Location of the garden of eden???

The bible does not say anything of different heavens and if it mentions it it isnt like that.
These are from things like book of Enoch which isnt in any bible and isnt mistranslated that bad if at all.

But lets not go off the subject and demand facts and blah... The ark IS possible and probably isnt tested plus nobody who demands these facts even know about the world around them(Not the inventor of the thread but the disinfo type people demanding proof of air)

OK, let me just say that Independence, MO, where the Mormons say the Garden of Eden is is just unbelievable. I am not saying that it is not possible, but it just is not likely there. You see they built a church on the spot where they thought it was, but then Jesus never came so they decided they must be in the wrong spot. So, they brought out all their maps and books and found it was in this other area so they built a new church. It is in the shape of a sea shell....it spirals around and comes to a point at the top with a staircase on the outside that leads to the top. That stairway is what they all plan on climbing when Jesus comes, and if you are not a member of their church then you are just out of luck. The area where they built this church is a seriously drug infested area. I cant possibly believe this church sits on top of the Garden of Eden. BUT....who knows.

mrsdudra someone stated that the mormons own alot of iraq and the middle eastern area... i think that the mormon religion itselg is just a bunch of whackos no offene to anyone implied but there orgins have absoulutley no proof as far as christian religion there is little proof but i beleive mostly councidences... anyways besides that the mormons think that the garden is either in MO or in the midle east and who knows elsewhere thre just building churchs where ever they think is a possible garden... and mrsdudara u said its drug infested as previously stated its possiblle that tthe flood wiped out the garden... which make it possible that it needed to be rebuilt... honestly though the flood couldve been a tsunami in noahs time not much of the known world was known...

Im with you, they are a bunch of wackos. most of my family are RLDS. My mom however was Catholic which is what I was raised to be. Therefore, they believe I was evil and going to hell. My Dad has done a lot of research on the bible and the book of mormon. About 8 years ago he decided to devote his life to studing both books, every possiable meaning of every word of the bible, putting together timelines, and researching every place that is mentioned. He came across quite a few things that have a lot of people pissed off. He is finishing up his book about all that he has found. I am hoping to get a copy within the next couple of weeks. He found out a lot about the Giants, the 12 tribes of Isreal, and how the Native Americans fit into the whole thing. A lot of what he found really pissed off the RLDS. To the point he is not welcome into a lot of churches. I will give him a call and see where he thinks the Garden is, and why. He quit working and spends all his time doing research, so I am sure he has something to say about it. IMO the fact that before the flood it was all one land mass with one sea, and God broke up the land to give the water a place to go means it could be anywhere. I do think it still exists though. If it didnt Im pretty sure they would have mentioned the fact that it was destroyed. This was God's special garden I do not think he would have destroyed it, but I do think he would put it in a place where no one could get to it, except the ones God wanted in.

Which mrsdudara is why many people belive it is in the "3rd heaven" i think the best posiblity is the garden is atlantis a paradise that sunk probabaly durin the flood.. anyways please post what your dad has to say bout it thanks...

Welp I talked to my Dad. He had some interesting input. He has not researched the Garden of Eden......yet. He just finished up with the Giants and that took him almost 3 years. What he did say is that they translated it poorly. What he says is that the word they used for ate (they ate from the tree of knowledge) is incorect. The word they used translates to partake. In the way that they used, it the better translation of the word would have been inquire, not ate. They inquired from the tree of knowledge. He also said that after he read it, he understood it as more of a family tree as apposed to an actual tree. He said he could be wrong, but that was the way he understood it. He and I are going to start researching more about the garden of eden and the stories in other cultures especially the summarian legends. One of the questions we have is not so much where is it, but who was there. There are severl areas where God is speaking to someone else, and where he refers to them. Also, what exactly was Adam? At the begining, God says in Gen. 1:27 - 1:28.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created them. God blessed them and said to them "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Now that happened on the 6th day. He created Adam on the second day.

IMHO I believe the garden of Eden is inside the earth. See Gen 2:4 - 2:14

This is where it talks about the river watering Eden was seperated into 4 headwaters. Gen 2:6 states

but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground

[edit on 29-6-2005 by mrsdudara]

mormons are stupid retards they were founded by some american guy who but big tablets into a small hat and read from it. it makes not sense. shame on you mormons.
The garden of eden is most likely a phable just some fake story. it never existed. Christianity is just a primitive relegion that does not make sense and science continues to prove it wrong with evoloution and other stuff.

has anyone read norse myths or roman myths from there relegion well the garden of eden is like those stories(fake) except it has managed to perservere longer because at some point in history Europe decided to adopt it as its own relegion. the garden of eden is as much real as the holy grail.

I dont know how you people can beleive such primitive ideas and fictionis stories from some book. a book full of fables.

well because this "book of fable"
is one of the oldest surviving document in the world and for 2000 years weve heard about jesus thats why rot in hell if youd like but the rules clearly state not to make fun of members and that appears to be what your what you are doing...

WOW healthyhitter You are a genuine hero! You just set those books strait! Wow, Too bad you werent here back when I was a kid so you can tell me all about the world and in school you coulda been my teacher....so sad. I learned all this false stuff and it is really sad.

Originally posted by Wisdumb
WOW healthyhitter You are a genuine hero! You just set those books strait! Wow, Too bad you werent here back when I was a kid so you can tell me all about the world and in school you coulda been my teacher....so sad. I learned all this false stuff and it is really sad.

