I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp

If anyone saw the c span meetings of the Katrina commission on the process of failure you would have heard the people talking about the concentration camp. The senator ties to stop her from talking about the concentration camp she refused. Se kindly told the senator that she was college educated and understood that the term is. They also talked about the rounding up of people at gunpoint.

Imagine your own army is holding you at gunpoint!!

This show a big disconnect about race in the place. While we are telling the Sunnis' to repesect the Kurds we need to tell the whites to respect the blacks.

GW bush could not even bring himself to call them Americans in his speeches!!

Where as there are floods in CA right now but none of them none of them are being call refugees! This stinks to high heaven and if you consider yourself a Christian you should be ashamed at how the representation of this government acted in this time of need. Gun being pointed at 2 and 5 year old girls these people who governed the situation should be ashamed.!!!

When somebody stumbles up on something that is happening to us that bothers them, or what is happening to us stumbles upon them, their initial responce is to share the information with others and learn more.
The only bad thing about that is, the more you look, it appears that almost everything is going the wrong way... .and it honestly is.

About the concentration camps,
I have no doubt that they do exist and for whatever reason they are being established, hopefully none of us will ever know.
But I do doubt that they will be successfull during a large scale "round-up".
Because of my size the day I turned 18 I became a correctional officer, a career that lasted less than two years. For the most part prison guards dream about the opportunity to beat the hell out of an inmate who steps out of line, as well as the men in the towers dream about getting to shoot somebody in the head when they try to escape. That is their job, not to dream about it and look forward to the event.. but to protect innocent civilians from dangerous people.
Everybody in jail today has been convicted of a crime that involves a "victim", and in order for a handfull of men to keep thousands of other men under control, it has to be understood by both sides that the penalty for escape may be death.
The guards are protecting the public from these 'bad' people.
If or when a situation would arise where thousands of Americans were being held against their will, for a crime that does not have a victim, I do not believe the handfull of people in charge of maintaining the 'walls' will be effective. Regardless if they are military personell, their family is full of American citizens and I do not believe that they would be willing to kill an escapee, nor would they be willing to put themselves in a situation where they would be killed by a mob of people attacking whatever tries to stop their attempt at freedom.

...that's just one sense...

SEMPER FI...

They have built more than 600 Civilian Concentration camps here in America...could these camps be considered one of them ???

The TV gave you a small look at the: welfare "thugs" there....these welfare "thugs" just want to: rob, loot, rape and murder you....

So, they send these welfare "thugs" to some camp....what do you think is going to go on in that camp ??? It will be a FREE for ALL, to wit: Rob, Loot, Rape and Murder....

They are training these welfare "thugs" to rob, loot, rape and murder you...what are you going to do ?? call the Police ??? send an email ???

SEMPER FI ....

I feel all the security is a good thing and is there for the best interests of the people. you might see it as concentration camp type setting but lets not forget when katrina happened hundreds of women were raped in the dome in new orleans. These are poor *very poor* people who lost everything and it doesnt take much for one of them to snap and go commit a crime. New orleans had one of the largest crime rates in the country so that crime rate has a potential of traveling with them.

Originally posted by rowdyroddy
I feel all the security is a good thing and is there for the best interests of the people. you might see it as concentration camp type setting but lets not forget when katrina happened hundreds of women were raped in the dome in new orleans.

No they weren't.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by rowdyroddy
happened hundreds of women were raped in the dome in new orleans.

Um, please state your source for this. A credible source, not just some internet blog.

this is crazy ! great investigation tho

Originally posted by KeyOfDestiny
SEMPER FI...

They have built more than 600 Civilian Concentration camps here in America...could these camps be considered one of them ???

The TV gave you a small look at the: welfare "thugs" there....these welfare "thugs" just want to: rob, loot, rape and murder you....

So, they send these welfare "thugs" to some camp....what do you think is going to go on in that camp ??? It will be a FREE for ALL, to wit: Rob, Loot, Rape and Murder....

They are training these welfare "thugs" to rob, loot, rape and murder you...what are you going to do ?? call the Police ??? send an email ???

SEMPER FI ....

I'm interested in what you have to say, but i would ask you to give links to each of your assertions. all of them please. otherwise it coul be a product of your own imaginings.

you, so far, state them as fact. may i see the facts, please?

Hello friends:

That is very sad and subreal. I had read very scary things
about F.E.M.A. and their policies. I know they can declear
Martial law. I know the can detain and house peolple for
any period of time. The can come into your house and pull any
one out without reason if a "Emergency" is declare.
I belive the F.E.M.A. and other federal agencies were late responding
to the Huracane emergencies in New Orleins because most of this
people were blacks and poor.
Racesims is alive, and doing oh so well!!!

