Where the heck are the terrorists?

Heh, talk about a no-win situation. We get attacked, at which point the government gets condemned for not protecting us adequately, or we don't, at which point the government gets condemned for making the whole thing up.

How many terror attacks have been prevented on US soil since 9-11-01? You and I will never know. If we were to be informed by authorities of every attempted dirty bomb, every attempted chemical attack, every attempted explosion, we would not be able to get on with our lives due to fear. Think about some of the rhetoric you've heard coming out of the Middle East. Though it may not be the majority of Islam that believes as these nuts do, the nuts do! They want to kill us. They see us as the Great Satan. Some may try to claim Wag The Dog on these reports, but that mean America has all the world's presses in its pocket, in which case America already rules the world.

These people do exist, and I can only assume our intelligence agencies and criminal agencies have done a great job of preventing this scum from perpetrating their heinous actions.

Originally posted by junglejake
Heh, talk about a no-win situation. We get attacked, at which point the government gets condemned for not protecting us adequately, or we don't, at which point the government gets condemned for making the whole thing up.

How many terror attacks have been prevented on US soil since 9-11-01? You and I will never know. If we were to be informed by authorities of every attempted dirty bomb, every attempted chemical attack, every attempted explosion, we would not be able to get on with our lives due to fear. Think about some of the rhetoric you've heard coming out of the Middle East. Though it may not be the majority of Islam that believes as these nuts do, the nuts do! They want to kill us. They see us as the Great Satan. Some may try to claim Wag The Dog on these reports, but that mean America has all the world's presses in its pocket, in which case America already rules the world.

These people do exist, and I can only assume our intelligence agencies and criminal agencies have done a great job of preventing this scum from perpetrating their heinous actions.

The truth is we don't need terrorists to keep Americans in terror, our government is doing a good enough job... they are herding people into containment camps"for their own good ofcourse" this in & of itself is going to cause irrepairable damage to America.
We are well on the way to a national ID & microchipping is right around the corner, again "for out own good" & God only knows what kind of laws are going to go into effect at the next major disaster & trust me it isn't that far away.
Bush & his administration have just about destroyed America & according to the plan of the PNAC intend to rebuild a much better America, one without poverty & crime... do you really believe this is possible? The only way you can wipe out poverty & crime is by killing all the poor & lawless... when you start killing all the poor there are going to be a lot of lawless people.
I don't doubt that there are terrorists out there who desire to destroy America but I seriously doubt their ability to do so, as I am convinced that 9-11 & other "terrorists attacks" have actually been planned & carried out by the American government & that terrorists had little to do with them.
When Bush first ran for President in 2000 I was a strong supporter, believing he was in fact a "born-again christian", but after 9-11 when he attacked Afghanistan & killed all those innocent people quoting the bible while he was doing it, I had to rethink my position.
Being the kind of person who has to research a thing before I accepted it as truth, I started researching President Bush & his bunch... I have been doing this since. I have not only been shocked & dismayed by the things I have found I have been angered & completely disgusted by him & his family AND his "friends".
They are some of the most evil & deceptive bunch of people who have ever lived. It completely amazes me with their family history how that man ever became President. The only possible way is because of the ignorance of the American people when it comes to truth & unfortunately it appears that ignorance is most common in the christian religion, those who ought to know better I might say.
I have been making these "accusations" against Bush & his administration & will continue to do so until I die OR disappear... but unless you are willing to put in the time & effort I have put in on finding the truth about these people then you should go put your head back in the sand , but beware those with their head in the sand usually get kicked in the a**


[edit on 20-9-2005 by Watchman77]

Originally posted by Leon Bokhove
everything is still really unclear and I'm afraid certain things will never become clear to the 'regular' people.

