How can seemingly intelligent people dismiss the eyewitness accounts of hearing explosives?

There is no such thing as explosions inside the WTC. If it's true why you don't hear anything about this on CNN or Fox?

Originally posted by DrWisdo
There is no such thing as explosions inside the WTC. If it's true why you don't hear anything about this on CNN or Fox?

Beeeeecaaause my little detached friend, CNN and FOX don't report fantasy land ficticious stories. That's why they call it "news", not the 24/7 Conspiracy Network.

Originally posted by wecomeinpeace


Funny, but your post is so full of ALLCAPS, that the only one who seems to be screaming around here is...well...you.

screaming...all caps.....huh? Do you actually "hear" me when you read??? You seem to be so gone that you hear what you read. Amazing.

Originally posted by Shroomery

Originally posted by Faust
I seriously wonder what kind of paranoid dillusional lives some of you people live.

What exactly is it that you're doing here?

What exactly is it that YOU'RE doing here?

Why don't you just take a hike if we are lunatics, because, you seem to be caring pretty much about us.

The lunatics are merging into the mainstream. I love my country and you people are making stuff up. If you go unchallenged then our society will decay to bizarro land and i don't want that.

And BTW, you're a real comedian for accusing us of being detached from reality and in the next line stating that you get your information from tv.



T.V. is the standard medium that most people get information from. I haven't "upgraded" to the Crystal Ball method you people use as of yet.

Originally posted by Faust
So, let me TRY and get this straight.

Terrorists flew planes into buildings. The fire from the jet fuel weakens the structures support beams and cause the twin towers to collapse. We retaliate against terrorism.

Some people think the planes were flown by remote control--no terrorists needed.

I saw that one "video" of a supposed hijacker boarding the plane that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon. I noticed that there was NO time/date stamp on it. Go figure.

Originally posted by Faust

The lunatics are merging into the mainstream. I love my country and you people are making stuff up. If you go unchallenged then our society will decay to bizarro land and i don't want that.

Your society, and I'm sure the whole world agrees, IS BIZARRO LAND.

Wake up.

Tell me Faust, when did trolls change their habitat to conspiracy forums? Anyway, on with the feeding...

Originally posted by Faust
The lunatics are merging into the mainstream. I love my country and you people are making stuff up. If you go unchallenged then our society will decay to bizarro land and i don't want that.

The United States was founded on the principles of keeping the government of the day in check and ensuring the government serves the people, not the other way around. Constant vigilance, and keeping government in check, especially a government like the one the neo-con cabal has set up, is an American tradition. The country that you profess to love, the country that the US is becoming, is far from the country that the founding fathers envisaged; in fact it is becoming the very thing that they did everything in their power to resist and to prevent. They'd be rolling in their graves if they knew that the modern so-called "patriot" was a mindless, TV-suckled, government-worshipping baboon. Seems to me you don't understand or love the REAL America at all. And as they say, if you don't love America *Texas drawl==>* then get the HELL out!

T.V. is the standard medium that most people get information from.

I don't think this one requires any additional comment.

[edit on 2005-9-18 by wecomeinpeace]

Faust.


You have to understand the viewpoint of many in the pro demolition camp.

They believe that nothing containing truth will ever appear on tv.

To get the truth, they believe you have to go to sites that bend the meaning of articles to fit their agenda, like Alex Jones prisonplanet.com.

Some of the "science" arguments I've heard are taken from rants comparing jet fuel to kerosine based off of one trait. Much of these arguments is not backed up by the source other than the sources opinion that they are right.

Then there are the documentaries like loose change, which contradict themselves in many aspects, and offer no explanation.

For instance you will hear much talk about steel being able to withstand 1000F and not lose integrity. However when you look into it, steel exposed to such heats loses about half of it's integrity. Despite this you will find many people here exclaim that a 2000f fire is not enough to weaken steel.


Anyway, welcome to the debate Faust, for some reason some will want to ignore you for your opinions (bsbray11), while others will want you leave for not agreeing with them(shroomery), however that is the opposite of denying ignorance.

It might help to read some of the other threads if you haven't because you will be expected to know everything the prodems have posted.

