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posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 12:02 PM

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Nice site.

Also, here are some other 'fort designs', they're pretty incredible, personally. (just links for most to save space and download time)

www.oswego.org...

www.archives.gov...

www.revwar.com...

www.neinfo.net...

This is from the cover of an Osprey series on forts, they allways do great jobs.

Vinci

posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 07:12 PM

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It can't be coincidental, it's too complicated to be so. I suspect all these forts, based on the same shape, have something in common.

sebatwerk

posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Vinci
It can't be coincidental, it's too complicated to be so. I suspect all these forts, based on the same shape, have something in common.

Uuuuhhhh.... yeah. Like Nygdan explained, this kind of design for a forty maximizes the coverage that shooters and cannons have from above, and they create intense "kill zones" by controlling the movement of enemy troops around the fort.

senrak

posted on Jun, 17 2005 @ 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by Vinci
It can't be coincidental, it's too complicated to be so. I suspect all these forts, based on the same shape, have something in common.

Exactly Vinci,

Glad you noticed. Kind of like the fact that all man-hole covers are the same shape.

Ever wondered why THAT is? Is it a coincidence? But of course...

..but it's not a conspiracy

Nygdan

posted on Jun, 20 2005 @ 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by Vinci
It can't be coincidental, it's too complicated to be so. I suspect all these forts, based on the same shape, have something in common.

Correct. That something in common is, defending the people inside the fort from armies outside it.

sebatwerk

posted on Jun, 21 2005 @ 01:40 PM

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This seems VERY interesting, I would LOVE to be able to go to DC to see this. It's an exhibition that examines the evolution of masonic architecture in our nation's capitol.

The tradition of Masonic architecture in the United States is grounded in a history far older than the establishment of this country. Many of this nation’s founding fathers were themselves Freemasons and the Masonic stamp is visible throughout the city of Washington, DC, the surrounding metropolitan area, and the entire country.

Featuring 20 original paintings by history painter Peter Waddell complemented by original Masonic artifacts, the exhibition will tell the story of the city’s design from a new perspective and shed light on the Masonic connections of many historic buildings in the nation’s capital. These paintings and objects will explain some of the secret symbols of Freemasonry and provide an understanding of how Masonic symbols were and are used as powerful symbols of this nation.

www.initiatedeye.com...

If anyone can make it out to DC for this, it would be great to get a report back here on ATS regarding what you saw.

Vinci

posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 03:24 AM

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Uh, well. I know the first "I want YOU" Uncle Sam poster had the compass mason thing at the top, above sam.

senrak

posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by Vinci
Uh, well. I know the first "I want YOU" Uncle Sam poster had the compass mason thing at the top, above sam.

Uh, well, apparently you just THINK that. Here's the first such poster and there seems to be no "compass mason thing" at the top. There's also no Masonic Emblem (i.e. the Square & Compasses) there either.

Here's the full site:

www.loc.gov...

Don't be afraid to search before posting such "facts" Some of the readers here are gullible enough to have believed you and might have spread such silliness....

Nygdan

posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Vinci
Uh, well. I know the first "I want YOU" Uncle Sam poster had the compass mason thing at the top, above sam.

What in the world are you talking about? Why would you make a statement like that and then not present anything to support it? The forts are intersting, because of the tendency to have a star shape, and this might seem masonic to some people, but, really, if you dig a little, you find out that its a basic and extremely pragmatic fort design.

www.initiatedeye.com...
The exhibition opens to the public on May 18, 2005 and remains on view through December 31, 2005

This would be a great thing for an atser to report on. Anyone in the DC area?

sebatwerk

posted on Jun, 22 2005 @ 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by senrak

Originally posted by Vinci
Uh, well. I know the first "I want YOU" Uncle Sam poster had the compass mason thing at the top, above sam.

Uh, well, apparently you just THINK that. Here's the first such poster and there seems to be no "compass mason thing" at the top. There's also no Masonic Emblem (i.e. the Square & Compasses) there either.

Don't be afraid to search before posting such "facts" Some of the readers here are gullible enough to have believed you and might have spread such silliness....

He's actually thinking of the masonic SPIN-OFF of the uncle sam poster, that read "Let's End All The Discontent, Elect a Mason President!" and had uncle sam, with the square and compass above him and the white house in the background.

Unfortuunately, he's confused and thinks this is the original uncle sam poster. He probably thinks that "Spaceballs" came before "Star Wars".

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2nd Hand Thoughts

posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 04:54 PM

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I've gotten interested in Washington's city planning and related designs. I'd never looked at a map of the city until recently. All these facts, theories, etc. are fascinating.

Does anyone know of an explanation or theory as to why the SW to NE street does not complete the pentagram?

sebatwerk

posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by 2nd Hand Thoughts
Does anyone know of an explanation or theory as to why the SW to NE street does not complete the pentagram?

Probably because it's not MEANT to be a pentagram. Duh. :bnghd:

intrepid

posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by sebatwerk
Unfortuunately, he's confused and thinks this is the original uncle sam poster. He probably thinks that "Spaceballs" came before "Star Wars".

It didn't? Man, you guys have all the relevent infomation.

2nd Hand Thoughts

posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by 2nd Hand Thoughts
Does anyone know of an explanation or theory as to why the SW to NE street does not complete the pentagram?

Probably because it's not MEANT to be a pentagram. Duh. :bnghd:

OK. I see you do not know of an explanation or theory.

Anyway, you seem pretty sure it ABSOLUTELY isn't supposed to be a completed pentagram. Did you talk to L'enfant? Seriously, all the other "points" are significant areas and were connected on purpose. The spots where they were built where chosen. Duh. I think it looks pretty goofy that a street just ends when surrounded by complete lines. Would a genius like L'enfant just do that for no reason? Geographical or otherwise?

