This is some goooood stuff!!!

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I've been listening to it and it's VERY interesting stuff.

I'm getting into Masonry and I still find this interesting.

Check it out and let's hear what you think.

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i cant beleive this...this guy actually says that saluting the AMERICAN flag is wrong because it's a pagan symbol....maybe he should realize it's a symbol of freedom and we salute it because we are thankfull for what we have. this guy discusts me as a US Marine, and as an american citizian.

WOW this guy is one paranoid freak, and like all other anti-masons, say's we are evil but doesnt support that statement whatsoever....

also he states GW Bush coulndt become a texas longhorn because of his grades yet this man went to YALE? this guy is NUTS.

i cant believe he also states washington got his power and authority to rule america from the devil. WHAT!!!! doesnt he realize he was giving his power and authority to "rule" from the first continental congress?

Originally posted by umwolves123
i cant beleive this...this guy actually says that saluting the AMERICAN flag is wrong because it's a pagan symbol....maybe he should realize it's a symbol of freedom and we salute it because we are thankfull for what we have. this guy discusts me as a US Marine, and as an american citizian.

WOW this guy is one paranoid freak, and like all other anti-masons, say's we are evil but doesnt support that statement whatsoever....

also he states GW Bush coulndt become a texas longhorn because of his grades yet this man went to YALE? this guy is NUTS.

i cant believe he also states washington got his power and authority to rule america from the devil. WHAT!!!! doesnt he realize he was giving his power and authority to "rule" from the first continental congress?

I did not bother listening. This guy, and David Icke are on my blacklist of idiot savants.

Come on! This stuff is GREAT!!

how can you say this stuff is great...never mind what he says about masonry, but think about what this man says about OUR country. we can all have our different oppinions about masonry, illuminati, or anything else but each person should be thankfull for all our country has givin us.

[edit on 24-7-2005 by umwolves123]

This country gave freedom..in a shackles sort of way.

The truth behind the master-slave relationship is something few care to study, but the dynamic at work is quite fascinating. Who controls whom?

Anyway, I liken freedom to a noose...

Given a noose, some men will hang themselves, some men will hang others, and a few individuals will give the noose away to another, and realize the profound freedom of submission.

Right. But that still doesn't mean we should degrade the US because of one man speaking his own beliefs.

Masonry is wrong.

But like it was said earlier, we should all hold dearly what our countries give us.

I mean, if we're not patriotic to our nation, if we don't trust our nation, how can we trust any other nation in the world?

Originally posted by Zeta_101
Right. But that still doesn't mean we should degrade the US because of one man speaking his own beliefs.

Masonry is wrong.

But like it was said earlier, we should all hold dearly what our countries give us.

I mean, if we're not patriotic to our nation, if we don't trust our nation, how can we trust any other nation in the world?

I am not sure how you can state that masonry is wrong, and stand behind the belives of this country.

Originally posted by Zeta_101
Masonry is wrong.

But like it was said earlier, we should all hold dearly what our countries give us.

Can you explain to us why you believe masonry is wrong? I mean, didn't Freemasonry give you the freedoms you enjoy? Isn't the freedom in the country in which you live based upon masonic ideals? So why is masonry so wrong?

masonry is not wrong however you do have the freedom to say so...and well put by the way, i do like your thinking. it doesnt matter what we all think about masonry. we are all united in the idea of freedom and patriotism. one man may hate masons but he is still a MAN and an AMERICAN. theirfor we are all brothers united under one front.

Good Link.

In-diana has to do with how many satanic sacrifices have been done there. It has made a womb In-diana for satan. I have heard of the ovens in countless other articles too. Wake up people and get off your Pride.

No, Sebatwerk, the MAsons did not give us our freedoms; they were given to us by God, and the founding documentation merely protects those rights and liberties.

What is wrong about Masonry? I usually stay out of this particular topic for the most part, but here you go: It is a SECRET SOCIETY! Why hide goodness and purity? If your great teaching is beautiful, why keep it a secret? The Creator of the universe didn't hold back the secrets of proper living, am I to believe you've outdone Him and are keeping it all a secret for the betterment of mankind? Why do you reckon that people see the Masonic Lodge as a dark, possibly sinister organization? God calls His children to be lights unto the world, not to hide the light. I find it difficult to believe that a Christian would be comfortable in such an organization of secrets, yet I know many who claim to be and are in, and they suggest I'd like it. It goes against my beliefs because of the above-stated reasons.

You asked, I went ahead and threw my .02 in there. I don't expect you to explain it to my satisfaction as good friends who are Masons haven't been able to, either.

The secrets are mearly there to hold the belives from someone that will not do the research, to understand the meaning. People would mearly pick through them ( as they do now) and paste out of context words to further the belive that Freemaons worship lucifer, or .

On a side note, lucifer is an adjective, not a noun. A description, not a person.

I love your thought process Thomas. A mason asking how he can support the communite has his thread removed, but any thread defaming anything masonic is exonerated, and held on a pedistal. Way to keep up the American dream. Life, Liberty, and the persuit of conspiracys.

[edit on 25-7-2005 by wiggy]

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
What is wrong about Masonry? I usually stay out of this particular topic for the most part, but here you go: It is a SECRET SOCIETY!

A secret society? We list ourselves in the phone book. We are open about ouir membership. Our rituals can be seen by anyone. Is that what you call a secret society? The only secrets we have atre our modes of recognition. What you claim is obviously untrue.

Why hide goodness and purity? If your great teaching is beautiful, why keep it a secret?