IMHO it's pretty clear the Illuminati is finally making their move to bring in a New World Order, remember oh Papa Bush was the first to coin this phrase during his election, why should anyone believe the plan has changed when there is still a Bush in the White House.
Bush was very clear about how he was going to rebuild NO & the south coast make the houses bigger & better, does anyone believe that the poor black OR white families that were "relocated" will ever live in those big better houses? No, they will be living in little travel trailers in some FEMA detention camp somewhere completely forgotten about by the rest of society in a few years.
People better wake up because unless you are one of the elite OR willing to be one of the submissive worker class you will become an insurgent/terrorist & a danger to the greater good of humanity & will have to be eliminated.
I have spent the last 20 years warning people of these things to come NOW they are here & I am still trying to warn people but even with these things right in front of their eyes they still can't see what is happening...
"There are none so blind as those who will not see"....

Originally posted by nukunuku

Originally posted by Watchman77
IF the government has lied to us in so many areas how are we to trust anything they have told us?

Trust the government? Are you completely bonkers

People shouldnt trust governments, they should beat them with sticks all the time and cross check everythiing they do. Thats why we have free media...only now the media is corrupt as well and works along the government...well with few exeptions

Never trust the ones with power, becouse power corrupts the mind

Nope, not bonkers here... that was my whole point, HOW can anyone trust their captors to do what is best for them? How can we believe they are looking out for our best interest when all evidence proves otherwise.
Notice those who didn't "trust" the government & didn't go to the evacuee centers are being considered troublemakers even criminals by some & deserve what ever happens to them according to many people... those who did go to the evacuee centers spent the most horrifing week of their lives & God only knows what the future holds for them.
No I in no way advocate "trusting THIS government"

[edit on 20-9-2005 by Watchman77]

Originally posted by RyanC
The government doesn't say we have to give up our freedoms---they just go ahead and pass laws that take our freedoms away and call it "security." Even the firecest deffender of obsecne laws such as the Patriot Act can't claim that it does not have the power to restirct our freedoms and civil liberties, they can only claim that iit is only "used for good," or somesuch.
---Ryan

Exactly! Citizens rights in America are actually not much more than an grand illusion, they can disappear at a moments notice indiviually OR collectively.
For Americans to trust in this government believing that they will be there for them when needed they are living in a daydream that will soon become their worst nightmare.

Originally posted by rstrik
Can anybody honestly who actually lives in the US post something they have had taken away from them? I hear this crap on ATS all the time and nobody can provide me with a freedom you "lost". I've been living my same normal life for the last 5 years and can't find one thing I am or have to do differently than I did in the past. The only people who are affected by these laws being passed are the ones who deserve to be. I know many many people and can honestly say never heard one person say " I just lost the right to ......" or "I can't do this because of that stupid terrorist act that just passed".

By the time your freedom is infringed upon it'll be too late to do anything.

They'll arrest you, search your house without a warrant, confiscate your firearms (if you have any), and hold you without due process as a "terror suspect" for expressing dissent. The only way you'll be able to avoid this is by being a lap dog for the ones in power and turning in you "terror suspect" neighbors for bad mouthing the administration.

If you want to find out just how much your rights have already decayed go to your local library (the one with a computarized central database) and check out a bunch of books related to making home-made bombs along with a bunch of islamic propaganda and pro-jihad literature.

Originally posted by Psychomike
What everyone seems to forget is that it took them 8 years after the first WTC attack to execute 911.

ummm, could you please explain who 'them' are. are you suggesting the 1st wtc attack was carried out by al qaeda? if so, perhaps you better go and research that attack a little bit and whilst your there, check who provided them with the explosives (heres a clue - THE FBI)

Can anybody honestly who actually lives in the US post something they have had taken away from them?

oh i got one...The possibility to remain neutral in the (bogus) "war on terror"... remember the "you're either with us or against us " statement by President Bush ... I hope you see the problem there... nothing is that black /white there are a million shades of grey inbetween.

