I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp

No one is being forced to go to these camps. These camps are for people who have not prepared ahead of time for disasterous times like these and have nowhere to go. These camps are for people who have chosen to be poor by having children they can't afford and working crappy, low-paying jobs. Oh, and probably some nice people too. Being poor and having nowhere else to go is a choice they made for themselves... ANYONE can work hard and do well. There are A LOT of people who lost everything in this disaster but that have saved their money and can now take care of themselves and not wait for a government handout.

Regarding FEMA not accepting material donations: I don't know if any of you have experience in logistics, but do you realize the sheer volume of work to provide food, clothing and shelter for 5000 people? For FIVE months?! Who do you expect to sort through and distribute all this stuff? All of the other cabins did not have the volunteers yours had to do all that. And being these people are depending on the goverment to provide for them, which is socialism, then the socialist idea of everyone getting the same stuff must apply.

Originally posted by craig732
No one is being forced to go to these camps. These camps are for people who have not prepared ahead of time for disasterous times like these and have nowhere to go. These camps are for people who have chosen to be poor by having children they can't afford and working crappy, low-paying jobs. Oh, and probably some nice people too. Being poor and having nowhere else to go is a choice they made for themselves... ANYONE can work hard and do well. There are A LOT of people who lost everything in this disaster but that have saved their money and can now take care of themselves and not wait for a government handout.

Regarding FEMA not accepting material donations: I don't know if any of you have experience in logistics, but do you realize the sheer volume of work to provide food, clothing and shelter for 5000 people? For FIVE months?! Who do you expect to sort through and distribute all this stuff? All of the other cabins did not have the volunteers yours had to do all that. And being these people are depending on the goverment to provide for them, which is socialism, then the socialist idea of everyone getting the same stuff must apply.

Disgusting, moronic, ignorant drivel. Every single syllable of it.

I second and THIRD that Val, WHO is this guy?....and why isn't he working for FEMA?

Originally posted by Kathartic_Oni
I second and THIRD that Val, WHO is this guy?....and why isn't he working for FEMA?

I don't know who he is...but who said he's not?!

LOL

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I don't work for FEMA. And I respect your opinions of my opinions. So ignore all of my "Disgusting, moronic, ignorant drivel" except for the first sentance. Because that is not opinion, it is fact.

Well of course they are not being forced. They have NO CHOICE as to where they are being taken. They are put on a bus - families have been split up and have not been told as to where their other family members are - those being put on the bus are not even being told where they are going. Don't you find that just the least bit odd? As I said before, they do not have a choice - someone else decides where to "deposit" these people - and what they will or will not do with them while they are at their various locations. Will anyone know what happend to them? Probably not. How would we learn their fate? The camp has become a fortress. How convenient that it's in the middle of nowhere, so to speak, away from the public, away from VIEW of the road - basically isolated. Even the poorest of the poor - with children or not (and by the way, what difference does THAT make in the end?) - do not deserve to be treated in such a manner. I could not help but think of the German Concentration Camps when I saw how the beds were laid out in bunks of four...even those to whom I've spoken about Val's find and what she and her family experienced while trying to HELP these people thought it was too weird and that it didn't make any sense. Why the armed guards? Why the secrecy? In five months, these people, who have been through so much already, will have been subjected to complete detatchment and isolation from society, let alone who knows what else, will not even be thought of, because, as it has been so blatantly pointed out - these people are poor. It only takes a turn of fate to exchange places with these people - we could be discussing you, your family or my family. Shame on you for thinking that just because they are poor that they are any less deserving than you or I.

Okay, here's is the page with the audio archives:

vyzygoth.com...

I'm away from this thread for a few moons and come back to find a new challenger of it? Interesting.....

although I got little damage from katrina (just lost 2 groecery bags full fo comics over at my grandma's)anyway my uncle has it pretty bad right now.
See he lives in mississippi and stayed for katrina, he said when it started to flood he had to sim in the flood water to save the lady next door. then after that for about 2 days he had to float on someone spa or hottub(whatever those things are called) in the water because it was all way up to the roof of his house. now after the water went down his house was demmed unfit to live in and fema gave him a little tent to sleep in till they could get him a trailer. that was over a month ago. for about 1 month he has been sleeping in a small tent on his neighbors proch unable to leave cause someoen has to be there in case fema comes around. so for over a month he's been sleeping on someoen elses porch with the same shoes and socks he had when he swam in the flood water. fema gave him a bike for transportaion. he's about ready to take a ball bat the police gave him for protection and beat the heck outta the fema people.now I went to mississippi to see what kinda damage was done. lets just say the stuff shown on tv doesn't do justice to the destrucion katrina left. now personally I don't think fema was ever meant to be activated, I belive it was created just to give someone's buddy a job. not sure if this is off topic or not but I felt like sharing that with yall.

