Location of the garden of eden???

Originally posted by inspiringyouth
But anyways i was wandering if anyone had ideas of where the garden is

The garden of Eden disappeared after the flood in Noah's time.

About a year ago I was thinking on this same thing. I then saw a christian program that dealt with the topic and would have recorded it had I known it was going to be on, so that I could remember all the points brought up. Anyway the answer I thought of was the same that the program mentioned.

Through Bible reading and studying a person finds out that the land area of Israel is important to God. I believe Eden was the area of Israel. Jerusalem is also important to God. I believe that the garden that was in Eden was located where Jerusalem is. The program I watched expanded on this and went further than what I thought of. The host also believes that the Tree of Life that was in the garden is also the exact spot where the Ark of the Covenant stood in the temple. Just thinking about it that would seem to make sense but I guess you could also have an argument for saying that the Tree of Life could have been at the spot where Christ was crucified as He brings us life anew.

Not sure if online Enoch(Noahs grandfather) books are corrupt and he is a direct descendant of Adam, but The tree of life and Eden were on a different level than us(Dimension or such) and the third heaven is where it is. The earth probably is not located in the third heaven but if it is than theres another earth out there that we do not know about.

In my reading I found this that describes the garden.

"The city of "Eden" is located in what seems to be a beautiful valley, yet, in fact, it is on the loftiest mountain plateau of the Inner Continent, several thousand feet higher than any portion of the surrounding country. It is the most beautiful place I have ever beheld in all my travels. In this elevated garden all manner of fruits, vines, shrubs, trees, and flowers grow in riotous profusion.

In this garden four rivers have their source in a mighty artesian fountain. They divide and flow in four directions. This place is called by inhabitants the "navel of the earth," or the beginning, "the cradle of the human race." The names of the rivers are the Euphrates, the Pison, the Gihon, and the Hiddekel."

Do a key word search for " The Smoky God"

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
what the mormons own most of iraq or parts of saudi arabia maybe turkey?.... go mormons didnt know you had it in you!

Drivle

Regards Elf

As I understand it, the Mormons believe that the G of E is in modern day Missouri.

Zip

Once again all we have is theories someone mintioned the garden of eden in the 3rd paradise.. could you show us the verse... and who put it in the bible.. Jon or one of the other apostles... in which part of christianity is mentioned i know catholics and baptists have very diffrent veiws it could be a argued topic... when you write the verse if you do please post which version of the bible its from king james ect...

Book of Enoch(Noah's granddad) chaptrer 8
1And those men took me thence, and led me up on to the third heaven, and placed me there; and i looked downwards and saw the produce of these places, such as never been known for goodness.
2and i saw all the sweet-flowered trees and beheld their fruits, which were sweet-smelling, and all the foods borne of them bubbling with fragrent exhalation.
3And in the midst of the trees that of life, in that place whereon the Lord rests, when he goes up into paradise; and this tree is of ineffable goodness and fragrece, and adorned more than every existing thing; and on all sides it is in form gold-looking and vermilion and fire-like and covers all, and it has produce from all fruits.
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4 its root is at the garden at the earths end
5and paradise is between corruptibility and incorruptibility

6And two springs come out which send forth honey and milk, and their springs send forth oil and wine, and they seperate into four parts, and go round with quiet course, and go down into the PARADISE OF EDEN between corruptibility and incorruptibility

Originally posted by inspiringyouth
Once again all we have is theories someone mintioned the garden of eden in the 3rd paradise.. could you show us the verse... and who put it in the bible.. Jon or one of the other apostles... in which part of christianity is mentioned i know catholics and baptists have very diffrent veiws it could be a argued topic... when you write the verse if you do please post which version of the bible its from king james ect...

The bible was not written by any apostles of Jesus.

Zip

In those verses it never says the garden of eden nor does it mention 4 rivers...

