eg CIA. But his Dad no doubt is telling George things as he go's along. Seems to me George Bush Senior is under heavy U.S. security clearance oaths and can't tell his President Son all.

But can help guide GW if he wishes to hear his Dad? The thing is this. I feel GW screwed up a while ago and now knows it and cannot exactly retract his treatment of Canada, the United Nations as well as his staff that already left.

It's his last term, and I would think GW Bush must do right by the American people. But not allowing freedom to sue big business, standing down on health cost Insurances etc.. costs older Americans the right to feel secure in that way.

Bush was elected from money given to his Presidential campaign from big business. And he had to strike a deal if he were elected to the first and second term with Big Business, eg Oil and Insurance Corps. One deal was to aNOT allow law suits on the big Insurance.

Anyway..it gos on and on and..well..

Dallas

Originally posted by nukunuku
Never trust the ones with power, becouse power corrupts the mind

"We have a political system that awards office to the most ruthless, cunning, and selfish of mortals, then act surprised when those willing to do anything to win power are equally willing to do anything with it. "

-- Michael Rivero

[edit on 24-9-2005 by lilblam]

do me a favor and watch black hawk down, and really pay attention to the soilders, maybe youll understand what i dont, its not about politics, its about your buddies,theyre family, dont tell you dont know why were over here, when you watch a suicide bomber blow himself up and kill civilians, yea theyres oil and other crap but why dont you look at the positive, and youre right soilders do complain, but not as much as civilians cuz *gasp* gas prices.

Originally posted by Danie
do me a favor and watch black hawk down, and really pay attention to the soilders, maybe youll understand what i dont, its not about politics, its about your buddies,theyre family, dont tell you dont know why were over here, when you watch a suicide bomber blow himself up and kill civilians, yea theyres oil and other crap but why dont you look at the positive, and youre right soilders do complain, but not as much as civilians cuz *gasp* gas prices.

Many more civilians have been killed by the US army in Iraq now than all the suicide bombers combined. That and, you don't know who is responsible for the suicide bombers - for all you know, our government is responsible to create the necessary excuse to invade. So why assume that the government's version of who those people are and why they do what they do is the truth just because they say so?

Originally posted by lilblam

Originally posted by Danie
do me a favor and watch black hawk down, and really pay attention to the soilders, maybe youll understand what i dont, its not about politics, its about your buddies,theyre family, dont tell you dont know why were over here, when you watch a suicide bomber blow himself up and kill civilians, yea theyres oil and other crap but why dont you look at the positive, and youre right soilders do complain, but not as much as civilians cuz *gasp* gas prices.

Many more civilians have been killed by the US army in Iraq now than all the suicide bombers combined. That and, you don't know who is responsible for the suicide bombers - for all you know, our government is responsible to create the necessary excuse to invade. So why assume that the government's version of who those people are and why they do what they do is the truth just because they say so?

yea what do you think is their exscuse to kill civilians and what gives them a right to do that?

Are you saying were bad people because we kill the people that do this sort of thing?

since when is the life of one individual more valuable than the life of of 20?

these terrorist are not doing a good thing by killing civilians, if you believe so there is no point in argueing with you.

since when does the us army kill women and children, was there any reason to accuse the military of something like that?
in fact im sick of this, youll never understand until youre over here.

[edit on 25-9-2005 by Danie]

Do any of you understand the background of the Islamic terrorists?
They have an agenda to take over the world. It is a part of their history. they still live in the last millenium.
If the US govt has access to a weather machine why would they use it on thier own people before others?

[edit on 25/9/2005 by debbieanne]