Hi Valhall,
Thank you for your very informative report, God works in mysterious ways, I just wanted to tell you I ended up on Radio Intercontinental [the radio station Franco built] last week, 3 times for 2 hrs a time, so I decided to take the opportunity to tell Europe about 'the concentration camps' and fema situation...
and got called a schitzophrenic by one woman caller who demanded to know how I could be allowed to say such things in the studio Franco built and why if it were true hadn't it been on the news...sigh...anyway the call ended well with her agreeing to investigate the things I had said for herself before disbelieving me...
I have 2 radio shows and a tv show lined up for 5 months time...I pray I will be telling them that I'm a schitzo and that fema turned out to be nice people that were just helping those 'poor' and probably coloured people of New Orleans...if it turns out I'm not a schitzo and those people aren't back in nice happy lives....then I'll make sure the whole bloody world hears about it...
Love sarephim101

I'm not gonna try to pass this off as truth, I just want to try and explain what I feel is the "gvmnt think" here.
The gvmnt thinks that all of these people on public assistance are degraded and completely uneducated, i.e., "animals". And what are you supposed to do with unpredictable animals? Why, you put them in a cage, of course and then maintain tight control.

I'm quite sure the current powers that be feel this way about most Americans, but especially so about anyone on public assistance.

I can tell you as an experienced Libertarian, that the bigger gvmnt gets, the more it views its public as "cattle" that need to be "herded".

The fact that they have gotten all of these folks together in several large camps, makes me wonder if there isn't some huge "public works project" coming up soon. Remember FDR's "New Deal" and the "Works Progress Administration"?
A socialist project if there ever was one. Regardless, they figured they were better off giving these people "busy work", rather than allowing them to "run free and cause trouble".
Read for yourself and see if the past looks plausible in present time:

(From Wikipedia)
"The Works Progress Administration (later Works Projects Administration, abbreviated WPA), was created on May 6, 1935 with the signing of Executive Order 7034. It was the largest and most comprehensive New Deal agency. Headed by Harry L. Hopkins, it was a "make work" program that provided jobs and income to the unemployed during the Great Depression. WPA projects primarily employed blue-collar workers in construction projects across the nation, but also employed white-collar workers and artists on smaller-scale projects, and even ran a circus.

Some who experienced work in the WPA have been known to refer to it as "We Poke Along", "We Piddle Along" or "We Putter Around". This is a reference to WPA projects that sometimes slowed to a crawl, because workers often had no knowledge of when the next job was coming."

I would expect Bush to make the announcement of the creation of the "New WPA" shortly after Thanksgiving or Christmas, hence, the "five month thing".

See what I mean? I think this is where this whole thing is going.

Don't you?

Not too sure whether it will be a good thing or a bad thing, but is there something else you can do with 100,000 displaced people running around?

Then again, can ol' "Dubya" do anything right?

SniperDoc

"It's amazing how you took so many photos and they didn't ask why you were taking them? Of their cars, their personel, etc... "

I'll bet either:
A. They didn't know she was taking pictures or
B. Didn't want to cause a stink and put people on alert.

"I have a single question though, Why 5 months? It kind of seems too long to let such population stay there for a while ... I know they may have lost their jobs, houses, infact some of their loved ones ... but 5 months?"

Sounds like a pre-determined appropriate time period for a "boot camp indoctrination" period. - SniperDoc

I appreciate everyone's comments to my reply on this post, however, I still stand by my statement: No one is being forced to go to these camps. If they had just left town when they were told there was a hurricane coming, followed their mayor's and governor's evacuation order, and evacuated themselves like HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of other people did, they would not have to be put on a bus and shipped to the middle of nowhere at taxpayer's expense. These were the people that were on the news days before the hurricane saying, "I've been living here 50 years and I ain't never left before and I ain't leaving now." Well they should heve left on their own terms. Yes, it was VERY difficult to evacuate... hours and hours of traffic jams, packed buses, packed trains, and overbooked flights, but if the VAST MAJORiTY of the population got out, then ALMOST EVERYONE could have gotten out (with a few exceptions, like the senior citizens left to die in the retirement home by the ruthless owners of the facility). And no, this could not be me or my family in this situation, because I do not count on the government to provide me with anything in an emergency and have prepared well for this type of disaster.