6And two springs come out which send forth honey and milk, and their springs send forth oil and wine, and they seperate into four parts, and go round with quiet course, and go down into the PARADISE OF EDEN between corruptibility and incorruptibility

sorry that was my fault i misread... i thought those lines were seperating to show your signature so i disregarde and overlooked that section.... i see the point you have there but it still could be an indewindo the bible uses those commonly...

Sorry it does look that way and i am new here so i messed up.
And bibles are hard to understand because the people who read it in hebrew and translated werent the smartest scribes in the drawer. But king james took the time to learn hebrew or greek i think hebrew to translate but i recommend learning it yourself(lol) if you want it to make most sense.

yea i get you its a possible mistranslation much likethe recent 666 to 616... its still a topic just a settled one for now anyways if theres a internet in heaven im sure the garden of eden topic will come up again.. lol

66 616 774 4238471289471......... I mean who cares? The truth is the devil will always be there and theres a saying the Rock has that holds truth.......
IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOUR NUMBER IS

Originally posted by Wisdumb
66 616 774 4238471289471......... I mean who cares? The truth is the devil will always be there and theres a saying the Rock has that holds truth.......
IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOUR NUMBER IS

It does to people who want to prove that the "infallible word of God" is simply a quite fallible and contradictory work of man's hand...

Originally posted by Rook Hawkins
(1) What color was the robe that was put on Jesus? Scarlet--Matt. 27:28 ("And they stripped him, and put on a scarlet robe") versus purple--Mark 15:17 ("And they clothed him with purple....") and John 19:2 ("...and they put on him a purple robe").

(2) When was the robe put on Jesus? During his trial--John 19:1-2, 15 ("Then Pilate took Jesus, and scourged him. And the soldiers...put on him a purple robe.... Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King?") versus after Pilate delivered him to be crucified--Matt. 27:26-28 ("Then released he Barrabas unto them; and when he had scourged Jesus he delivered him to be crucified. Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into a common hall,...stripped him and put on him a scarlet robe") and Mark 15:15-17 ("And so Pilate, willing to content the people...delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified. And the soldiers led him away into the hall...and they clothed him with purple").

(3) At what hour was Jesus crucified? The third hour--Mark 15:25 ("And it was the third hour, and they crucified him") versus before the sixth hour--Luke 23:43-44 ("And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. And it was about the sixth hour....") versus after the sixth hour--John 19:14-16 ("...and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your king! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him.... Then delivered he him unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away") to be crucified later.

(4) What was the inscription on the Cross? "This is Jesus the King of the Jews" (Matt. 27:37) versus "The King of the Jews" (Mark 15:26) versus "This is the King of the Jews" (Luke 23:38) versus "Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews" (John 19:19).

(5) For what did the soldiers at the Cross cast lots? His garments--Matt. 27:35 ("they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots") and Mark 15:24 ("And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take") and Luke 23:34 ("... And they parted his raiment, and cast lots") versus his coat alone--John 19:23-24 ("Then the soldiers when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be....").

(6) What was Jesus given to drink? Vinegar--Matt. 27:48 ("And straightaway one of them ran, and took a sponge, and filled it with vinegar, and...gave him to drink") and Luke 23:36 ("And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him and offering him vinegar") and John 19:29-30 ("Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a sponge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished....") versus vinegar mingled with gall--Matt. 27:34 ("They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall") versus wine mingled with myrrh--Mark 15:23 ("And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh; but he received it not").

(7) When Jesus got the sponge filled with vinegar, who said they would see if Elijah would come to his rescue? The person who actually gave him the sponge--Mark 15:36 ("And one ran and filled a sponge full of vinegar and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down") versus those with the person who gave him the sponge--Matt. 27:48-49 ("And straightaway one of them ran, and took a sponge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him").

(8) How many of the thieves on the Cross reviled Jesus? One--Luke 23:39-40 RSV ("One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, 'Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!' But the other rebuked him, saying, Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?") versus both--Matt. 27:44 RSV ("And the robbers who were crucified with him also reviled him in the same way") and Mark 15:32 ("And they that were crucified with him reviled him").

