Scientology a Cult?

Well, the Gay guys did join KOC, and I really like taking a giant dump, just not on the computer. Either way, some strong arm.

Originally posted by Incognita
Scientology has a similar organization, reportedly responsible for such things as clipping brake lines on cars of people who've left Scientology.

Any way you could name which Org. or branch of the Church that does this?

I left the Sea Org. in the 80's and never had anyone bother me after that.
Has anyone here ever been bothered by Scientologists, or is most of the stuff you naysayers are spewing just something you read or heard?

It seems that the most negative posts about the CoS are coming from people that have never been involved in it, and really know very little about the subject.
Sure you re-enforce your blather with quotes from anti-Scientology websites, and you bring up only the most negative things that have happened in the history of the Church.

I guess in reality we could start a thread about any religion on planet Earth and do exactly the same thing, some would defend it and others would only dwell on the faults. And some of those faults are the actions of a single individual and not sactioned by the body of the Church.

Not all Catholics rape chiorboys and all Mormons don't practice poligamy by forcing young girls to marry 50 year old men that already have 6 wives. And let's not leave out the Muslims, it's a fact that most of the Muslim people ARE NOT terrorists.

Some people will never listen to reason and have deeply ingrained ideas that will never change. In a way it's somewhat sad, a closed mind is a wasted mind.

I don't deny that wrongs have been committed by members of Scientology, but I'm sure not going to base my opinion of the entire organization and all the people involved on the actions of a few.

[edit on 3-7-2005 by anxietydisorder]

It's the Guardian Office.

By the way, I've actually held upper level memos in my own hands. One of which written by L.Ron Hubbard himself authorizing the use of "any means" deemed necessary by the individual in order to remove someone who was vocalizing or otherwise acting against Scientology. This was only one of thousands of memos I had access to. There is some nasty stuff in there. Don't doubt it.

Xenu, Clambake, what is this stuff? I won't bother reading this rubbish. It's about as credible as "The Weekly World News". These guys have long noses like Pinocio.

I know what Scientology is about, I worked there. I worked in the management structure, as well as the non-management organizations. I know the folks there who work diligently to try and better this world, they have a big job on their hands. I know their hearts. You attack these folks and you might as well attack all the good sumaritans of the world. You might as well slap the guy in the face, who helps the old lady across the street.

You really want to know what Scientology is all about, then you forget the lobsterbake, turtlebake, ratbake, or whatever non-sense and you pick up a real Scientology or Dianetics book. It will only cost a few bucks paperback. I could give you long winded explanations of what it is all about, but the books do it better than I do, plus you are getting it firsthand from the author himself.

This is an exact quote from "Scientology: A New Slant on Life" -

"Happiness and strength endure only in the absence of hate. To hate alone is the road to disaster. To love is the road to strength. To love in spite of all is the secret of greatness. And may very well be the greatest secret in this universe." - L Ron Hubbard

Much Love,
Troy

Originally posted by Incognita
By the way, I've actually held upper level memos in my own hands. One of which written by L.Ron Hubbard himself authorizing the use of "any means" deemed necessary by the individual in order to remove someone who was vocalizing or otherwise acting against Scientology. This was only one of thousands of memos I had access to. There is some nasty stuff in there. Don't doubt it.

EVERYONE has seen that memo from Hubbard, talking about his "Fair Play" policy. It's one of the most damning pieces of evidence against the Church, but it's not exclusive by any means.

Well any means necessary leads me to believe that scientology is a cult. Plus the fact that they charge money to "learn the secrets". Any info about freemasonry and scientology, sebatwerk? Like stuff like, can masons believe in it? Not meaning to steal from the thread or anything.

[edit on 5-7-2005 by 9890]

You're not taking from the thread at all. I sort of wondered about that a little earlier. I doesn't seem like there is any sort of conflict, but being neither a Scientologist nor a Mason, I'm not sure.

I've never heard of a Scientologist Mason, but does that mean it couldn't happen?

I'd like to hear sebatwerk's opinion on this too.

Ya anytime I have any questions about masons I usually refer to sebatwerks posts. Very informative. But I don't know if scientology mentions gods cuz I know from what sebatwerk says that a mason has to believe in one god.

You can't be a Scientologist without belief in "The Creator". They just don't get into any explanation about it.

That was what lead me to wonder. To me, it sounds like the criteria are met, but I don't really know.

Of course they don't explain anything, your not a millionaire But seriously what is the point of making someone pay for it? Last I heard that in order to reach OT-3 you have to pay 360,000 bucks. Now seriously, other than celebrities,who has that money. I've heard many people going broke trying to persue scientology

Smartypants!!

No, even if you do pay the big bucks, they still don't tell you much.

For the most part, the people I have talked to that have paid for the courses originally did it because they were interested in the books. From there, they continue because they feel that these 'tech' work for them.

But it is always much cheaper to practice outside the church.

Also, a lot of the price lists you see are the ones for the people with money, who can afford the very best.

Lots of Scientologists co-audit, which means they work through it with someone who is not a 'Specially Trained Auditor' (don't know what they are called).

[edit on 6-7-2005 by Duzey]

Well my opinion of scientology is that it was meant as a religion in a science fiction novel. Something Hubbard made up for a book then other people read about it then he had the idea of making money off of it. Or maybe someone just read his notes the wrong way and are now taking it to seriously. Thats just my opinion.

I think that he was just writing a 'self-help' book that combines a few different methods/religions, based on research he had done for his books. Self-help books are always popular, and I think lots S/F writers study those kinds of things. All of a sudden, people started going crazy over it, so he kept writing about it and it grew from there. The beginning of the Church was purely supply and demand.

The thing that intriques me so much about Scientology is that even the people that aren't part of the Church insist it works for them. One example I've seen is the OOBE technique. I've had very limited success in this area myself, due to fear of who knows what but what was interesting is when I read it, it was exactly the same thing I do.

Could you please elaborate on OOBE. I'm not to sure what that is. I didn't read the entire thread either in case it was mentioned there

OOBE-out of body experience aka astral projection

They really do have some neat stuff covered in the tech.

Hmmm I've heard of OOBE then. Is it only limited to scientology or does other "beliefs" talk about it?

OOBE's have been around for a long time, much, much longer than Scientology. At least 3,000 years. I don't really know all that much about the history of it, though.

Well sometimes many of my dreams feel like OOBE's. But whats really odd is when I think back on experiences that have happened to me. I see myself reliving that experience from the view of an onlooker not from the view of someone experiencing it.

Well, the state right before you fall asleep is the right place to be for an OOBE. I've never really tried to do it on purpose, and I probably wouldn't know what do when I got out anyways.

The only dreams I remember are the stupid recurring ones, but it is kinda cool knowing whats going to happen in advance.