We dont. All of our teachings can be found in the bible. But our WAY of teaching involves initiation. That's why we must remain a society that initiates members.

The Creator of the universe didn't hold back the secrets of proper living, am I to believe you've outdone Him and are keeping it all a secret for the betterment of mankind?

And neither do we.

Why do you reckon that people see the Masonic Lodge as a dark, possibly sinister organization? God calls His children to be lights unto the world, not to hide the light.

People completely misunderstand Freemasonry as people have for a long time. They see closed meetings and assume something nefarious is occuring. You're the moderator of a forum that claims to deny ignorance, yet you are filled with the same ignorant misconceptions as any other anti-mason.

I find it difficult to believe that a Christian would be comfortable in such an organization of secrets, yet I know many who claim to be and are in, and they suggest I'd like it. It goes against my beliefs because of the above-stated reasons.

What secrets? Handshakes and passwords? What is so wrong with that?

If your group was open, and if it was clear, why would you have to be concerned about people thinking you worshipped Lucifer. Lucifer is a name, it was the original name of Satan, before his fall. I am quite aware of Lucifer.

This site has nothing to do with Life Liberty and the pursuit of a board to take over. This site is not for someone to post content that is not in keeping with the intent of the site. This is not his personal place to set up office. It is my job to keep the board tidy and on track. You have the Liberty to set up your own board for your own business, and as the time and money was spent for another intent of this personally owned board, let's not try and mix life, liberty and public domain, huh?

Sabatwerk, is that the "secrets"; a secret handshake? Are you saying that is all, because the real-life world friends that are Masons certainly haven't insinuated that! And, why would one need a secret handshake? Interesting. We regular ol, run of the mill Christians don't have a secret handshake, and we seem to do ok.

Sure, your lodge is in the phone book. So, when I call them tomorrow the person answering it is going to divulge all those little secrets that the guys at work won't dare whisper?

These guys seem a bit slow, too. Every night at about 30 minutes before get-off time, 5 new Masons follow an older one around the hanger where they are taught that secret handshake for about 5 minutes a night. If that is all the secret, that must be a HECK of a handshake, or those guys are a bit slow!

Some folks, not knowing about the Masons or their secrecies, are starting to wonder why they hide behind a hangar every night, and there isn't at least on female among the group!

I dunno, I don't make the story, I just report it!

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
If your group was open, and if it was clear, why would you have to be concerned about people thinking you worshipped Lucifer. Lucifer is a name, it was the original name of Satan, before his fall. I am quite aware of Lucifer.

This site has nothing to do with Life Liberty and the pursuit of a board to take over. This site is not for someone to post content that is not in keeping with the intent of the site. This is not his personal place to set up office. It is my job to keep the board tidy and on track. You have the Liberty to set up your own board for your own business, and as the time and money was spent for another intent of this personally owned board, let's not try and mix life, liberty and public domain, huh?

Lucifer is mentioned one time in the bible, in Isaiah 14:12. It was not in reference to Satan, but to Tiglath-pileser III, King of Babylon.

Lucifer is the term the early Romans used for the planet Venus.
It came into the bible through a translation error. The original Hebrew term "HeYLeL BeN-ShaCHaR" that ment bright son of the morning/dawn was translated as Phosphorus,The then current Greek Term for Venus, and then into Lucifer, the term used by the Romans for Venus. Now we are stuck with it, and many christians belive it refers to an archangel that fell from hevean. If you dont belive me, break out your good book, and start reading from Isaiah 14:1. The new international version does not even contain the word lucifer.




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I am aware of what you are saying, and have heard the rebuttal to this. Now, assuming you are saying that you do not worship Lucifer (Satan), how hard would it be to pass this info on in the open public? What one knows for certain, though, secrets are suspected, and those who hold secrets will be the targets of suspiciousness. After all these years and no change or opinion, do ytou think it'll work now?
What in the world does the planet Venus have to do with doing good works for mankind and all that sort?

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
I am aware of what you are saying, and have heard the rebuttal to this. Now, assuming you are saying that you do not worship Lucifer (Satan), how hard would it be to pass this info on in the open public? What one knows for certain, though, secrets are suspected, and those who hold secrets will be the targets of suspiciousness. After all these years and no change or opinion, do ytou think it'll work now?
What in the world does the planet Venus have to do with doing good works for mankind and all that sort?

It is an adjective. It sybolizes greatness, justas the king of babylon, and also Jesus, were refered to as.

Why does the Vatican maintain secrets? If you have the desire to know the secrets, they are avaliable all over the internet now. Not how I would desire it, but such is life. Now that they are open for everyone to pick thorugh, more and more miss understandings are being brought forth every day.

Okay, sounds like there is a convolution of beliefs. It doesn't take Venus to indicate the Supremecy of Jesus. Regardless.

You are suggesting that I believe what I read on the internet in regard to your secrets? I have a big...no...HUGE problem with that! A Mason, in person, showing me an official "International Brotherhood of Masons Constitution" (Sorry, I think in lines of union organizations terminology in correct terminology is unknown to me), explains it to me, then I'll believe it. There is too much controversy surrounding the Masons, as well as myths, for me to simply buy into an internet site. You should take this as a good thing.

Remember, I do not buy the "Masons are evil" crap as I judge an organization by its membership, but you should see why the Masons come up quite often in the "Conspiracies in Secret Societies" forum.

By the way, who said I trusted the Vatican? Are they secretive? Yup, they are.

[edit on 25-7-2005 by Thomas Crowne]