Originally posted by Floh

Originally posted by KeyOfDestiny
SEMPER FI...
They have built more than 600 Civilian Concentration camps here in America...could these camps be considered one of them ???
The TV gave you a small look at the: welfare "thugs" there....these welfare "thugs" just want to: rob, loot, rape and murder you....
So, they send these welfare "thugs" to some camp....what do you think is going to go on in that camp ??? It will be a FREE for ALL, to wit: Rob, Loot, Rape and Murder....
They are training these welfare "thugs" to rob, loot, rape and murder you...what are you going to do ?? call the Police ??? send an email ???

SEMPER FI ....

I'm interested in what you have to say, but i would ask you to give links to each of your assertions. all of them please. otherwise it coul be a product of your own imaginings.

you, so far, state them as fact. may i see the facts, please?

Here is something to answer that request from friendsofliberty.com :

FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS: Locations and Executive Orders

Privacy There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really want to be on Ashcroft's list.


www.sianews.com...

www.sianews.com...

Use their search to find more articles concerning "concentration camps". There may be one near you that you haven't heard about.
Peter Paul

Thank you FEMA

Why?

Because August 29th I had no roof that afternoon. Started the day with a room but in the late morning I had no roof. But the following week I had a blue roof , they become really attrative after a while.

Thank you FEMA

Why?

Becuase even when all my family was out of work, because their work places didnt exist anymore, but even then they made sure we had food everynight, that we had water every night, and that i could go to sleep knowing the next day was going to be bearable.

Thank you FEMA

Why?

Because as soon as grocery stores began to reopen they made sure we all had money to get there and get things we needed.

Thank you FEMA

Why?

Because the near month without power was blessed with FEMA personel coming down the streets during the day making sure we had everything we needed.

Thank you FEMA

Why?

Because I live in an area that didnt get flooded, I lived in an area that got the worst part of Katrina, the MS coast. I live in an area where the storm surge came and destroyed most of everything I ever knew my entire life, basically wiped away. I live in an area where almost everyone I know is now homeless. But even though all that is true, all my friends and family that need a place for shelter now have a place. It might be a tiny trailor amongst many other trailers, some in trailors where their old house use to sit, a few in a tent city...well they got that changed to trailors now...heck i even have a few friends scattered around the country staying in hotels. All this taken care of by FEMA. I guess you could call all of them detainees if youd like, but i like to think of them as my friends and family who now have a free place to stay, while they figure out something to do back here...they are all free to go anytime they wish too...Even the people that stay on the floating "detainment camp" can leave whenever they want...ahha the cruise ship they are using ot house people...wow thats one odd thought...though i dont know of many people actually staying on it...

Thank You FEMA

Why?

Becuase i thoguht i was going to have to drop out of school this year, and pick up next year. But because of your help, I didnt have to...and i am now about to finish my last and 6th year of college.

Thank You FEMA

Why?

Becuase of the medical facilities that were needed so greatly. So many kids that got cut, hurt, injured...it was greatly needed.

Thank You FEMA

Why?

Because even though it might look like i live in a third world country right now, the needs were always met. Granted you couldnt get to us in the first few days, we had to come to you. Thats what its about though. You cant just sit there and scream we need this, we need you here...you might not want to, but you got to fend for yourself sometime. That is the single biggest difference between NO and my area. We didnt complain, we worked together, we teamed up, we did whatever it was we had to do to get to where we had to go.

and then....

Thank you my state and local government

Why?

Because yall did not hesitate to get FEMA into our area.

Thank you G W Bush

Why?

Because your resiliance has meant lots of help for our areas.

Thank every single one of you reading this, and every single American out there

Why?

Because when you are sitting in a city destroyed, and you see all the people showing support, when you see trucks coming form everywhere to help, when you see people holding fundraisers, when you see people from outside what you now know as normal, when you see them showing so much love and support..its an incredible, heart wrenching, emotional, indescribable feeling of THANK YOU. There were days when i thought I coudlnt take it anymore, you can only see destruction so much, you think you exist solely in your debris lined yard, but boy i tell you...id get that black and white tv plugged into my car at night....watch wahtever channel managed to get picked up..and id see the support you all gave, and the compassion and care...and it made me so happy, it made me feel like i wasnt forgotten about by my fellow citizens, it made me know that as much as we have different beliefs in politics, and things "fema detainment camps", it made me realize that even though i think that is completely silly, it really doesnt matter at all...because we are humans, we are americans, we are compassionate...and we care about one another.

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart, I could never repay the debt i owe to you for the support and comfort every person in this country has given during the worst time of my life.

Originally posted by ajm4481

You cant just sit there and scream we need this, we need you here...you might not want to, but you got to fend for yourself sometime. That is the single biggest difference between NO and my area. We didnt complain, we worked together, we teamed up, we did whatever it was we had to do to get to where we had to go.