Originally posted by XyZeR

Can anybody honestly who actually lives in the US post something they have had taken away from them?

oh i got one...The possibility to remain neutral in the (bogus) "war on terror"... remember the "you're either with us or against us " statement by President Bush ... I hope you see the problem there... nothing is that black /white there are a million shades of grey inbetween.

Amen! this is exactly the statement that got me rethinking my support for Bush in the first place... IMHO he was sitting America up as God & himself as the "Saviour of the world". It truly amazes me that there are people out there who call themselves christian & still support Bush & his bunch.

Originally posted by justyc

Originally posted by Psychomike
What everyone seems to forget is that it took them 8 years after the first WTC attack to execute 911.

ummm, could you please explain who 'them' are. are you suggesting the 1st wtc attack was carried out by al qaeda? if so, perhaps you better go and research that attack a little bit and whilst your there, check who provided them with the explosives (heres a clue - THE FBI)

"Them is not US, if you are not with US you are one of them" and we all know who "them" are, the ones who want to destroy "the American way of life"
But which "American way of life" are they trying to destroy? The illusion of security? The extreme poverty? It is my opinion that the "terrorists" are for the most part the American government & most American citizens are a part of "them" that the US seeks to destroy.

Originally posted by Psychomike
To answer your question, they are fighting us in Iraq.

They have bombed England. Spain. They are still around.

What everyone seems to forget is that it took them 8 years after the first WTC attack to execute 911.

And that was when we did nothing to stop them for 8 years.

Their timetable is not yours.

Not to mention, there could already be WMD.s/Dirty bombs/etc. planted somewhere waiting for the 'right' time to be used (prior to 911, homeland security was not at its best). With all the destruction being caused by Katrina and now possibly Rita, why bother adding to the devastation, Mother Nature has the spotlight. IMO the terrorists would wait until the waters are calm so they would be the center of attention.

Originally posted by Grailkeeper

Originally posted by Psychomike
To answer your question, they are fighting us in Iraq.

They have bombed England. Spain. They are still around.

What everyone seems to forget is that it took them 8 years after the first WTC attack to execute 911.

And that was when we did nothing to stop them for 8 years.

Their timetable is not yours.

Not to mention, there could already be WMD.s/Dirty bombs/etc. planted somewhere waiting for the 'right' time to be used (prior to 911, homeland security was not at its best). With all the destruction being caused by Katrina and now possibly Rita, why bother adding to the devastation, Mother Nature has the spotlight. IMO the terrorists would wait until the waters are calm so they would be the center of attention.

Why in the world would they do that? Do you really believe it is about "attention"? IF their true purpose was to destroy America they would attack now while her defences where low & she was already badly wounded.
For them to patiently wait for America to regain her strength & bind her wounds before they "strike" again goes against every rule of "terrorism"
People need to wake up & realize the true terrorists are Bush & his bunch, but unfortunately the sheep sleep peacefully in the of illusion of security that this liar & his cronies promise & I am afraid they will not awake until it is to late.

I said it once and I'll say it again, what has changed in YOUR life? I hear you talk and don't hear anybody give me any solid evidence of what YOU have lost. Needing a passport and "being with us or against us" sounds like typical liberals trying to drum something up to say. Call me a sheep call me whatever you want but until something in my life changes i'm not going to jump on the Bush is satan bandwagon. Longer lines at airports is a cause and effect, not something this satanic administration passed to secretly plot against the american people. I think the real reason why most of you hate Bush and don't want to admit it, his attitude and the cowboy way he carries himself is a real turnoff for a leader to some people. If you believe for one minute Clinton and the past 5 or so presidents all weren't in the pocket of special interests in some way or another you need to do a little research. ALL politicians are the same, just on different spectrums.

All this consipiracy crap about 911 being done by our government sounds absurb. You do realize who runs this country I hope, the American Military. Puppets to take the blame and pass laws are what politicians are. Do you really think the US would give some one 4-8 years in office to completely run a country this size and then just drop it all and start over.... I've always said since 911 it's going to take another huge major terrorist attack for 1/2 the people in this country to wake up and realize what is happening and stop making excusing for our enemies because they don't want to sound like sheep. If you truely think someone in office for less than 2 years could devise a scheme to kill thousands of americans and get approval from our military, you need your head examined.