Wisdumb just cause you dont belive in a religion is no reason to call it false if you truly belived in something and i put it down that would suck.... So w/e just keep saying chrstianity is false aswell as god and when the time comes have fun rotting in hell or what will be earth... ENJOY...

Everybody needs to calm down a little bit. Wisdumb was being sarcastic. Hitter, your arguments will be better received if you employ principles of succinctness and clarity to create well-sourced masterpieces of literary persuasion. Name calling is weak and disrespectful. Just relax, guys.

Zip

[edit on 6/29/2005 by Zipdot]

thanks zip...
back to the subject.........

I have often thought that all the Biblical Texts consist of, are memories ... perhaps from another Time, another world, in another galaxy.

We've gone through so many "Dark Ages" throughout Time, it's not blasphemous to think that some information that's floating around in the ether, and then tapped into but not fully understood by the person who accesses it, can be accidentally (OR DELIBERATELY) skewed when interpreted and written down as FACT.

Some do-gooders write it the ways they interpret it because they honestly believe what they're flashed on IS the real deal, but others look at those flashes as opportunistic--a way to use interpretation as a means of controlling the belief systems of those around them.

The Garden of Eden might have been a biosphere, sent to ANY body in the Universe wherein other life previously existed. The original Adam grew discontent, and was therefore given a partner to keep him out of trouble... and then BOTH of them, having minds of their own... decided to venture outside the biosphere to look and see, and that's when they learned things were not as perfect nor innocent nor totally fulfilling as they'd been led to believe. Being in human form, curiosity is inherent.

So it doesn't really matter if Eden was here on earth or in a Galaxy Far, Far Away -- the stories we read are mankind's interpretation of visions, just as precognition and soothsaying is open to each kindred's ability to discern.

The Book of Enoch holds another vital key to Eden's location...

Eoch was brought into the Garden, as being the only mortal worthy to view it. While he was there, the earth had suffered a catastrophy, and so God sent forth the angels to take earth's measure.

Apparently, all the angels headed in one direction, which ways North. They all headed North to survey the world. Only one place in the world can people all head North.

The South Pole. Antarctica. Also home to Atlantis, another Paradise on Earth.

As entertaining as these flights of fantasy are, "eden" is a Sumerian word meaning "a land between two rivers".

Nothing mystical about it, it was probably just a very nice place where they genetically engineered humans.

Sorry to break the news, but you can forget Mormon ownership, other dimensions or planets, or any other fantastical explanation.

To all of you unbelievers of the biblical record, why are you even participating in this subject matter which is from the bible? I know let's gather all the athiests and have a really good bible study! Uterly rediculous. I for one am trully inspired by the interpretation that the garden is within one self. I believe that as well the fact that a physical place also exists / existed. I see the God of the universe speaking to us from all different avenues of which most are represented in some physical shape because that's the way our brains work and evidently the way God's does as well. The bible states "Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1Cr 15:46". All through the bible you will see a parellelism of the natural things as they then compare to our spiritual life. for instance the children of Israel crossing the jordan. The jordan represents death in that the children of God crossed over death into life being the promise land. This one will raise your hairs. . . . The priests stood in the river and God held back the waters in otherwords he stopped death from taking us. Well good luck with this discussion, very interesting and yet very truthful if you want to look at it. Don't forget we Christians are going to return to eden. The angel was put at the gate to keep the way of the tree of life. We being angels (which means messenger) are now saying this" If you want to return to the tree of life, give your desires and your vision over to God. You will begin to see the pure things (tree of life) as you drift away from the double mindedness of man (the tree of knowledge of good and evil.)

Originally posted by mrsdudara
OK, let me just say that Independence, MO, where the Mormons say the Garden of Eden is is just unbelievable. I am not saying that it is not possible, but it just is not likely there. You see they built a church on the spot where they thought it was, but then Jesus never came so they decided they must be in the wrong spot. So, they brought out all their maps and books and found it was in this other area so they built a new church. It is in the shape of a sea shell....it spirals around and comes to a point at the top with a staircase on the outside that leads to the top. That stairway is what they all plan on climbing when Jesus comes, and if you are not a member of their church then you are just out of luck. The area where they built this church is a seriously drug infested area. I cant possibly believe this church sits on top of the Garden of Eden. BUT....who knows.

Let me clarify a few things.

Yes, the LDS belief is that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri, Jackson Hole area. The belief is, that when the earth was made, there was just one land mass.... but that after the Great Flood, the lands broke apart.

Mrsdudara, you're blending two different churches in your response. There is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, and there was another church, called the Reorgnaized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints (RLDS), who in recent years, changed their name all together, and are now known as the Community of Christ.

I'm unaware of either church ever predicting the coming of Christ, and it not happening....and its the Community of Christ church who owns the shell shaped Temple in Independence, MO, not the LDS/Mormon church.

After reading more, I see mrsdurua's family was RLDS.... so you do obviously know the church, and know there's a big difference between the Community of Christ and the LDS... your first post though, seemed as if you were lumping "mormons" into that.




And I believe whoever posted about the LDS church owning land in Iraq, etc....was being sarcastic.

"The garden of eden" is Not on the Earth.

Wrong World Wrong Time.

But Eden does in fact exist Now!

[edit on 18-11-2008 by The Matrix Traveller]

Well if the creation legend is right in so far that there is a place where we came from it doesn't surprise me that it conforms with all the modern anthropology and genetics which say that humans came from central Africa. It's theorised that the very start of the Egyptian society began when the Sahara rain forest receded to desert and forced the hunter-gatherers to congregate around the Nile and begin agriculture.

[edit on 18/11/2008 by Good Wolf]