I would love for someone to go back to the camp now, well over a month later, and report on the conditions there. I would bet that they find all the repressive tactics that have been put in place by the government and police have kept the people in this community safe, secure, and possibly better off then they were before the hurricane. Many of these people were so poor that they did not even have 2 meals a day before, so I am sure they greatly appreciate the 2 meals a day they are getting now. Many of these people lived in neighborhoods where drugs and crime were rampant, so I would think they might appreciate the protection they are being given by the police that are keeping the peace there. Many of these people could not afford washing machines and dryers, and could not even afford to go to the laundrymat, so I think they might appreciate the free laundry service they are being provided with.

PS: Please excuse any spelling errors... I am having computer trouble and I cannot open my program that has "spell check".

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Originally posted by craig732
If they had just left town when they were told there was a hurricane coming, followed their mayor's and governor's evacuation order, and evacuated themselves like HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of other people did, they would not have to be put on a bus and shipped to the middle of nowhere at taxpayer's expense.

I'm sorry, but this is where you are tremendously missing the point. The people who are currently homeless and in the "system" due to Katrina are made of people who DID leave before the storm and people who DIDN'T leave before the storm. If you left before the storm and you have nothing to go back to you are as much an "evacuee" as anybody else.

Wow Valhall, we agree on something! You are 100% correct in your statement that a lot of these people are people who have been left homeless by this disaster, and I do apologize for not clearly stating in my posts that I understand that.

In addition to what I already stated, one of the points that I am tying to make is that people need to be prepared for this type of disaster and not count on the government for any assistance whatsoever when something like this happens, lest they will end up getting whatever the government is offering, such as housing in these camps and 2 crappy meals a day. If they have not prepared themselves then no one should be complaining about what they are getting at the taxpayer's expense.

I don't know much about the insurance industry in Louisana or any other state down there, but I know that in my area my renter's insurance policy specificaly covers hurricanes, (although with a hefty 15% deductible.) I live in a flood zone directly on the Atlantic coast, in a major metropolitan city, one block from the beach, so I would imagine that if I can get this type of insurance for my apartment, for the rather inexpensive cost of $160 per year, then something similar must be available down there. Although my policy covers lodging expenses for up to 6 months, I still have made arrangments with friends and relatives for accodations in the event there is no lodging available or if my displacement lasts more than 6 months. I am not a rich guy; I consider myself to have a lower-middle class income. So if I can save and plan for an event like this, why can't everyone? If the MAJORITY of the people that were in the effected area can self-evacuate and not need to be in these camps because they have prepared themselves financially ahead of time, then why can't everone?

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Valhall,

I have watched this thread develop from the beginning and finally decided to join so that I could post comments to what has been previously stated.

1) If you were to take a camp such as this in a honest no bs situation [I don't think you will find it because with our govt it doesn't exist] then yes, they were setting up to care for katrina victims.

2) However, given what was reported and all of the uneasiness of the fema people you stumbled or was God- led to this camp for the purpose of exposing it.

3) My opinion - this camp was not set up for katrina victims - that was the pretext to being able to use it. It was being set up for blue list, or yellow, or green list people the NWO were preparing to round up. I didn't mention red list because they are to be terminated.

4) I reviewed the OK gov/fema public meeting to state that the camp was not going to be used. They got caught and had to make plans to change.

5) The OK emergency management director [whoever] likewise was probably ordered to come on to this forum and justify what they were doing [damage control].

6) Setting up camps sounded like a good thing, however, add in isolating family's, not allowing to leave, have some form of ID and guards - adds up to something else.

7) Valhall, just curious, was there any fencing [ i.e., 5' chain link fence with 3 strand barbed wire on top facing inward observed anywhere?

8) Finally, people you have got to wake up and see the whole puzzle that is quickly coming together [except this isn't a game and they play for keeps]. Ask yourself how this fits with foreign troops in US, recent deployments of large groups of US troops in CONUS and the large deployment of russian troops [or should I say movement out of russia].

9) I maybe wrong [and I hope I am], however, there is another hurricane heading CONUS and I don't think we will make it to December 31.

Thanks for a great post to join ats

KS Coyotee

FYI,

forgot to mention - check FEMA website, they don't do camps [they actually state that], they leave that to other organizations - so what were they doing.

Also, the red cross states that they are not reimbursed for what they do, however, check their liberty fund report after 911 and it specifically shows reimbursements of approximately $300,000 + a request or an additional $700,000.

FYI, when looking for intel on the internet, don't stop looking after the first several pages. The real materials are hidden out there in the later pages.

KS Coyotee

You have voted KS Coyotee for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

good first post, lol.

FEMA in a nutshell. I think that this site wraps it up pretty good.

www.sonic.net...

for those who won't the link, here's a snippet....

Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

  EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

where's your demockracy, now!!???