I said it once and I'll say it again, what has changed in YOUR life? I hear you talk and don't hear anybody give me any solid evidence of what YOU have lost.

Seems like you missed my post then, did you see where i talk about loosing the ability to remain Neutral in this "war on terror" , If i read "between" your lines you're basicaly saying that it isn't realy a problem and is a weak argument, just bush bashing....which realy isn't the case.

...I rarly see Americans give Swiss people a hard time because they remained neutral during WW1&2...

Ditto. Also, other than your words about America ruling the world which really does lower americans with other worldly figures, I say behead the ones who cause death and destruction to the American People or it's Allies.

Dallas

Originally posted by rstrik
I said it once and I'll say it again, what has changed in YOUR life?

I would say the right to due process and the right to privacy.

Furthermore, under the new legislation, they basically define "terrorist" as anyone who does something that goes against the american way of life.

By this definition if you break, or are accused of breaking, any law you can be detained indeffinately without being charged or even given access to a lawyer. Indefinately means no right to a speedy trial (another right lost).

I'd watch your spedometer on your way to work, don't wanna get caught speeding do ya?

Now admittedly that is an extreme example but, the way the legislation stands, those doors are open; and as the old saying goes, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely".



But who knows rstrik, maybe you're so adamently supporting this so that you don't get "pulled over for speeding". To which I would respond "I don't blame ya, I've been considering changing my stance as well".

Originally posted by rstrik
If you believe for one minute Clinton and the past 5 or so presidents all weren't in the pocket of special interests in some way or another you need to do a little research.

Agreed

Originally posted by rstrik
You do realize who runs this country I hope, the American Military.

And in the military you are not allowed to question authority or it's motives.

You sit down, shut up, and take orders.

Exactly the direction many of us fear this country is headed.








[edit on 22/9/05 by redmage]

Originally posted by Watchman77

Originally posted by Grailkeeper

Originally posted by Psychomike
To answer your question, they are fighting us in Iraq.

They have bombed England. Spain. They are still around.

What everyone seems to forget is that it took them 8 years after the first WTC attack to execute 911.

And that was when we did nothing to stop them for 8 years.

Their timetable is not yours.

Not to mention, there could already be WMD.s/Dirty bombs/etc. planted somewhere waiting for the 'right' time to be used (prior to 911, homeland security was not at its best). With all the destruction being caused by Katrina and now possibly Rita, why bother adding to the devastation, Mother Nature has the spotlight. IMO the terrorists would wait until the waters are calm so they would be the center of attention.

Why in the world would they do that? Do you really believe it is about "attention"? IF their true purpose was to destroy America they would attack now while her defences where low & she was already badly wounded.
For them to patiently wait for America to regain her strength & bind her wounds before they "strike" again goes against every rule of "terrorism"
People need to wake up & realize the true terrorists are Bush & his bunch, but unfortunately the sheep sleep peacefully in the of illusion of security that this liar & his cronies promise & I am afraid they will not awake until it is to late.

Do I believe it is about attention? Why yes, yes I do.

If there was no attention being sought, they wouldnt claim responsibility for any of their attacks. All of the attacks we have public knowledge of represent locations of intrest, government or otherwise. Bombing a grocery store or 7-11 doesent really hit the mark they are trying to attain. Big ticket items with lots of government and public intrest certainly draw a pile of 'attention'.

I never stated their 'true purpose was to destroy America'. On the contrary. I believe they want to instill fear into all Americans, yourself included, by implementing strategic, well planned operations. IMO they want people to believe they are not safe anywhere as well as belittle the security provided by the government, in re-reading your post, I see they have succeeded.

Do I think 'Terrorists would patiently wait to attack' .... why yes, yes I do.