AJM has my vote for "Way Above" for summing up in just 3 sentences a reasonable point of view of this whole mess.

Thank you, ajm!

It is nice to hear a good story and how our government did come through for some one! I hope all is going well with your efforts to get your life back in order.

Your welcome... I honestly didnt know how it would be taken. I might have a difference of opinion but I respect to death your feelings on things. I'm just one man, with one point of view....and if it wasnt for people with opposing points of view, and those points of view being listened too at the very least....well you know where we would be...not in a place where Ignorance is Denied....we sould be living in our White House....haha... Sorry, even though i mostly like Bush...the man is far from perfect...have to take a stab at him every now and then...

Yes but I was reading this thread, it didnt really irritate me, it was just it has tremendous emphasis here on ATS. I felt it was losing one side of the story, mainly my side. Even though FEMA might have some crooked agenda, there are thousands of people working for FEMA that have touched the lives and made the lives better for hundreds of thousands of us down here...and I would hate to see that aspect of FEMA lost... Because you know as well as I know, that we don't know much when it comes to what is really going on...you are doing a great job on this thread Valhall, keep it up...

I think the idea is not to deamonize an emergency management agency or the good people who work for it, but to keep tabs on what is going on behind the scenes at these powerfull agencies.

Im glad you got a does of the community spirit feeling, something that does come out in difficult times, people bond together help each other overcome things. Most people do.


I would like to point out that i dont think people here are against emergency management for example. That is not what you are saying, i know, but i wanted to make that point anyway.

Originally posted by AdamJ
I think the idea is not to deamonize an emergency management agency or the good people who work for it, but to keep tabs on what is going on behind the scenes at these powerfull agencies.

Yeah I agree, and thats why I think Valhall is doing a great job in this thread. I might have a different opinion, but if people didnt keep tabs on whats going on then we would definately have some problems. Thats why I like it here on ATS so much, I like to know what people think could possibly be going on. I just don't want the little guys forgotten about, that are out there doing the best job they can. They are the ones that make up the FEMA i know. I have no clue whats going on way up there in the chain of command, but at least we got people trying to figure it out...

Originally posted by AdamJ

I would like to point out that i dont think people here are against emergency management for example. That is not what you are saying, i know, but i wanted to make that point anyway.

You are absolutely correct! In fact, it would have been nice to have 10's of thousands of more stories like amj's! And I can't help but think that the difference in handling not only might have come from a mindset of those affected, but a stereotyping by those conducting the relief efforts.

Whatever the reason for some of the things that happened (or almost happened), I hope that our government agencies will learn and not make the same poor decisions, or the same pathetic inactions, but do much better at having heart for the people they are helping while they are just "doing their jobs". And I hope citizens will continue to expect that for their fellow citizens.

AMj's story is truly the one we'd rather hear.... even the most hard core cynics among us have to smile and be so proud that some people were treated the way we hope every man woman and child on the planet would be treated in the face of a disaster. Man after all the gloom and doom and bad news we are bombarded with I am smilin from ear to ear to hear someone got treated right. thx man.

I'm glad to hear you did well. I didn't do so good. I'm also on the gulf coast. FEMA determined everything I owned was only worth $772. So, I have no "thank you's" for FEMA. But, I will agree the local people and others have done great! Like the song says, "We will get by, we will survive."

I'd agree with many of the previous posters, particularly wecomeinpeace; that the government, being as they are, think that the 'general populace' particularly those from NO (NOT my view btw) are all tax-dodging louts.

Thus, the rule for allowing them out only once seems to be probably directed to the fact that if they allowed them back in, they could smuggle in weapons, luxury items (riots...), friends (extra food req, etc) and so forth. This is the probable reason; if they allow people in and out willynilly, they would have to make security tighter, searches in/out etc, which may be against human rights. In essence the rule is probably more about trying to keep the peace, than keep them in. The government is probably just trying to reduce the cost of the overall project (and they are probably using reconstituted MRE meals, hell, if I were an evil government I know I would they're disguting!)

However... I've been in the 'establishment' myself, I've seen what large corps and the military can do (in my case they were doing it together). They are liers, crooks, cheats, and any other unpleasant word you can think of. They will cover themselves by making you take the fall, or take away everything you think you 'own' (civil liberties, etc) just because they can. We live in their world, at least that's how they see it, without them running the world, man would be forced to root in the dirt...

I also think as several others do, this isn't the 'big bang', this is just the universe sneezing; it's going to get worse and then we'll see what they can do. It's a test, not sure on who or for what, other than to test out their systems of defence, population control etc.

I'm all in for the conspiracy theories, hell most of them are likely true and I DO think this was planned, as an exercise. I just hope to God I'm not around when the real stuff hits the fan...

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