Good luck and welcome Faust.

I'd just like to say that I, and the entire Staff of ATS would appreciate the focus of this thread returning to it's intent:

9/11 & 7/7 Conspiracies » How can seemingly intelligent people dismiss the eyewitness accounts of hearing explosives?

Thanks.



[edit on 18/9/2005 by Mirthful Me]

Back on topic.


Eye witnesses who heard exlosions did not necesarily mean that they heard bombs. Someone hearing something is not proof of something either way.

Eye witnesses can be usefull in supplying objective details, such as parts of the lobby were burned up, while other parts were not.

The problem comes when eye witnesses make conclusions that are beyond their knowledge, such as "it had to be bombs, i heards bombs goddamit!"
or "I heard explosions, and I hate Bush, so Bush planted these explosives!"

Such testimonies from eye witnesses are notoriously subjective, so even if what they said could be true, it is just that persons opinion and does not supply evidence either way.

Originally posted by Faust

Originally posted by DrWisdo
There is no such thing as explosions inside the WTC. If it's true why you don't hear anything about this on CNN or Fox?

Beeeeecaaause my little detached friend, CNN and FOX don't report fantasy land ficticious stories. That's why they call it "news", not the 24/7 Conspiracy Network.

Isn't that the truth. Like the "news" they reported during the Rove scandel. Or the "news" they reported during the evasion of Iraq.

Funny, the news is so lame, they now are turning to amateur bloggers.

On that note, the news did report hearing explosions that sounded like bombs... during the attacks, after the attacks, and before/during the collapses.

[edit on 18-9-2005 by white4life420]

Originally posted by Tinkleflower
So....you can count your eyewitness accounts, but discount the others which would attest to something different?

That's how it works.

The same people in this thread that will attest that witnesses hearing something that sounded like an explosion is pretty solid evidence there were bombs in the building will then go to great lengths to discredit or completely ignore the accounts of people seeing with their eyes a commercial jet hitting the Pentagon. It's the MO.

Then they show you a picture of a completely different structure that didn't collapse because of a fire - while completely ignoring the fact that said building wasn't as tall, made differently, and most importantly wasn't hit by 500 tons traveling at several hundred miles an hour.

They then call you names such as sheeple or government disinfo agent and put one of these or one of these to show you how dumb you are. Again completely ignoring the fact that most of what they're saying is junk science regurgitated from some 9-11 site that could just as well be planted as disinfo!

All the time playing structural engineer - while saying things like "I don't know how that works, but I'm pretty sure it isn't right". I wish I could find the thread that one was in.

I don't know how seemingly intelligent people can deny intelligence so frequently.

Edit: fixed smilies.

[edit on (9/18/0505 by PistolPete]

[edit on 2005-9-18 by wecomeinpeace]

Originally posted by wecomeinpeace

Since when did the definition of "a skeptic" come to mean one who believes everything the government of the day tells them? On the contrary, a skeptic is one who examines and challenges popularly accepted memes.
[edit on 2005-9-18 by wecomeinpeace]

Right. And you would expect us to believe you over our government because YOU'RE the one that's making sense.

A skeptic would say something like, "I don't believe in U.F.O.s because there is no hard evidence in proving them to exist." Now, no one could argue with this because there is no hard evidence to prove they exist. However, on the same note, if someone refused to believe that planes flew into the Twin Towers and was the direct result to bringing the buildings down, then they would hardly be skeptic. They would live in some type of fantasy land. They would merely be Conspiracy Theorists that have nothing better to do with their free time in my opinion.

Having said all of that i realize that i have angered people who take offense to it. However, i USED to be in your shoes at one time. There were a few "conspiracies" that i used to preach in the past. Over time as i heard REAL EVIDENCE, i realized that my paranoid thinking just wasn't healthy.

Thinking in this manner makes your lives very miserable. You start to fill with hate, paranoia and sadness.

BTW, i do believe in U.F.O.s even though there is no real hard evidence, but you don't read about me trying to force-bash it into peoples heads.

Did you come here to pick a fight, or did just you come here to pick a fight?