For you to imply that Terrorists would not 'patiently' wait to attack contradicts PyschoMikes quote, in which you included on your rebuttal. As he states, the length of time between attacks was 8 years. Its also been stated that the terrorists envolved in 911 were preparing/training for at least two years prior to the attack.




terrorism

n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear [syn: act of terrorism, terrorist act]

Originally posted by rstrik
I said it once and I'll say it again, what has changed in YOUR life? I hear you talk and don't hear anybody give me any solid evidence of what YOU have lost. Needing a passport and "being with us or against us" sounds like typical liberals trying to drum something up to say. Call me a sheep call me whatever you want but until something in my life changes i'm not going to jump on the Bush is satan bandwagon. Longer lines at airports is a cause and effect, not something this satanic administration passed to secretly plot against the american people. I think the real reason why most of you hate Bush and don't want to admit it, his attitude and the cowboy way he carries himself is a real turnoff for a leader to some people. If you believe for one minute Clinton and the past 5 or so presidents all weren't in the pocket of special interests in some way or another you need to do a little research. ALL politicians are the same, just on different spectrums.

All this consipiracy crap about 911 being done by our government sounds absurb. You do realize who runs this country I hope, the American Military. Puppets to take the blame and pass laws are what politicians are. Do you really think the US would give some one 4-8 years in office to completely run a country this size and then just drop it all and start over.... I've always said since 911 it's going to take another huge major terrorist attack for 1/2 the people in this country to wake up and realize what is happening and stop making excusing for our enemies because they don't want to sound like sheep. If you truely think someone in office for less than 2 years could devise a scheme to kill thousands of americans and get approval from our military, you need your head examined.

First I can assure you I am not a liberal OR a Clinton supporter. I am neither democrat or republican. I am a bible believing Jesus follower. Secondly I do not believe that Bush is satan, but I DO believe that is the "god" he serves. In the beginning I supported Bush & believed him, but when his action became contrary to his words I begin to question him & found him to be a liar & a very evil man. I came to this conclusion from the evidence I found not because I just don't like the man, because I DID like him.
I do not believe that Bush is in charge, I believe him just to be one figurehead of a much bigger & more sinister organization called the Illuminati so it really doesn't matter who the President is or what political party he is affiliated with, it is all ran by the same people.
You can continue to "think" whatever you want about 9-11 but that won't change the truth of the matter, & the truth WILL eventually come out, actually it already has but to many people just don't want to believe it.
This is an OLD plan, but the players are the same... & if you believe that what Bush & his bunch are doing to America is for our own good you need your heart examined.

Originally posted by Grailkeeper

Originally posted by Watchman77

Originally posted by Grailkeeper

Originally posted by Psychomike
To answer your question, they are fighting us in Iraq.

They have bombed England. Spain. They are still around.

What everyone seems to forget is that it took them 8 years after the first WTC attack to execute 911.

And that was when we did nothing to stop them for 8 years.

Their timetable is not yours.

Not to mention, there could already be WMD.s/Dirty bombs/etc. planted somewhere waiting for the 'right' time to be used (prior to 911, homeland security was not at its best). With all the destruction being caused by Katrina and now possibly Rita, why bother adding to the devastation, Mother Nature has the spotlight. IMO the terrorists would wait until the waters are calm so they would be the center of attention.

Why in the world would they do that? Do you really believe it is about "attention"? IF their true purpose was to destroy America they would attack now while her defences where low & she was already badly wounded.
For them to patiently wait for America to regain her strength & bind her wounds before they "strike" again goes against every rule of "terrorism"
People need to wake up & realize the true terrorists are Bush & his bunch, but unfortunately the sheep sleep peacefully in the of illusion of security that this liar & his cronies promise & I am afraid they will not awake until it is to late.

Do I believe it is about attention? Why yes, yes I do.