(9) Who were the named women watching the Crucifixion? Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children--Matt. 27:55-56 versus Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the less and Joses and Salome--Mark 15:40 versus Jesus' mother, his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene--John 19:25.

(10) From where did the women observe the Crucifixion? From afar--Matt. 27:55-56 ("And many were beholding afar off...among which was Mary Magdalene...") and Luke 23:49 ("...and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things") and Mark 15:40 ("There were also women looking on afar off; among whom was Mary Magdalene,....") versus near the cross--John 19:25 ("now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene").

And now with the Ressurection.

A. At what time in the morning did the women visit the tomb? At the rising of the sun (Mark 16:2) vs. when it was yet dark (John 20:1).
B. Who came? Mary Magdalene alone (John 20:1) vs. Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (Matt. 28:1) vs. Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Salome (Mark 16:1) vs. Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary, the mother of James, and other women (Luke 24:10)

C. Was the tomb opened or closed when they arrived? Open (Luke 24:2) vs. closed (Matt 8:1-2)

D. Whom did they see at the tomb? The angel (Matt. 28:2) vs. a young man (Mark 16:5) vs. two men (Luke 24:4) vs. two angels (John 20:11-12)

E. Were these men or angels inside or outside the tomb? Outside (Matt. 28.2) vs. inside (Mark 16:5, Luke 24:3-4, John 20:11-12).

F. Were they standing or sitting? Standing (Luke 24:4) vs. sitting (Matt. 28:2, Mark 16:5, John 20:12).

G. Did Mary Magdalene know Jesus when he first appeared to her? Yes, she did (Matt. 28:9) vs. no she did not (John 20:14).

Zip

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In my opinion, looking for any kind of history in the Bible before Exodus is pretty pointless; it's full of allegory and symbolism in Genesis, and much is borrowed from other Mesopotamian cultures. You will spend your whole life trying to find the Garden of Eden or Noah's Ark and still not prove anything... but there is much in the Bible from Exodus onward that can be proven through archaeology and scientific means. All of the digging going on in Israel today is producing more and more amazing finds!

Originally posted by JustMe74
In my opinion, looking for any kind of history in the Bible before Exodus is pretty pointless; it's full of allegory and symbolism in Genesis, and much is borrowed from other Mesopotamian cultures. You will spend your whole life trying to find the Garden of Eden or Noah's Ark and still not prove anything... but there is much in the Bible from Exodus onward that can be proven through archaeology and scientific means. All of the digging going on in Israel today is producing more and more amazing finds!

Showing that all of those theories are still very possibly a reality...

King Jame's bible is the worst translation attempt in history.

Here is a link to a direct hebrew-english translation of the old books; bible.ort.org...

They also have Tora and other books, and other languages (think I saw russia).

you say that yet the king james version is the most commonly household bible.. showing that many peoples beliefes are mistranslations... Showing that the 3rd heaven could be a misread and mistranslated verse or even as i said earlier an indewindo a word or phrase with a diffrent meaning...

The garden of Eden is in California, the DEA is doing their best to rip it, tear it down, and jail its gardeners.

IMHO, the best English language translation of the Jewish Bible ("Old Testament") is the Stone Edition (here is a place you can see a sample or buy it: www.artscroll.com...).

This has the Hebrew and English side by side, along with great footnotes and illustrations. For anyone who is serious about understanding the Bible, this is a great resource. Many nuances get lost from the original Hebrew, and unfortunately most Christian translations were translated from Hebrew to Greek and then to English; King James is the worst by far (although it is a wonderful example of English prose).

If you insist on a Christian translation, the Oxford Study Bible is decent; it uses both the Masoretic texts and the Septuagint and it has plenty of footnotes to explain why certain passages were translated in the manner that they were translated.


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