Originally posted by Faust
Right. And you would expect us to believe you over our government because YOU'RE the one that's making sense.

A skeptic would say something like, "I don't believe in U.F.O.s because there is no hard evidence in proving them to exist." Now, no one could argue with this because there is no hard evidence to prove they exist.

Ever looked into the NASA UFOs? Mission control go to lengths to change camera angles or use stock footage when UFOs are picked up on camera. There's plenty of videos of the UFOs and plenty of videos of Mission Control making changes to their programing when a UFO enters the shot and that's just the tip of the factual iceburg.
"Hard" evidence is something that can't exist in a world where we aren't meant to know these things exist. People that come forward with hard evidence get shot down in flames but there's overwhelming proof of UFOs and Alien contact, it's just not time for us to know about it yet as far as the governments who spend billions hiding this fact believe. After all, it's a bit hard to have a war for the Earths remaining fossil fuel and the ultimate position of power using religion as the catalyst when we are introduced to a higher lifeform than ours and realise we aren't Gods special little creation.

However, on the same note, if someone refused to believe that planes flew into the Twin Towers and was the direct result to bringing the buildings down, then they would hardly be skeptic. They would live in some type of fantasy land. They would merely be Conspiracy Theorists that have nothing better to do with their free time in my opinion.

In your opinion. Thou from your efforts so far, your opinion doesn't seem to be worth much because it's cloaked in ignorance. You really don't sound like someone who has been closely following the last 30 years of US/Middle Eastern history and being able to put into perspective the next 20 years to really be able to understand what 9/11 really was about. That's the problem, the conspiracy is proven without even looking at the WTC or the Pentagon, it's financial because 9/11 was business and sometimes people have to die for business to be successful. You'd kill a few chickens to save the entire ranch and unless your rich and powerful - your just a chicken to them, not important and easily replacable.

Having said all of that i realize that i have angered people who take offense to it. However, i USED to be in your shoes at one time. There were a few "conspiracies" that i used to preach in the past. Over time as i heard REAL EVIDENCE, i realized that my paranoid thinking just wasn't healthy.

Which ones did you get convinced as being paranoid thinking? It would help us understand where your coming from if you can explain that a bit further as one of the easiest tatics for 9/11 debunkers is to make you believe that if you think one aspect is a conspiracy, then you must believe in ALL conspiracies that ever existed and especially the most outlandish ones ever concieved when that's hardly the truth at all.

Well then Faust, and every other debunker on this thread, I direct you here: Proof of Official Story

All this thread asks for is all the proof you have of the official story besides government word.

Originally posted by white4life420
Well then Faust, and every other debunker on this thread, I direct you here: Proof of Official Story

All this thread asks for is all the proof you have of the official story besides government word.

LOL, Dude, your brain is gone. I'll tell you what, PROVE to me the earth is round. I don't want pictures from a NASA shuttle because those photos could have been photoshoped. I will refuse to believe ANYTHING that is government lead or government funded because I KNOW they want me dead! I'm NOT paranoid! Now, perhaps you can understand how NO MATTER WHAT evidence is presented before you, you will refuse to believe it. You're a lost cause whose only purpose in life is preach lies and hatred for our government because you're miserable and desperately want everyone else to feel the same way.

Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis
That's the problem, the conspiracy is proven without even looking at the WTC or the Pentagon, it's financial because 9/11 was business and sometimes people have to die for business to be successful. You'd kill a few chickens to save the entire ranch and unless your rich and powerful - your just a chicken to them, not important and easily replacable.

jesus, you scare the s**t out of me. You say the conspiracy is "PROVEN" because of financial means?!? Some extremely rich guys wanted a few more bucks, so they planned ALL of this out. Thousands will die and our economy will suffer greatly. This crime, if caught, would automatically carry out the death sentence. If you had millions OR billions of dollars your life is GREAT. Would you actually carry something like this out and run risk of dying?!? You're already filthy rich, why would anyone be so retarded to do so?!? Dude, you're way too paranoid.

Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
Did you come here to pick a fight, or did just you come here to pick a fight?

Did i say i wanted to fight??? Oh, i forgot, you liberals are masters of trying to put words in peoples mouths.