If there was no attention being sought, they wouldnt claim responsibility for any of their attacks. All of the attacks we have public knowledge of represent locations of intrest, government or otherwise. Bombing a grocery store or 7-11 doesent really hit the mark they are trying to attain. Big ticket items with lots of government and public intrest certainly draw a pile of 'attention'.

I never stated their 'true purpose was to destroy America'. On the contrary. I believe they want to instill fear into all Americans, yourself included, by implementing strategic, well planned operations. IMO they want people to believe they are not safe anywhere as well as belittle the security provided by the government, in re-reading your post, I see they have succeeded.

Do I think 'Terrorists would patiently wait to attack' .... why yes, yes I do.

For you to imply that Terrorists would not 'patiently' wait to attack contradicts PyschoMikes quote, in which you included on your rebuttal. As he states, the length of time between attacks was 8 years. Its also been stated that the terrorists envolved in 911 were preparing/training for at least two years prior to the attack.




terrorism

n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear [syn: act of terrorism, terrorist act]

All this is only true IF you believe the "official" reports. I DON'T. I don't believe much of anything this government or the mainstream media tell us, there are to many reasons not to.
IF instead you believe that there has been a grand conspiracy for years to enslave the majority of mankind into a working class to serve the priviledged elite & they are now using a weather machine to destroy & relocate people in order to bring this plan to fruitation, then it is much easier to think of the thousands & thousands of people killed in Afghanistan & Iraq as innocent victims instead of "evildoers". It is also much easier to believe that our government brought down the Twin Towers & several surrounding building with stratigically placed bombs, than it is to believe that jet fuel pouring down the elevator shaft brought down a steel building. IF they had come up with a better "official story" I might would have been able to believe it, but that story is such a crock that I HAD to question it.

Originally posted by Watchman77

First I can assure you I am not a liberal OR a Clinton supporter. I am neither democrat or republican. I am a bible believing Jesus follower. Secondly I do not believe that Bush is satan, but I DO believe that is the "god" he serves. In the beginning I supported Bush & believed him, but when his action became contrary to his words I begin to question him & found him to be a liar & a very evil man. I came to this conclusion from the evidence I found not because I just don't like the man, because I DID like him.
I do not believe that Bush is in charge, I believe him just to be one figurehead of a much bigger & more sinister organization called the Illuminati so it really doesn't matter who the President is or what political party he is affiliated with, it is all ran by the same people.
You can continue to "think" whatever you want about 9-11 but that won't change the truth of the matter, & the truth WILL eventually come out, actually it already has but to many people just don't want to believe it.
This is an OLD plan, but the players are the same... & if you believe that what Bush & his bunch are doing to America is for our own good you need your heart examined.

I never said I believe what Bush is doing is for the good of the American people, I for one am not a big supporter of Bush, although I voted for him it was more for a lack of qualified candidates than my support for him. I'm sorry but the conspiracy theories revolving around these large scale incidents just don't make sense to me. If there was one slight mistake in such a plan and it was revealed this country would be turned upside down in anarchy. The risk vs reward just don't match up for me.

As far as why the terrorist haven't attacked again, I think it is a combination of things, one the way these people think are different from you and I. They are very similiar to the IRA and other terrorist organizations in that if they are going to attack they won't maximum publicity and maximum damage. Walking into a shopping mall and blowing themselves up would cause major havoc but it would not achieve what they want, which is political upheaval and sympathy for their cause. Now carefully plotting a major attack in a well known government/political area in dead spot in news coverage would. Major coverage world wide and a political message with the government target. Patience doom sayers it will come, but it is not going to happen when you think it will, it's going to happen just like 9/11 when you go about you're day and you're like WTF OMG type reaction. When not (if) we have the next major attack watch out because you think your rights are being taken away now, I wouldn't be surprised to see martial law nation wide with curfews. I just hope when that day comes people will finally change their attitude toward our government and give them the support they need. AKA taking the gloves off and not playing nice with these countries and organizations that support and fund these people.