These streets were laid out with purposes, such as the ignaugeration walk from the capital to the white house.

I'm not convinced there is some prophetic reasoning behind it all. Seems to me that the designer was artistic at the least. Everything looks so nice EXCEPT for the dead end. What gives?

For the truly "paranoid", maybe the evil one will order the street complete?

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sebatwerk

posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by 2nd Hand Thoughts

Originally posted Anyway, you seem pretty sure it ABSOLUTELY isn't supposed to be a completed pentagram. Did you talk to L'enfant? Seriously, all the other "points" are significant areas and were connected on purpose.

I just don't see what purpose a pentagram would've served. Also, it's not like L'Enfant, or anyone, expected people to be able to FLY to see it!

These streets were laid out with purposes, such as the ignaugeration walk from the capital to the white house.

The broad diagonal avenues were set up so that one could stand at the center of the city and see out in all directions incase of an invasion or attack. These are the streets that make up your "pentagram".

Everything looks so nice EXCEPT for the dead end. What gives?

OK, I see what you mean. I'm sure there is some good reason for it, maybe there was once a building there?

2nd Hand Thoughts

posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 08:33 PM
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sebatwerk

It's not "my" pentagram. A pentagram (though a bit squashed) is there, whether a "coincidence" or not. Like I said, I lean toward intelligent design
more than coincidence. The area was designed by a true artist and not some by-the-grid hack.

I'm keeping my eyes out for a logical explanation. Actually, I visited a small library today and got what I could find. I don't think I'll find much in there.

Actually, I'm interested in researching the Washington Monument as well. I tried to start another thread on it, but it didn't get far. There seriously isn't much about the Monument. I've requested a reprint of a book printed in 1921.

That thread is HERE if anyone wants to get some info going on the Monument. I'd like any comments or observations from people who've visited the structure before and after the last renovation and/or security and surveillance updates.

sebatwerk

posted on Jul, 15 2005 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by 2nd Hand Thoughts
It's not "my" pentagram. A pentagram (though a bit squashed) is there, whether a "coincidence" or not.

Fair enough.

I'm keeping my eyes out for a logical explanation. Actually, I visited a small library today and got what I could find. I don't think I'll find much in there.

Did you follow up on what I stated about the diagonal streets being there so all sides of the city could be viewed incase of an attack? You can find that in the Wikipedia article on DC's layout.

Actually, I'm interested in researching the Washington Monument as well. I tried to start another thread on it, but it didn't get far. There seriously isn't much about the Monument. I've requested a reprint of a book printed in 1921.

I Tivo'd a GREAT History Channel program on the building of the monument. I've actually watched it about 3 times. I'd be happy to answer any questions I can for you.

2nd Hand Thoughts

posted on Jul, 16 2005 @ 12:27 PM
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sebatwerk,

I have not yet looked at wikipedia. I have been looking at old maps online (library of congress). Try looking up Washington Monument there (wiki-), pretty crummy info.

The attack reason for planning doesn't seem unreasonable to me, but I haven't come across that yet.

I have found three things (two are frustrating):

1. What I have found is that L'Enfant was enamoured with Paris and the use of intersections (preferable rounded) with many axes.

2. The discrepancies between L'Enfant's original plans and early plans following his departure from the project (after about one year on the job) are hard to ascertain due to scarce resources online. I have found info that L'Enfant had planned more streets and intersections. It definitely is not in line with his design mentality to have "dead ends" on an axis that is so perfectly headed for one of his intersections.

3. At some point in the city's early history, there was a barracks/hospital at the exact spot where Rhode Island Avenue ends. It was the Sedgwick & Williams Barracks. Also, when the railroad was built, it did conflict with L'Enfant's earlier plans. Look at the symmetry around the Capital and anomilies created by Union Station.

(I will try to find a good map showing this if need be.)

PS: I became interested in the Washington Monument as a result of the same show you've seen three times.

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sebatwerk

posted on Jul, 16 2005 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by 2nd Hand Thoughts
I have not yet looked at wikipedia. I have been looking at old maps online (library of congress). Try looking up Washington Monument there (wiki-), pretty crummy info.

The attack reason for planning doesn't seem unreasonable to me, but I haven't come across that yet.

Here's the link to Wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org...

Regading the city's layout and its diagonal avenues, it says:

Washington, DC, was created to serve as the national capital from its inception. The original street layout was designed by Pierre Charles L'Enfant at the time of the city's founding. L'Enfant based his design on Paris, which incorporated a basic grid system, inter-cut with broad diagonal avenues radiating from circles and squares; according to a popular urban legend, the diagonal avenues also served as sightlines for the defense of the city in the event of an invasion.

You may also be correct about L'Enfant's use of Paris as his referece model. Paris' layout has actually been used in MANY cities throughout the world.

PS: I became interested in the Washington Monument as a result of the same show you've seen three times.

I like the masonic stuff they had in there, like the two guys in aprons and white gloves giving each other the grip, and showing the ritual of setting the cornerstone

wiggy

posted on Jul, 16 2005 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by senrak

Originally posted by Vinci
It can't be coincidental, it's too complicated to be so. I suspect all these forts, based on the same shape, have something in common.

Exactly Vinci,

Glad you noticed. Kind of like the fact that all man-hole covers are the same shape.

Ever wondered why THAT is? Is it a coincidence? But of course...

..but it's not a conspiracy

Manhole covers are round, because manholes are round....duh.

Seriously, the reason they are round, is this is the only shape that will not fall through a simularly shaped manhole.